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****BREAKING**** Democrats jump out to twelve point lead in A- rated WSJ-NBC poll (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2018 OP
Democrats must win in November. GOTV! dalton99a Sep 2018 #1
K & R Iliyah Sep 2018 #2
Good news leftynyc Sep 2018 #3
I think it's mostly Kavanaugh. bearsfootball516 Sep 2018 #5
the Kavanaugh effect robbedvoter Sep 2018 #4
There's a potential dark side to this. cab67 Sep 2018 #15
Republicans being kicked out of power forever has no "dark side"! And by righteously angry women! Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #17
Last week a poll expert (Can't remember his name) talked about the previous poll of a 10 point PearliePoo2 Sep 2018 #6
A four point generic ballot advantage gives us a 50/50 chance of winning the House. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2018 #11
538 says we only have a 1 out of 3 chance to win senate Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #16
Better than the inside straight Shitler pulled off...closer to hitting a flush on the river? Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #18
Silver gave Trump a 28% chance of winning in his final forecast. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2018 #34
But a 5 in 6 chance of taking the House whopis01 Sep 2018 #28
I was referring to the House. I am not aware of a formula for the Senate. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2018 #33
Considering how large number of seats the Dems are defending, that's John Fante Sep 2018 #35
Head for the showers Thugs. lpbk2713 Sep 2018 #7
One fact that's lost in here is that 35 percent of young voters say they're interested in midterms. bearsfootball516 Sep 2018 #8
You're right! That's very significant. PearliePoo2 Sep 2018 #12
All the more reason to work even harder this fall... Wounded Bear Sep 2018 #9
Was there a follow up question PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2018 #10
Yay, get out the vote! Rizen Sep 2018 #13
I passed out voting registration cards 9 years back at a local parade in Vantucky, WA... Hulk Sep 2018 #22
K&R Scurrilous Sep 2018 #14
We need this super-majority to break the hackers' hold FakeNoose Sep 2018 #19
"feel good news"..... Hulk Sep 2018 #20
"This particular type of poll is insignificant to me, as "all races are local", DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2018 #39
Awesome News! NickPeace Sep 2018 #21
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2018 #23
That's nice, but do these numbers even correlate to taking control? aikoaiko Sep 2018 #24
Falls to 8 points when we talk about likely voters Azathoth Sep 2018 #25
Right jcgoldie Sep 2018 #26
Love to hear about good-news polls , but packman Sep 2018 #27
Yes, but GET TO THE POLLS AND VOTE !!!! sueh Sep 2018 #29
Six more weeks of Trump making things even worse for Republicans. That 12 point gap needs to widen. Doodley Sep 2018 #30
prediction.. lots of Trump rallies with focus on NFL players and MS13 Demovictory9 Sep 2018 #31
I love it NastyRiffraff Sep 2018 #32
Same poll has Trump at 44% approval and GOP gaining in enthusiasm Awsi Dooger Sep 2018 #36
This DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2018 #37
I'm looking forward to the day ... lpbk2713 Sep 2018 #38
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
3. Good news
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 09:39 AM
Sep 2018

I wonder what's causing the jump - Kavanaugh-Mueller racking up songbirds-just General disgust at the inability of this administration to go a week without being caught in a lie?

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
5. I think it's mostly Kavanaugh.
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 10:23 AM
Sep 2018

Mueller has gone quiet, working from the background recently. But Kavanaugh is overwhelmingly unpopular and the Republicans trying to ram him through is only going to hurt them in midterms.

cab67

(2,993 posts)
15. There's a potential dark side to this.
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 11:55 AM
Sep 2018

This could, ironically enough, give Republicans ammo to ram his appointment through. They were facing a blue wave before Kavanaugh; pressing forward might not cause enough additional damage to make a difference.

Not saying I want Kavanaugh to be appointed; only repeating what I heard someone say yesterday.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
6. Last week a poll expert (Can't remember his name) talked about the previous poll of a 10 point
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 10:25 AM
Sep 2018

preference for Democrats in Congress was borderline for taking control of the Senate.

However, he said that if that number was to increase to 11 or 12 percent, those are numbers that could flip the Senate.

He also said, "look for the trend."

Well, guess what folks? WE ARE 'EFFING THERE!!

K&R



DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
11. A four point generic ballot advantage gives us a 50/50 chance of winning the House.
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 10:42 AM
Sep 2018

With every point over that our chances increases.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
34. Silver gave Trump a 28% chance of winning in his final forecast.
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 03:44 PM
Sep 2018

3-1 to 4-1 underdogs win 33 1/3 % and 25% of the time.

whopis01

(3,514 posts)
28. But a 5 in 6 chance of taking the House
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 01:31 PM
Sep 2018

Sure the Senate is only a 1 in 3 chance. But when you look at what has to happen, it is amazing it is that close.


There are 35 Senate seats up for elections.

To remain in control the Republicans have to win 8.

To gain control the Democrats have to win 28.

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
8. One fact that's lost in here is that 35 percent of young voters say they're interested in midterms.
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 10:33 AM
Sep 2018

That may not sound like a lot, but for a demographic that historically doesn't vote AT ALL in midterms, that's stunningly high.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
12. You're right! That's very significant.
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 10:49 AM
Sep 2018

Young voters typically turnout at about 25% so that's a 10% increase! (btw...1 in 4 voting is pathetic imo)

Come on kids, get off your phones for an hour and go get your ballots!



PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,858 posts)
10. Was there a follow up question
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 10:40 AM
Sep 2018

asking whether the respondent planned to vote specifically for the Democrat (or Republican) actually running for Congress in that district? Who they were going to vote for if they had a Senate race to consider? Especially in those races where an incumbent Republican is running, the follow-up question is hugely important.

No one actually votes for control of Congress. They vote for specific candidates. And incumbents win something like 90% of the time.

Rizen

(708 posts)
13. Yay, get out the vote!
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 11:07 AM
Sep 2018

I'm a millennial who's been voting since I was 18. Meaningful Democrat votes. It's frustrating how few young people care about politics.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
22. I passed out voting registration cards 9 years back at a local parade in Vantucky, WA...
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 12:30 PM
Sep 2018

...and I was stunned at how many people "took pride" in admitting they had NEVER voted, and didn't intend to start now. This country is chuck full of idiots and stubborn fools. I didn't bother arguing with anyone. I was accused of being a "Democratic tool", but I had to inform them, EVERYONE was able to register to vote in whatever party, or no party, if they so chose.

I'm so frustrated by ignorance and stubborn pride at being stupid in this country. I'm 70, and I've been aware of this since I started traveling the world when I was a very young man. It's sad. I don't think it's gotten better since then.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
19. We need this super-majority to break the hackers' hold
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 12:05 PM
Sep 2018

We all know the hackers will be meddling like crazy, but they can only make a difference when a county/state has a very slim difference. When it's an overwhelming difference (like 10-12% would be) there's nothing they can do.

We need both the House and the Senate to make these RWNJ creatures gone.



 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
20. "feel good news".....
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 12:26 PM
Sep 2018

Like everyone else, I like looking at polls that have the progressive movement taking over the federal, state and local elections; but I have been burned before, and so have you.

This particular type of poll is insignificant to me, as "all races are local", and this generic type of brush doesn't necessarily translate into taking over the House or Senate.

I'll be so glad when this is all over, and we can reflect back on the polls and see if they were in fact accurate or just more smoke screen to influence turn out.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
39. "This particular type of poll is insignificant to me, as "all races are local",
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 06:06 PM
Sep 2018
If you’re interested in how the 2018 midterm elections will go, you may want to keep an eye on the generic congressional ballot, one of the best tools for predicting how many U.S. House seats each party will win.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/heres-the-best-tool-we-have-for-understanding-how-the-midterms-are-shaping-up/



BTW, the national polls were well within the margin of error:


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html



There was correlated error in state polling.


S--t happens.

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Azathoth

(4,609 posts)
25. Falls to 8 points when we talk about likely voters
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 12:38 PM
Sep 2018

Still a solid advantage, but the pattern remains. As in every single election cycle, it's the Democratic-leaning voters who are least likely to show up.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
26. Right
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 12:41 PM
Sep 2018

They were talking about this on face the nation. It all depends on Dems getting out the vote. If you take away the people who say they are going to vote but have not voted in any midterm going back all the way to 2010, then the house still looks like an even split.

Demovictory9

(32,456 posts)
31. prediction.. lots of Trump rallies with focus on NFL players and MS13
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 02:23 PM
Sep 2018

lots and lots of dog whistling to the base

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
32. I love it
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 02:27 PM
Sep 2018

but I'll love it even more when we get out the vote and show up in massive numbers in November, more than enough to overcome what the Republicans will surely do to suppress the vote.

Whatever we do, we can't get complacent. Let's work like we're 12 points behind.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
36. Same poll has Trump at 44% approval and GOP gaining in enthusiasm
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 05:52 PM
Sep 2018

I have to say the combination does not make sense. Democrats do not have a 12 point generic lead in a real world with Trump up to 44% and GOP voters catching up in terms of midterm enthusiasm.

Obviously this won't be popular but the most recent trends are not as favorable as a few weeks ago. Trump approval has slowly ticked upward to 41.2% on 538 when it was down to 39.9% briefly.

I would be thrilled with an 8 point generic edge in the actual voting. But we need something to happen to push Trump's approval back toward 40 and not upward to 42. Things like that may seem inconsequential but some posters here were ignoring Hillary's drop from 82% to 65% in 2016. That's an entirely different world in terms of probability.

There are going to be dozens of razor tight house, senate and governorship races. To win more than our share we need Trump as low as possible.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
37. This
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 06:02 PM
Sep 2018








Also, FOX found the Democratic advantage going from + 6 to +7 when going from registered to likely voters which is the opposite of what WSJ-NBC found. Their poll had Dems going from +12 to + 8 when going from registered to likely voters.

And as the parties realign with the Dems becoming the party of urban and suburban professional and college educated America and the Repubs becoming a rural party of high school or lower graduates we will be the ones with the high propensity voters.

lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
38. I'm looking forward to the day ...
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 06:05 PM
Sep 2018



when the rethuglican party will just be asterisk in the history books.

Thanks Trump. At least you were good for something.

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