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Romney/Ryan cancel Orlando stop. (Original Post) russspeakeasy Aug 2012 OP
No doubt. But isn't Florida friendly territory? bluerum Aug 2012 #1
Not with Ryan there! Curtland1015 Aug 2012 #3
Not when 1/2 of the ticket espouses dismantling Medicare and Social Security! Lex Aug 2012 #4
Their message is it will not affect any of the Florida retirees BlueStreak Aug 2012 #42
But retirees don't want their kids and grand kids screwed out of their Medicare andmedicade benefits bushisanidiot Aug 2012 #45
younger people just have to save bluemarkers Aug 2012 #56
You would think so. BlueStreak Aug 2012 #58
You got that right. My own mom is on disability, and gets by with that and her Marr Aug 2012 #73
And the real danger is that Ryan is not scary on a personal level BlueStreak Aug 2012 #74
The R & R trainwreck will effect Florida's Future.. riverbendviewgal Aug 2012 #49
The Florida papers have exploded over this pick. LOL nt Mojorabbit Aug 2012 #24
Exploded good, or exploded bad? calimary Aug 2012 #46
Here's a pic of todays Miami Herald: Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #54
Pah. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #83
Awe, the old people. I see a Ranowski (IL) moment all over again. LOL. southernyankeebelle Aug 2012 #28
It was the Gray Panthers. amandabeech Aug 2012 #72
Well they sure got the point in congress once they tried to change things for the elderly. southernyankeebelle Aug 2012 #90
I don't doubt it. n/t amandabeech Aug 2012 #91
here's the link CatWoman Aug 2012 #40
Ryan was PO'd that his name wasn't mentioned first. HubertHeaver Aug 2012 #2
I'm calling the ticket: RYAN/*romney. n.t progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #14
RMoney/RAyn? ahimsa Aug 2012 #71
I'm stealing that! backscatter712 Aug 2012 #92
Kinda hard to enter a state... CoffeeCat Aug 2012 #5
They can't help having to kill off old people eridani Aug 2012 #37
Like on 60 minutes wherein Mittens lies again Iliyah Aug 2012 #48
Wolf is the biggest shame & embarrassment CNN has. CrispyQ Aug 2012 #57
The local news showed the area where the rally was to be. russspeakeasy Aug 2012 #6
Up on a Cha Aug 2012 #21
Mitt doesn't like playing Bop-A-Mole Brother Buzz Aug 2012 #7
If Rmoney allows Death Panel Ryan to continue speaking, he'll push Florida to Obama easily. nt Selatius Aug 2012 #8
I heard Alan Grayson was there waiting for them. rgbecker Aug 2012 #9
I heard that Rmoney was going to go to Florida but Ryan is going to go elsewhere. Ryan better be jillan Aug 2012 #10
he's used to it from the videos I've seen.. the seniors are openly yelling at him. progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #15
I think poor old Romney is reeeeeally pooped out. He needs a rest. Getting to old lumpy Aug 2012 #11
See my signature line malokvale77 Aug 2012 #17
Welcome to DU goclark Aug 2012 #23
Thank you. malokvale77 Aug 2012 #84
Hey, a Mark Twain quote. I use it myself all the time. Welcome to DU. lob1 Aug 2012 #27
I took it from... malokvale77 Aug 2012 #85
You're correct! Turbineguy Aug 2012 #32
Back at ya... malokvale77 Aug 2012 #86
Welcome to DU! calimary Aug 2012 #47
Thanks... malokvale77 Aug 2012 #87
They don't need no stinking Florida! Lone_Star_Dem Aug 2012 #12
but this is where their base have their second homes! eom ellenfl Aug 2012 #18
Panic announcement after Andrea Saul's comments Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #13
Free republic feels Florida in the bag and now brilliant Romney is going after Wisconsin ribrepin Aug 2012 #22
Wait - what? Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #25
So...so...safe. Drunken Irishman Aug 2012 #51
Well according to one poster over there and now Romney's going after Wisconsin ribrepin Aug 2012 #70
What, a lot of seniors in Orlando? ananda Aug 2012 #16
They probably don't want to get questions about medicare and social security or get booed too soon. craigmatic Aug 2012 #19
LOL. They're asceered of the old folks. AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #20
This is my favorite regarding anyone irritating an elderly person... Frustratedlady Aug 2012 #39
OMG riverbendviewgal Aug 2012 #52
I live in this area - I wouldn't read too much into this change DrDan Aug 2012 #26
Just wondering why they would cancel ? russspeakeasy Aug 2012 #30
perhaps they already have those voters DrDan Aug 2012 #31
No way....we're talking old people, myself included, russspeakeasy Aug 2012 #34
depends on how they spin it - I live on this corridor DrDan Aug 2012 #35
Remember, the majority of voting assholes in Florida elected Scott and Rubio. jerseyjack Aug 2012 #43
Orange county went blue in 08 as did Osceola Mojorabbit Aug 2012 #66
I live in Volusia - I don't see that happening this election DrDan Aug 2012 #82
you have it backwards quaker bill Aug 2012 #88
blue in 2008 - my sense is red this year DrDan Aug 2012 #89
Those two are probably less welcome in Orlando than a LibDemAlways Aug 2012 #29
huh????? the I-4 is solid R DrDan Aug 2012 #33
In a state where 17% of the population is over 65, being LibDemAlways Aug 2012 #44
Thats my thinking too. russspeakeasy Aug 2012 #50
certainly going to depend on how they spin their SS and Medicare arguments DrDan Aug 2012 #81
It was.... jeff47 Aug 2012 #53
I live in the I-4 corridor and it is certainly not a solid R area. lovelyrita Aug 2012 #60
my sense is that will repeat this election - I live in Volusia DrDan Aug 2012 #79
I don't think it is Mojorabbit Aug 2012 #67
that was 2008 - I don't think that will repeat this election DrDan Aug 2012 #80
Doesn't Ryan have a date to kiss the ring Island Blue Aug 2012 #36
Just the ring? jberryhill Aug 2012 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author Katashi_itto Aug 2012 #38
Trouble in paradise?? This is the 2nd cancellation & Lyin's appt was announced just yesterday ailsagirl Aug 2012 #41
What? CrispyQ Aug 2012 #55
I hope you all right about the seniors Pakid Aug 2012 #59
I couldn't agree with you more. russspeakeasy Aug 2012 #62
the reason they picked Ryan DonCoquixote Aug 2012 #61
I just watched recount, looks like that's what they're tryin to do uponit7771 Aug 2012 #63
The purge is in full force. russspeakeasy Aug 2012 #64
Mitt remembers, the convention is in Florida Enrique Aug 2012 #65
LOL B Calm Aug 2012 #68
How can they be expected to stand up to dictators when they can't stand up to a town hall meeting? Initech Aug 2012 #69
Maybe because they fear a riot will break out and they'll get severally beatten davidpdx Aug 2012 #75
Miami is coming up...how are they going to avoid that? DonRedwood Aug 2012 #77
Good question davidpdx Aug 2012 #78
 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
42. Their message is it will not affect any of the Florida retirees
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 08:32 PM
Aug 2012

They say it will only bite people who are 55 and younger now. They rigged the budget plan that way on purpose, of course, for this very reason.

They are banking on the selfishness of retirees ("I got mine and I don't give a shit if you get yours" and the stupidity of the younger people ("Oh the Democrats are just using scare tactics. The Republicans aren't going to kill Medicare.&quot

And they may be right on both counts. That if what we will learn in the next 90 days.

I was with a couple of old farts this evening who were jolly about the Ryan pick. They were both on Medicare, of course. I think there are millions like this. That is our challenge.

bushisanidiot

(8,064 posts)
45. But retirees don't want their kids and grand kids screwed out of their Medicare andmedicade benefits
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 08:36 PM
Aug 2012

Seniors care about more than just themselves. They will not support Ryan's plan to destroy their kids benefits.

bluemarkers

(536 posts)
56. younger people just have to save
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 09:04 PM
Aug 2012

I'm trying to find the article from either WRAL or the N&O quoting a 72 year old voter - not concerned about her social security or health insurance plan - "mine won't be effected" she goes on to say everyone else will have to save more. Bless her stone cold heart.

It appears that version has been scrubbed. Gee whiz

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
58. You would think so.
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 09:06 PM
Aug 2012

My experience is that there are a whole bunch of them who buy into the right wing stuff, completely oblivious to the fact that they depend on Social Security and Medicare.

It is an uphill battle with that crowd. But fortunately, Obama starts from a position of strength and basically just needs to pick up 1% or 2% more to lock this thing down.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
73. You got that right. My own mom is on disability, and gets by with that and her
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 12:13 AM
Aug 2012

deceased husband's union pension and social security benefits. She's votes Republican and was quite excited by Ryan's inclusion on the ticket. When I told her Ryan's whole schtick is that he essentially wants to cut people like her off, she said, 'well, he seems to love America. Obama doesn't'.

Politics is completely separated from policy for a lot of these people. It's just another sporting event.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
74. And the real danger is that Ryan is not scary on a personal level
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 12:22 AM
Aug 2012

By all accounts, he comes across as a nice guy. It is very easy for older people, especially older women, to think "What a nice, handsome young man he is. And so polite."

This really seems to fall right into the definition of sociopath. It is like those mass murderers whose neighbors are quoted saying, "He seemed like a pleasant fellow. Mostly kept to himself. never caused anybody any problem."

I don't equate the Ryan budget literally with the crime of murder, although the consequences of that budget are much more far reaching than the actions of any serial killer who ever lived.

riverbendviewgal

(4,254 posts)
49. The R & R trainwreck will effect Florida's Future..
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 08:43 PM
Aug 2012

how many future retirees will be able to afford to have health insurance with those vulture vouchers and be able to retire in the Sunshine State?

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
28. Awe, the old people. I see a Ranowski (IL) moment all over again. LOL.
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 07:52 PM
Aug 2012

I can't remember how to spell his name but I was a young 20 yr old and all I remembered was see old people beating on his car. Anyone remember that? LOL, I remember laughing about it. I sure ain't laughing now. I will be getting Medicare starting Jan 1. I hope old people are opening their eyes.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
72. It was the Gray Panthers.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 12:06 AM
Aug 2012

They were a bunch of younger seniors and they were feisty!

Maybe you can start "The New Grey Panthers."

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
90. Well they sure got the point in congress once they tried to change things for the elderly.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 08:29 AM
Aug 2012

If the people in FL start paying attention and they do the same you will see things change.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
5. Kinda hard to enter a state...
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 06:20 PM
Aug 2012

...that has a large senior population--when you're entire ideology is based on killing them.

Gee. I wonder why they're skipping Florida?

OMG...this campaign is like a train wreck. They are so weak and so damaged from Mitt's last two months of utter failure--that they have to now live in a glass bubble where every interaction if glittery and full of rainbows. They know that any protest against them, any negative comments or anything less than pristine--will affect them.

I just heard on Fox News, that the reason Mitt announced Ryan now--is because Obama had created a gap that was widening--and the campaign felt that if Obama's numbers got any higher (and Mitt's sunk lower) that the situation would be unrecoverable.

They know they are still teetering on the brink of collapse.

They're playing it safe and only going to places that they consider easy.

This is just crazy. How do they expect to do well in a state that they can't even enter without a riot breaking out?

eridani

(51,907 posts)
37. They can't help having to kill off old people
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 08:14 PM
Aug 2012

We make such crappy soldiers, what with the osteoporosis and everything.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
48. Like on 60 minutes wherein Mittens lies again
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 08:38 PM
Aug 2012

and only asked softball questions? The corporate media won't confront Mittens nor Ryan but steadily on Pres O arse. Wolf on cnn constantly bashing anything Dems while kissing the gop's arses.

CrispyQ

(36,527 posts)
57. Wolf is the biggest shame & embarrassment CNN has.
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 09:05 PM
Aug 2012

He is completely biased & transparent, he cannot talk intelligently about anything if it he has to go off script, he thinks he's a great journalist & CNN has him hosting their flagship show.

russspeakeasy

(6,539 posts)
6. The local news showed the area where the rally was to be.
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 06:20 PM
Aug 2012

There were a few romney signs up and that was it.
It looked like a residential area where a candidate talks to "you people" in the comfort of your middle class home.

Brother Buzz

(36,469 posts)
7. Mitt doesn't like playing Bop-A-Mole
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 06:21 PM
Aug 2012

Romney shores up his base in Wisconsin only to discover angry Floridians popping up everywhere. Get used to it, loser.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
10. I heard that Rmoney was going to go to Florida but Ryan is going to go elsewhere. Ryan better be
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 06:41 PM
Aug 2012

ready for pissed off senior citizens all over the country.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
15. he's used to it from the videos I've seen.. the seniors are openly yelling at him.
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 07:10 PM
Aug 2012

they do not LIKE him one bit.

I don't really understand the appeal of the guy. In every vid of him, he comes off like a smarmy guy from accounting.. with his power point presentation, and the first thing he says is "cut entitlements." Period.

He has just zero warmth or soul.

lumpy

(13,704 posts)
11. I think poor old Romney is reeeeeally pooped out. He needs a rest. Getting to old
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 06:43 PM
Aug 2012

for this kind of exertion. Campaigning is harder than finding tax havens and counting the swag.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
85. I took it from...
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 06:31 AM
Aug 2012

Bette Davis, but she may have taken it from Mark Twain. I'm reading his autobiography now.
Thanks for the welcome.

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
12. They don't need no stinking Florida!
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 06:50 PM
Aug 2012

They're the Rolls Royce of Republicans! They say F-U to elderly leaches sucking up social services!

Damn, this is gonna go over well. Not!

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
13. Panic announcement after Andrea Saul's comments
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 07:00 PM
Aug 2012

followed by cancelling a campaign stop in a swing state that they need desperately.

Nah - nothing amiss here!

ribrepin

(1,726 posts)
22. Free republic feels Florida in the bag and now brilliant Romney is going after Wisconsin
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 07:40 PM
Aug 2012

Romney made a lot of money so they feel he is really smart even if they can't understand his reasoning. Then they jump to the conclusion that the campaign polling shows that Florida is safe and it's time to go after Wisconsin. I love it being a senior citizen and all.

ribrepin

(1,726 posts)
70. Well according to one poster over there and now Romney's going after Wisconsin
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 11:41 PM
Aug 2012

God speed Romney/Ryan...they seem to think Romney's very smart because he made so much money. The thread was about the disappointment that Romney didn't choose Rubio.

russspeakeasy

(6,539 posts)
30. Just wondering why they would cancel ?
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 07:57 PM
Aug 2012

I understand that they are going to campaign in St. Augustine; why cancel Orlando.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
31. perhaps they already have those voters
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 08:01 PM
Aug 2012

why waste time with those in the bank

just a guess - the I-4 corridor (around Orlando) is pretty solid R - St Augustine perhaps not so much

russspeakeasy

(6,539 posts)
34. No way....we're talking old people, myself included,
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 08:03 PM
Aug 2012

and social security. They don't have that wrapped up, yet.

 

jerseyjack

(1,361 posts)
43. Remember, the majority of voting assholes in Florida elected Scott and Rubio.
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 08:34 PM
Aug 2012

That two don't have seniors' best interests.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
66. Orange county went blue in 08 as did Osceola
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 11:18 PM
Aug 2012

I was really surprised he canceled here. I live in Orlando.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
88. you have it backwards
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 07:12 AM
Aug 2012

St Augustine is reliably red, a bit less reliable than the Villages, but still quite reliable. Orlando and the surrounding county went blue by a large margin in 2008, and was not a base of support for Scott in 2010. We will put Alan Grayson back in congress by a significant margin in 2012.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
89. blue in 2008 - my sense is red this year
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 07:23 AM
Aug 2012

and, though I wish not true, no way is Grayson going back to congress

You could be right about St. Augustine, however. Not really sure about the politics there.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
29. Those two are probably less welcome in Orlando than a
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 07:54 PM
Aug 2012

child molester would be at Disney World. In choosing Ryan, Romney has conceded Florida.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
44. In a state where 17% of the population is over 65, being
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 08:35 PM
Aug 2012

anti Medicare and Social Security is not a winning formula. Those seniors are reliable voters and they pay attention. A fair number are going to be disinclined to support anyone who wants to tamper with their income and medical care. Granted, there are rock-ribbed Rs who will foolishly vote against their own self-interest. But, when push comes to shove I don't think the majority will vote to screw themselves - or their kids and grandkids.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
81. certainly going to depend on how they spin their SS and Medicare arguments
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 06:09 AM
Aug 2012

Seems as though Romney is going to distance himself from Ryan's plan

lovelyrita

(241 posts)
60. I live in the I-4 corridor and it is certainly not a solid R area.
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 09:10 PM
Aug 2012

In 2008 the following counties all went for Obama: Hillsborough, Osceola, Orange, and Pinellas. Sadly the county where I lived did not (Polk).

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
79. my sense is that will repeat this election - I live in Volusia
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 06:07 AM
Aug 2012

Do you see Orange going D this year? I sure don't.

Island Blue

(5,819 posts)
36. Doesn't Ryan have a date to kiss the ring
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 08:10 PM
Aug 2012

of Sheldon Adelson tomorrow in Vegas? I read that on a DU thread earlier today (so it must be true. )

Response to russspeakeasy (Original post)

CrispyQ

(36,527 posts)
55. What?
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 08:58 PM
Aug 2012

You make your awaited VP announcement & then cancel a stop at a key location?

These guys are definitely not ready for prime time!

Pakid

(478 posts)
59. I hope you all right about the seniors
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 09:07 PM
Aug 2012

I am 58 my wife is 54 won't be 55 until next year and a cancer survivor. We have spent a lot of years buying our own insurance Thanks to Obama we no longer have to worry about being canceled. Of course Mitt/Ryan will do away with the ACA first thing assholes that they are and the next step will be to pass Ryan nasty budget plan and more than likely take away my wifes Medicare in the future. I maybe safe but that won't stop me from fighting for all the one who will not be. Health care for all should be the law of the land only in America do we have so many stupid people who vote against not only their own best interest but also everyone else"s best interest. Sure hope the senior don't put the shaft to the rest of us. But in America one never knows. Read a articles a little bit ago that said there was only one political party in the world who was against universal health care and that would be our very stupid Republican party.

russspeakeasy

(6,539 posts)
62. I couldn't agree with you more.
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 09:32 PM
Aug 2012

I think the reason people vote for those cowards is because it's easier than thinking for themselves.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
61. the reason they picked Ryan
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 09:31 PM
Aug 2012

Is because Rick Scott and his gangsters think they can purge Democratic voters off the rolls. However, instead of Rubio, who could have handed him Florida on a plate, they picked the one guy that can scare seniors, which would make it harder to explain all the chicanery they plan to do to make a false win,

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
75. Maybe because they fear a riot will break out and they'll get severally beatten
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 12:44 AM
Aug 2012

I'm sure they found some rich donor's house to go to instead.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
78. Good question
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 02:11 AM
Aug 2012

The events will probably be closed to the public. I mean why would they want anyone else to hear what they are saying?

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