House With a Clock in Its Walls tops box office as Fahrenheit 11/9 fizzles

[lunamagica]

Eli Roth’s foray into kid-friendly thrills and chills appears to be paying off.

The horror maestro’s big-screen adaptation of The House With a Clock in Its Walls is on track to earn an estimated $26.9 million in ticket sales at 3,592 theaters in the U.S. and Canada from Friday through Sunday, slightly exceeding expectations and easily topping the box office. Meanwhile, three other new releases — Fahrenheit 11/9, Life Itself, and Assassination Nation — are struggling to draw audiences.



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Fahrenheit 11/9, the latest documentary from Michael Moore, will debut in eighth place with an estimated $3.1 million, from 1,719 theaters. That’s a long way from the $23.9 million managed by Moore’s 2004 film Fahrenheit 9/11, which ultimately became the highest-grossing documentary ever with $119.2 million. On the bright side, 11/9 has received solid reviews and an A CinemaScore.

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Eight place? BOMB.

But I don't know what Moore expected. Republicans will never see his work. Bashing Democrats, Obama and Hillary so close to the midterms? Yeah, that will get Democrats to flock to see this movie. The timing of this release makes one (at least it makes me) suspicious of his motives.

The only ones I see cheering and praising this film are the Sarandon-types, the bros...well, let them make this a hit. Obviously, their numbers aren't big enough to deliver. But that seems to be his audience now.

ETA: Couldn't he have waited a few weeks, and release it after the midterms?

[Fred Sanders]

1. For a documentary that attempted a nation wide rollout not favoured for documentaries, not bad.

Top 15 all time:

"While that opening still ranks in the top 15 highest openings for documentaries, other Moore films that have been released on similar screen numbers have performed better. The largest was the 2004 film “Fahrenheit 9/11,” which opened to $23.9 million on 868 screens and is still the highest grossing documentary of all-time with $119 million domestic."

Still lots of time for word to spread it is an anti-Trump film...90%...the rest is making some folks uncomfortable.

[lunamagica]

2. The prediction was that it would earn between 5 to 8 million on its opening wk, so yes, it's bad

[Cha]

17. Michael Moore Liar.. and I hope it fucking bombs.

Link to tweet

"In new film, Michael Moore compares Trump to Hitler. And he's not so crazy about Obama, either."

"I've come to the conclusion that the old guard of the Democratic Party is a greater roadblock to social progress than Trump"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/09/07/new-film-michael-moore-compares-trump-hitler-hes-not-so-crazy-about-obama-either/?utm_term=.77221405d03e

"trump is comparable to hitler", but it's the Democratic Party(old guard).. Like John Lewis?.. that is the roadblock. He's an idiot.. and so Full of Shite.

[George II]

41. It opened in 1719 theaters, grossed $3.1M, that's a paltry $1803 per theater.....

It's a "documentary" fraught with fiction.

[Eliot Rosewater]

77. Fucker, I used to really like him, fucker.

[PoorMonger]

3. Honestly Trump Fatigue...

Is a real thing. For me , I see enough coverage of that turd every day. I feel like right now on the occasion that I go see a film it’s a lot about getting a breather and some entertainment that has nothing to do with him...

[lunamagica]

5. Yet Fear: Trump in the White House was the fastest selling opener in Simon & Schuster's history

[JI7]

6. even omarosas book is doing well

[lunamagica]

7. Right. There's no fatigue for trump bashing. There is fatigue for Dem bashing

[joshcryer]

36. Exactly. This is why Our Revolution lost across the board.

Even as they spin their mediocre showing as "winning."

Even as Jeff Weaver literally wrote a book entitled "How Bernie Won."

[Jamaal510]

58. +1

[PoorMonger]

9. Also promises dirt..

Which is infinitely more appealing than a navel gazing prognosticating of an election two years gone...

[JI7]

11. dirt on trump

[PoorMonger]

12. Missing my point.

The Trump dirt promised in tell alls is more appealing than an opinion piece of a doc. Which in my view is what Moore does.

To put it another way, Moore doesn’t break any news or really give the viewer new information. He only interprets known info to make a point he thinks is important

[lunamagica]

13. But you are missing the point that there is no trump fatigue

[PoorMonger]

16. Lol really.

I did say that it was true for me. I know that’s anecdotal but it can be true also.

You are right also, that plenty of the potential audience is super pissed at Moore for being seen as a ‘both sides’ shit stir

Both of those things can be valid points

There are always a lot of reasons why a film of any type does well or falls short of expectation

[PoorMonger]

8. Well sure.

Fear promises entirely different things than the Moore doc.

Fear is about insider knowledge of the Dump WH. Something people are hungry for.

Whereas 11/9 is a look back at a tragedy that was one of the most painful events in American history. Who really wants to dwell on that when there is work to be done in midterms ?

[lunamagica]

10. I believe if Moore had stuck to bashing trump and exposing the Russian interference

he could have had a hit.

IMO, it's the Dem bashing that killed this movie.

[dalton99a]

51. +1. He should have done a "Trump Is Hitler v2.0"

instead of a "Trump Is Hitler v2.0 But By The Way That Guy Obama Didn't Do Much"

[Gothmog]

94. Why did RBG do so well?

[LostinRed]

4. Moore is an douche

He said Obama wouldn’t win then he said Trump would and he pats himself on the back as some sort of sage. He just loves to bash anyone as long as it lines his pockets

[ehrnst]

15. +1000.

[Cha]

19. Thanks! You have Michael Moore's number.

[Gothmog]

75. Attacks on Democrats and the Democratic party are not amusing

[ADX]

14. Moore's film is quite good...

...Yeah, he takes issue with Obama for not doing enough to resolve the Flint crisis and he calls Clinton out for ignoring the Midwestern states during the run-up to the election but as I posted in another thread, I still left the theater feeling angry and energized for November and beyond.

And by the way, I'm hardly a "bro" or a "Sarandon-type", so there's that.

[Cha]

18. Michael Moore is a Liar.. so there's that..

Link to tweet

"In new film, Michael Moore compares Trump to Hitler. And he's not so crazy about Obama, either."

"I've come to the conclusion that the old guard of the Democratic Party is a greater roadblock to social progress than Trump"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/09/07/new-film-michael-moore-compares-trump-hitler-hes-not-so-crazy-about-obama-either/?utm_term=.77221405d03e

"trump is comparable to hitler", but it's the Democratic Party(old guard).. Like John Lewis?.. that is the roadblock. He's an idiot.. and so Full of Shite.

[sheshe2]

23. Thanks for correcting the record, Cha.

I have no use for Michael Moore.

[Cha]

26. You're Welcome, she! Thank You for being

one who recognizes BullShit when they see it!

[CanSocDem]

124. High school cheerleaders.

In temperament, behavior and comprehension.









.

[JHan]

39. except she didn't "ignore the mid western states" and he was wrong about Obama.

Clinton was all over PA and still lost PA. She was in Michigan.

Some journalists had the temerity to be surprised at Hillary talking about investment in rural areas, specifically the Midwest, after the election- they acted like she never talked about it before when she did - almost TIRELESSLY during 2016.

Also really think about this: Are people influenced by what they see on facebook and on social media or what they hear when attending a campaign rally? Exclusive: Russian-linked Facebook ads targeted Michigan and Wisconsin

Even the Chelsea Wedding slander had an impact: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/04/did-the-clinton-foundation-pay-for-chelseas-wedding/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.de0f1c3ad8db

[betsuni]

78. +1

[JHan]

79. it's 2018 and we still gotta be fighting fake narratives

it's so goddamn exhausting.

[betsuni]

80. Thank you for doing it, it must be done.

Propaganda works.

[JHan]

85. The lies annoy me big time..

The lies are baked in media narratives and just repeated without a second thought.

Sanders lost the primary in places he campaigned in the south, Hillary lost PA even though she was all over that State ( and Ohio), Trump campaigned in VA and Colorado but still lost those states. I could go on.

But all we hear is "Hillary didn't campaign in Wisconsin" as a reason she didn't win - in fact it morphed from just WI to "Hillary didn't campaign in the midwest" which is the meme Moore is selling. To this day you have people talking bullshit about "Hillary didn't have a plan for the midwest" - yes she did, ridiculous plans. #FedUp

[Cha]

20. Good! It couldn't happen to a more well deserved

Liar and RF.

Gracias, Luna!

[lunamagica]

21. IKR, Cha?

[Cha]

24. May it continue on that path.. We are in the vital 2018

Midterms.. no time for Moore's BullShit.

[lunamagica]

27. Right! We need to support DEMOCRATS. The weeks leading to these crucial mistetms is not time

to criticize...it is time to work and WIN!

[Cha]

28. This is what Moore's big stupid mouth had to say about the Democratic Party in the WaPo..

"In new film, Michael Moore compares Trump to Hitler. And he's not so crazy about Obama, either."

"I've come to the conclusion that the old guard of the Democratic Party is a greater roadblock to social progress than Trump"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/09/07/new-film-michael-moore-compares-trump-hitler-hes-not-so-crazy-about-obama-either/?utm_term=.77221405d03e

"trump is comparable to hitler", but it's the Democratic Party(old guard).. Like John Lewis?.. that is the roadblock. He's an idiot.. and so Full of Shite.

[lunamagica]

33. "I've come to the conclusion that the old guard of the Democratic Party is a greater roadblock to

social progress than Trump"

But that's not bashing Democrats...and what better way to motivate people to vote?

[Cha]

34. Exactly, Luna.. it it is Disingenuously Bashing Dems.

[NurseJackie]

22. Good!

[Cha]

29. I know.. At least there's

that!

[R B Garr]

68. Absolutely! Double plus good.

Great news to see people rejecting the divisive propaganda.

[sheshe2]

25. ooopsie

[betsuni]

30. If the movie's about how we ended up with Trump but Russia's never mentioned...

There are many good books out now about what really happened, maybe people think it a better investment to spend time and money reading.

Moore seems to have overestimated the audience for such a movie. His predictions that Trump will get a second term, might be the last president: no, Trump is not an evil genius, he did not outsmart us, Republicans do not have "the courage of their convictions." Seems to me that watching this movie would be like listening to two hours of mansplaining.

[Me.]

32. No He Didn't Outsmart

he did what he always does...CHEAT

[Cha]

96. Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9 sold about 45 tickets per theater last night.

Comment found on The Obama Diary after someone posted.. they "wouldn't see it if it were free!"..

Neither would I. Heard a caller (female) on Stephanie MIller’s show late last week. She had seen it on Wednesday. What she said is exactly what all of us expect. He really goes after President Obama and the Democrats……..lots of blame on them for Trump.

Stephanie has been doing commercials for it often because I’m sure he’s bought time on the Progressive Radio stations. Stephanie handled it well, easier since she hasn’t seen it yet. She stressed, as she always does, this is NOT the time to blame and pick ‘sides.’ This is the time to stick together and get this done. This morning, Tom Perez was on her show and she mentioned it to him. He, too, handled it well. He moved on to more important topics. I hope it continues to be a big flop!

https://theobamadiary.com/2018/09/24/thanks-vegas/

M. Moore must really hate Mueller's Russian Investigation and all that's been revealed.

Jane Mayer was very busy this weekend - yes, the Russians stole the election for Trump

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11172146

[betsuni]

101. Thanks for the Jane Mayer link! I hadn't seen that.

I'm reading her book "Dark Money" now.

[Cha]

104. Cool! You're Welcome, betsuni.. Check out

Sid's pic of M. Moore and Assange in the thread.

[betsuni]

108. I saw that.

They look cozy.

[Cha]

110. Don't they? And best buds.. you saw where ASSange

had a tweet leaked or something.. which is nice irony.

He said ".. it would be much better if the gop won in 2016.."

[Gothmog]

125. Great article

This film was a major failure

Democrats did not appreciate Moore’s lies about President Obama and the Democratic Party

[Me.]

31. Well Now That He Has 3.1 Mil

Maybe he'll pay some bills

[Scurrilous]

35. LOL

Michael Moore Accused of Stiffing, Smearing Vendors: ‘All I Would Like Is to Be Paid’

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"In early June, Boston Light & Sound, Inc. filed a lawsuit against Moore’s Traverse City Film Festival. In the claim, BL&S stated that a total payment of $256,500 had been due by September 30, 2017, for their work on the 2017 film festival. “TCFF paid a $100,0000 deposit towards the Contract Amount on July 12, 2017,” legal docs claimed. “BL&S performed all of its obligations pursuant to the contract. However, since the 2017 film festival, TCFF has only paid an additional $2,000 toward the outstanding balance owed.” That brings the alleged balance down to $159,055.

Chapin Cutler, the President of Boston Light & Sound, a 13-year Film Fest collaborator, “said his 2017 contract with Film Fest, totaling $256,500, was comparable to past contracts and pricing has not changed,” the Traverse City Record-Eagle reported. In April 2018, Michael Moore revealed that the Traverse City Film Fest “ran a rare deficit last year.”

<snip>

"Boston Light & Sound further alleged that, “On April 24, 2018, BL&S sent letters to TCFF requesting payment of the contract balance. However, rather than paying the contract balance, or any part thereof, in response to demand letters, TCFF attempted to avoid fulfilling its contractual obligation and the debt incurred by threatening to distribute false and defamatory stories to harm BL&S’ good name and business relationships.” The Traverse City Film Festival has denied these allegations.

In legal documents, the Traverse City Film Festival has countered, saying that the “budget” that BL&S attached to their claim is an “estimates for services, and does not constitute a ‘contract’ as alleged by BL&S… TCFF did not enter into a ‘contract’ with BL&S as alleged, and therefore has not refused to pay an outstanding contract balance.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/michael-moore-accused-of-stiffing-smearing-vendors-all-i-would-like-is-to-be-paid

3.1 million first weekend take on a film w/ a budget of 6 million...I doubt these guys will see their money anytime soon. If at all.

[Tarheel_Dem]

37. You're right. Republicans were never gonna see this "film", and he's lost a good number of....

Democrats with his "both sides are the same" bullshit. I wouldn't walk as far as my next door neighbors to see a MM flick. Fuck him.

[lunasun]

38. Assassination Nation sounds the best of all 3 struggling for tickets

Nothing against Moore's fiilm, or Life Itself, but they both sound so much like nothing I'm interested in seeing

https://m.

[klook]

126. I saw the trailer. It's very violent and

there's a fair amount of gratuitous female teenage skin exposure. Not for me.

Katie Walsh's review in the LA Times ("'Assassination Nation' is exploitative horror that has the gall to lecture us on grrrl power," 9/20) confirms my suspicions.

[George II]

40. FYI:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-house-a-clock-walls-eyes-20m-fahrenheit-11-9-falters-1146144

Weekend Box Office: 'House With a Clock in Its Walls' Zooms to $27M; 'Fahrenheit 11/9' Tanks With $3M

[lunamagica]

46. The bros aren't showing up, or perhaps their numbers have been dwindling

[oberliner]

42. So DU is anti-Michael Moore now?

[lunamagica]

43. DU is anti-Dem bashing

[oberliner]

47. Is Michael Moore not a Dem?

[lunamagica]

48. AFAIK he is an independent

[oberliner]

49. Probably right

But he did say he voted for Hillary!

[lunamagica]

50. A lot of good that did after pushing the idea that the primaries were stolen from Sanders

"the primaries were rigged in favor of Hillary, but vote for her" No wonder so many weren't "inspired" to vote

[ADX]

44. Apparently...

...Seems like he's now "the enemy".

I don't get it.

[lunamagica]

45. Maybe this will help

"I've come to the conclusion that the old guard of the Democratic Party is a greater roadblock to social progress than Trump"

Does that make it clearer to you?

[Cha]

57. Michael Moore wants you to "Embrace trump"...

“But I think we have to embrace Trump,” Moore said in the interview. “People reading this will say, ‘What do you mean? Embrace Trump?’ But we have to embrace him. We have to listen to him. He’s telling lies, and he’s telling the truth at the same time"

From the WaPo intro.. "Moore argues that Barack Obama and the Dems share the blame with trump for the state of state of the country."

"No. I'm against hope,” called back Moore. “Hope was back then with Obama. I'm for a generation of action."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/09/07/new-film-michael-moore-compares-trump-hitler-hes-not-so-crazy-about-obama-either/?utm_term=.77221405d03e

MM.. So fucking bitter.. while Barack and Michelle are out there GOTV

Link to tweet

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[Cha]

55. Obviously Moore has his fans on DU.. I'm not one of them..

he's a liar and a divider.

[Raine]

61. Michael Moore definitely went

under the bus.

[AnnieBW]

52. I Just Saw It

I just saw it. Probably about 8-10 people in the theater, on a Sunday afternoon in the DC suburbs when both the Redskins and Ravens were playing. It wasn't his best film. It kind of jumps all over the place. He gets into some 9/11 Trutherism at one point. And yes, he does call out Obama for his stunt with the water at Flint, and afterwards sending the Army in to destroy empty buildings in the name of "practicing urban warfare". He also tells the truth that a lot of us here have been saying - like how Bernie won all of these states that later nominated HRC at the convention, etc. It's quite a lot to take in. However, it is hopeful, in that he interviews several people running for Congress as Dems, like Ocasio-Cortez, Talib, etc., who are challenging the establishment. He also shocked the hell out of me when he played a tape from a candidate in Colorado who was actively dissuaded by Steny Hoyer (my former Congresscritter, until our district moved to Anthony Brown).

[Cha]

56. Michael Moore is Liar and a Divider.. and he wants you to "Embrace trump"..

Moore is the one who blows stunts..

“But I think we have to embrace Trump,” Moore said in the interview. “People reading this will say, ‘What do you mean? Embrace Trump?’ But we have to embrace him. We have to listen to him. He’s telling lies, and he’s telling the truth at the same time"

From the WaPo intro.. "Moore argues that Barack Obama and the Dems share the blame with trump for the state of state of the country."

"No. I'm against hope,” called back Moore. “Hope was back then with Obama. I'm for a generation of action."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/09/07/new-film-michael-moore-compares-trump-hitler-hes-not-so-crazy-about-obama-either/?utm_term=.77221405d03e

MM.. So fucking bitter.. while Barack and Michelle are out there GOTV

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[Tarheel_Dem]

59. Since he flopped, maybe he'll go somewhere and sit his sloppy ass down somewhere.

My message to MM:



Cha!

[Cha]

60. Nah, unfortunately MM will just be up for some

Moore RF. He's done it since 2000.

This is what he had to say about President Obama in 2014.. Is it any wonder I and so many Democrats can't stand him?

Michael Moore calls Obama a ‘huge disappointment’

<Moore continued: “When the history is written of this era, this is how you’ll be remembered. He was the first black president. OK, not a bad accomplishment. But that’s it. That’s it, Mr. Obama. A hundred years from now, (it’ll be noted that) he was the first black American that got elected president. And that’s it — eight years of your life and that’s what people will remember.”>

https://nypost.com/2014/09/11/michael-moore-calls-obama-a-huge-disappointment/

BULLSHIT "..that's all what people will remember about President Obama". That's what Moore wishes.. ain't gonna happen.

Moore is a HUGE Disappointment.. Always Whining his Freaking head off about President Obama

"Embrace trump" my Democratic

Tarheel

[Tarheel_Dem]

62. MM took on the wrong one, when he went after Pres Obama, who is probably the most popular...

political figure on the national stage. Moore loves to tear down Democrats because Republicans in the WH are much more profitable for him (well, at least they used to be).

[betsuni]

63. +1

[BumRushDaShow]

69. Hey Cha

That Philly appearance was at the Dell. If I hadn't have pulled a muscle in my leg, I would have loved to go!

Link to tweet

TEXT
Elena Saltzman @ElenaSaltzman

This is how Philly welcomes @BarackObama to the City of Brotherly Love and Sisterly Affection 💙 #PAVotesBlue
5:21 PM - Sep 21, 2018 · Dell Music Center

[Cha]

83. I know you would have Loved to have been there, BRDS!

Sorry, about your leg.. bummer! Hope it's better now..

Obama! Obama! Obama! Obama! Obama!

Link to tweet

Mahalo for this Tweet!

[JHan]

106. You mean caucused states , caucuses kept him competitive

Bernie lost. It's an insult to the democratic base to insinuate otherwise yet Moore perpetually does this. Bernie was trounced and was no way near as competitive as say Clinton vs Obama in 08, yet we heard ridiculous calls for a contested convention in 2016.

his characterization of Obama's handling of flint is a cheap shot.

Further the establishment vs progressive dichotomy is a canard. The differences between most Dem candidates, particularly in blue districts , amount to very subtle gradations in policy. Often the differences also point down to strategy. When he smeared Tom Perez, who has strong labor bona fides when it comes to civil rights, as an old establishment stooge It was just further confirmation that Moore is a destructive force that will wreck anyone he sees outside his clique. If at this stage in his life he can't correctly identify who the real enemy is he is part of the problem.

False equivocations and disinformation are major reasons why we have trump and Moore contributes to this nonsense.

[betsuni]

115. +1

[JHan]

128. Again, why this gotta be explained in 2018. There was the barest difference between:

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HRC setting the minimum wage at $12.00/hr, with incremental increases tied to GDP and inflation; and Sanders setting the current minimum wage to incrementally increase to $15.00.

But we gotta hear nonsense about "establishment".

The.Bullshit.Must.End.

[Gothmog]

53. I am glad Moore's movie is doing poorly

Attackimg the Democratic Party and President Obama are dumb moves

[Scurrilous]

54. ...

[NurseJackie]

64. In two more weeks, the "11/9" DVD will be available in Walmart's bargain bin.

[WeekiWater]

65. Moore, by way of his own actions, has seriously limited his viewing base.

The narrative of his movie and persona has taken on the role of conspiracy theorist and propaganda artist. The "connect the dots" model of storytelling works on a good amount of people and Moore knows that. Moore is sixty-four years old and has spent a long time boxing himself into a corner. At this point it's hard for him to stand for many things and much easier for him to simply be against almost everything.

I like Moore but he isn't what he once was.

[ehrnst]

66. I think American may be over the Millionaire "marxist." (nt)

[Devil Child]

70. Michael Moore isn't a Marxist

But I believe America has been over him for a while now.

[ehrnst]

76. I was referring to this tweet

Link to tweet

?lang=en

[Algernon Moncrieff]

67. A 3.1M opening for a "documentary" is solid

< 2000 screens isn't a huge number. It's about $1,500 a screen, which is OK.

[lunamagica]

72. The prediciton was for 5 - 8 million for its opening wk, so it's not OK. Far from it. It is a flop

[Algernon Moncrieff]

81. The prediction was likely based on Trumps unpopularity and past Moore films

The problem is that most people consume documentaries on Netflix or Amazon now. That wasn't the case in 2006.

As a genre, these are about the only thing cheaper to make than horror flicks. It should still make money.

[lunamagica]

91. Moore could have released diretly it to Netflix or Amazon, but he didn't. It was a theatrical

release, so its success -or lack thereof- is measured by box office performance.

It opened in 1719 theaters, grossed $3.1M, that's a paltry $1803 per theater. I'm sure that's is not what MM was expecting and hoping for.

I disagree that a well-made documentary which managed to capture people's interest wouln't do well in theaters, But MM made a mistake by alienating the Democratic base and thinking that the hard-core left wouild be big enough to deliver a hit for him. That killed the movie.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

92. I'm a Moore fan and I'm waiting for Netflix or Redbox.

....unless Marvel superheroes were somehow worked into the 2016 election or there's an unexpected car chase sequence. That's all I'll pay to see on a big screen.(Ok, I saw Besa:The Promise on a big screen, and it's a great documentary, and it had no car chases)

It opened in wider release than most of his other films, and it's the 15th best documentary opening ever.

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=documentary.htm&sort=opengross&order=DESC&p=.htm

It's a better opening than, for example, Won't You Be My Neighbor, which has gone on to make a chunk of change.

If you don't like Moore, that's cool. You do you. Whether you like his views on the Democratic party or not, he highlights issues of interest progressives generally.

[lunamagica]

93. Cool acnecdotal evidence. It's not about liking or nor liking Moore, the numbers speak

for themselves.

Variety

‘Fahrenheit 11/9’: Why Michael Moore’s Trump Doc Bombed


And yet, other documentaries are having a moment this year. “RBG,” the feature on Supreme Court justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Fred Rogers’ pic “Won’t You Be My Neighbor,” and “Three Identical Strangers,” which follows triplets who were separated at birth, accomplished a rare feat with each racking up double digits. It definitely helped that those uplifting titles all served up some much-needed entertaining subjects for these dreary times.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/%E2%80%98fahrenheit-11-9%E2%80%99-why-michael-moore%E2%80%99s-trump-doc-bombed/ar-AAAAxO4?li=BBnb7Kz&pfr=1

[Hekate]

102. I saw the RBG and Fred Rogers documentsries, and loved them both. Yes they are uplifting. nt

[lunamagica]

103. They sound interesting. I need to check them out

[George II]

127. At an average ticket price of $12, that's 150 per theater over three days - 50 per showing.

[Owl]

71. Looking forward to seeing it.

[Gothmog]

74. You better hurry, this was a bomb

[Gothmog]

73. 'Fahrenheit 11/9': Why Michael Moore's Trump Doc Bombed

Moore's attacks on Democrats and the Democratic Party are not amusing https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/%E2%80%98fahrenheit-11-9%E2%80%99-why-michael-moore%E2%80%99s-trump-doc-bombed/ar-AAAAxO4?li=BBnb7Kz

Michael Moore’s trump card failed him this weekend.

“Fahrenheit 11/9,” Moore’s satirical takedown of President Trump and the current political landscape in America, picked up an abysmal $3.1 million when it opened 1,719 venues.

[Cha]

82. Why Michael Moore's Trump Doc Bombed

And yet, other documentaries are having a moment this year. “RBG,” the feature on Supreme Court justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Fred Rogers’ pic “Won’t You Be My Neighbor,” and “Three Identical Strangers,” which follows triplets who were separated at birth, accomplished a rare feat with each racking up double digits. It definitely helped that those uplifting titles all served up some much needed entertaining subjects for these dreary times.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/%E2%80%98fahrenheit-11-9%E2%80%99-why-michael-moore%E2%80%99s-trump-doc-bombed/ar-AAAAxO4?li=BBnb7Kz&pfr=1

Thanks, Goth.

[Gothmog]

84. Good films are not having a problem

Bad films are having problems

Moore attacked the Democratic Party and should not be surprised when real Democrats boycott this bad film

[Cha]

87. And, Moore says "We should embrace trump".. with that kind

of whacked thinking it would be ridiculous to take him seriously.

“But I think we have to embrace Trump,” Moore said in the interview. “People reading this will say, ‘What do you mean? Embrace Trump?’ But we have to embrace him. We have to listen to him. He’s telling lies, and he’s telling the truth at the same time"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/09/07/new-film-michael-moore-compares-trump-hitler-hes-not-so-crazy-about-obama-either/?utm_term=.77221405d03e

[Tarheel_Dem]

86. Sounds like MM has some real soul searching to do. Republicans already hate him, and now he's....

managed to turn off everyone but the most hardcore leftists. It breaks my heart.

[Gothmog]

88. I am amused that M. Moore believed that this film would be popular

Moore is in denial as to his popularity and in denial as to the stupidity of attacking the Democratic Party. Attacking the Democratic Party was a dumb move

[Tarheel_Dem]

89. It's just a sad and pathetic continuation of the narrative he began forming in 2000. Finally, it...

appears to be wearing ever so thin.

[Gothmog]

90. Moore was wrong in 2000 and is totally wrong now

Moore’s support of Nader was disgusting and wrong. Moore’s attacks on President Obama are also totally bogus. Moore is paying the price for his stupidity and arrogance

I am not surprised that this film was a bust.

[betsuni]

105. Damaging his reputation as a documentarian by spreading misinformation

that the primary was rigged and Obama wanted to poison people and Hillary ignored the midwest and so on was massively dumb.

Ironically, objections to "criticisms" of Democrats based on lies are met with cries of "Why do you think Democrats are perfect? Lock step, circular firing squad, cheerleading, hive mind, censorship, blind allegiance, echo chamber, the truth hurts ..."

Dumb.

[Cha]

95. Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9 sold about 45 tickets per theater last night.

Comment found on The Obama Diary after someone posted.. they "wouldn't see it if it were free!"..

Neither would I. Heard a caller (female) on Stephanie MIller’s show late last week. She had seen it on Wednesday. What she said is exactly what all of us expect. He really goes after President Obama and the Democrats……..lots of blame on them for Trump.

Stephanie has been doing commercials for it often because I’m sure he’s bought time on the Progressive Radio stations. Stephanie handled it well, easier since she hasn’t seen it yet. She stressed, as she always does, this is NOT the time to blame and pick ‘sides.’ This is the time to stick together and get this done. This morning, Tom Perez was on her show and she mentioned it to him. He, too, handled it well. He moved on to more important topics. I hope it continues to be a big flop!

https://theobamadiary.com/2018/09/24/thanks-vegas/

M. Moore must really hate Mueller's Russian Investigation and all that's been revealed.

Jane Mayer was very busy this weekend - yes, the Russians stole the election for Trump

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11172146

[lunamagica]

97. That's pathetic, Cha. Yet some can't admit it is a true BOMB

[Cha]

99. Aloha, Luna.. I had the wrong link for the "Russians stole the election for trump"..

edited!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11172146

Yes, it is pathetic and pure ratfuckery how he's trying to depress the vote right before the 2018 Midterms.

[melman]

98. Kyle Smith?

Kyle Smith from the National Review? Nice one.

[Hekate]

100. The Obama Diary is very much in our corner, just so you know, and there is a ref back to ...

...another DU post. Have no idea who Kyle Smith is, but I do know about The Obama Diary. Recommend you read the entire post.

[melman]

107. You have no idea who Kyle Smith is?

Well I do. He's the movie critic from the National Review


here's his twitter bio




formerly of the NY Post, and a complete and total rightwing asshole.


Now you know.

[betsuni]

109. I think people who don't read conservative news sources like the National Review wouldn't

be familiar with their movie critics.

[melman]

111. lol

You might want to read that again. Surely you meant to say people wouldn't be familiar.

I know this because otherwise there's no insult directed at me, and posting history tells me that couldn't be deliberate.

Now, on to the matter at hand: Is there or is there not a rule against linking to right-wing sources?

Yes, in fact there is. End of discussion.

[betsuni]

112. Yes, typo.

There was no link to right-wing sources. The Obama Diaries is not right wing. Oh, melman.

[Hekate]

113. Thanks for supporting my point. nt

[betsuni]

114. That was more stretching than an Olympic gymnast.

[Cha]

116. l oh oh.. I posted a tweet found on the Obama Diary

You're right.. I had no idea who the movie critic for the NR is.. why would I? I don't read it.

Thanks betsuni!

[betsuni]

119. Cha, you've been unmasked, your true identity exposed for all to see. FINALLY.

YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN, admit it! You should be ashamed of yourself! Your diabolical plot to foist Kyle Smith on us has been foiled.

(again, just in case )

[Cha]

120. Busted! I tried to slip one in on ya'll.

but melman to your rescue!

Nooooo! Honestly I don't read the NR.. I had no idea who Kyle, the "rwinger" Smith is!

I promise I'll never do it again!

[betsuni]

121. We neoliberal-centrist-establishment-conservadem-anti-progressive paid shills MUST

keep our identities secret so we can continue to troll Democratic boards by supporting Democrats. I cannot stress this enough.

Take heed. DON'T DO IT AGAIN. Thank goodness melman keeps our feet to the fire.

[Cha]

122. lol.. yeah, everybody needs to have their feet

to the fire then.. too bad it doesn't work that way for some.

[betsuni]

123. LOL. End of discussion because you were wrong.

[Cha]

118. Thanks Hekate! I had no idea who Kyle Smith is.. so

Miss Innocent here posted the tweet. I just deleted it though.. 'cause all it said was Moore got about 45 seats per movie.. the main point was the Comment on the Obama Diary.

[Cha]

117. I deleted.. it really didn't do much to make my point anyway.

Yeah, I don't read the NR.

[George II]

129. Are you serious? A substantive post in which Kyle Smith isn't even mentioned, but....

....in one of the two links he made two short tweet comments in a LONG thread of more than 100 responses on The Obama Diary, and that's what you zeroed in on?

REALLY? To quote you, "Nice one "

[Blue_Tires]

130. It's a shame that MM has lost the plot because I was once a huge fan

Link to tweet

It's goddamned 2018 -- Nobody is trying to hear that Greenwaldian "BUT IT'S THE DEMS WHO ARE THE **REAL** ENEMY!!!" -bullshit... The stakes are too high and for people of color this is literally a matter of life and death.

[Hortensis]

131. Same here. But very early on we didn't have the internet,

archconservatives were a worry but not yet seen as an existential threat, and I just didn't see his constant conflating of Democrats with all of America's problems as as poisonous and destructive to public confidence as it is. It's always been part of his message. Frankly, I guess I just gave him a pass and blew it off. After all, we're not perfect, yada yada.

Now I know that, in spite of Moore's talent and ability to care about things I do, there's something very wrong with him that, like Trump in fact, requires him to twist and ignore truth in order to feed his wired-in points of view. He's a type, very typical of many on the far left, with a permanent "anti-Democrat" warp to their orientation.

I don't doubt Moore really believes Obama told Flint parents it was okay to feed their children poison water, or at least did when he said it; it's part of the pathology. If Trump dropped a nuclear bomb on Los Angeles, the Michael Moores of this world would know it was really the Democrats' fault and rush to share their wisdom and condemnation with the world.

[betsuni]

132. I agree.

I particularly liked his book "Stupid White Men," and the TV show he did in the 90s. But as you say, it's goddamned 2018, not the 90s. Blaming Democrats for everything is what ... um ... stupid white men do. MM should know this. It's a shame.

[NurseJackie]

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