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There is so much truth to this, I don't know where to start....so wrong, so entitled....Meanwhile the woman/girls life is forever changed with no concern, she was an object strictly for his pleasure. Makes me sick!
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)The only conclusion to be drawn is that anyone speaking in this way puts no value on women. Except as sexual objects.
as i see it 007
(11 posts)In 1994, Trump raped a 13 y/o girl, and caused her to develop PTSD.
The pain of reliving the rape every time she saw him on TV or heard his name, caused her to sue him in 2016, hoping to prevent his election.
She filed a sworn complaint in court, which if false, carry legal penalties.
She also filed 2 sworn statements from two witnesses supporting her charges, these also if false carry legal penalties. One was an eyewitness, and the other was a friend she told about the incident when it happened.
When he raped this 13 y/o girl, Donald Trump told her, she would be killed if she told anyone. Stormy Daniels was also told something similar if she talked about her affair with Donald. The pain this child felt hearing all the time about Trump is what finally caused her to open up about the rape after 22 years.
She filed her claim under a court assigned pseudonym because of her fear. Because the claim was anonymous it could not be verified by the MSM, so they did not write stories about it.
On the day her lawyer was to introduce her to the news media, the lawyer's website was hacked and the live stream of the press conference was taken down. The Lawyer received the message "Hahahahaha."
When combined with the threats, against her and her family including bomb threats, Katie (the pseudonym) was "terribly frightened" as her lawyer announced when the news conference was canceled. Katie was in the office when the website was attacked and saw nothing could be done to stop it.
Two days later Katie withdrew her charges and has not been heard from since.
Given the fact, Donald Trump pays off women who have dirt on him, and his documented ties to the mob; we can only hope Katie is on some tropical island paradise where the name Donald Trump is never mentioned, and not in the Meadowlands swamp of New Jersey.
Could someone please re-post this as an OP, since I can not yet do so. If you want to repost this anywhere or forward this to the news media, you have my permission to do so. I supported Donald Trump in 2016 as a religious Christian, and now know I was conned. Thank you
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)If you do, I suggest that you find an article from a reputable media source and link your post to that article.
Welcome to DU, and this conversation.
as i see it 007
(11 posts)Since this is based on original research there is no single media source I can quote. As I said I supported Donald Trump in 2016 because I am a Christian. I believe a woman has the right to chose until the "Quicking" which historically has been considered to be the beginning of the possession of "individual life" by the fetus. Her decision only affected her until the would-be baby had a life of its own. Three or four months seemed to be enough time for a woman to decide if she was ready to have a baby. Of course, there would be no time limit in the case of rape, incest, or the mental and physical health of the mother.
Like almost all Americans, I thought the rumors of the Trump rape of a 13 y/o child to be crazy, impossible and just dirty politics. When I was a young 15 and 16 y/o boy, I would go on a date to the pool and grab a "quick feel" as I would play with my date in the pool. So I was also guilty of groping and thus could not judge Donald Trump and his sins since I also shared in them. Therefore, I supported him as the more moral choice.
Then Stormy Daniels told her story, and out of curiosity, I started to research the rape charge.
Original Court Documents:
California case which was dismissed because of a filing error
Complaint
http://thememoryhole2.org/s/1-Complaint-385c.pdf
Dismissal
http://thememoryhole2.org/s/6-In-Forma-Pauperis-Order-n5ht.pdf
New York Case was withdrawn
Complaint
http://thememoryhole2.org/s/1-Complaint-and-related-docs.pdf
Request for order of protection for plaintiff
http://thememoryhole2.org/s/4-1-Jane-Doe-Declaration.pdf
Declaration in support of order of protection from witness 1
http://thememoryhole2.org/s/4-2-Tiffany-Doe-Declaration.pdf
Declaration in support of order of protection from witness 2
http://thememoryhole2.org/s/4-3-Joan-Doe-Declaration.pdf
Events surrounding Press Conference of Donald Trump's Rape Accuser
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-rape-case-2016-11
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/alleged-child-rape-sexual-assault-donald-trump-victim-jane-doe-statement-lisa-bloom-a7394516.html
https://www.thewrap.com/lisa-boom-lawyer-hacked-anonymous-donald-trump-rape-accuser/
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)As to the rape story, we can all see what happens when a female accuses a powerful white man of sexual assault.
The powerful white male is given the benefit of the doubt because he, of course, denies that anything happened.
The female, or male, accuser, on the other hand, has her/his motives questioned, and background investigated, and the accuser is often further victimized by the media and social media.
iluvtennis
(19,871 posts)TomVilmer
(1,832 posts)... but I could find no real updates, and there does not seem to be any real evidence.
https://theslot.jezebel.com/the-woman-who-accused-trump-of-raping-her-at-13-just-dr-1788603598
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)and rumors. Over the last 2 years, I have come to believe this story 100 percent.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)I don't know much of it all and thanks for your research.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)that it is true.
PunkinPi
(4,878 posts)(some snips)
Throughout my life, I have felt so attuned to mens feelings that sometimes I prioritized them over my own (all the sex I didnt want but had anyway) either to make those men feel better or to protect myself from their wrath; sometimes both. How to soothe them without making them feel emasculated is a balance I never quite nailed. Girls are the ones who are supposed to care about boys feelings, boys opportunities, boys lives. But are boys taught, in return, to care about ours?
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Perhaps some #MeTood men and their defenders also believe that their alleged crimes were minor too, if they were crimes at all. At least, they were too minor to warrant anything so severe as an admission of guilt, or an apology, or a proposed commitment to self-betterment let alone professional or criminal consequences. Theyve pitted their pain from being accused directly against the pain of the women accusing them, and its clear whose pain were expected to care about more. I feel sorry for a lot of these men, wrote Michelle Goldberg in the New York Times, but I dont think they feel sorry for women, or think about womens experience much at all. Put another way, by writer Heather Havrilesky: [C]ruel men believe they deserve redemption and eventual exaltation simply because they've suffered. Imagine if women believed that. Imagine if a woman's suffering were even a passing concern.
If somebody can be brought down by accusations like this, then you, me, every man certainly should be worried, a lawyer for the White House recently told Politico, in response to the Kavanaugh allegations. Perhaps hes right. Every man should at least be actively sifting through their past experiences to figure out if theres anything they should be worried about, anything for which they might seek redemption. I have a feeling that some of my strongest memories of discomfort and pain at the hands of boys and men are memories of mine, and mine alone. I still remember that crawl space near my best friends bedroom, and what happened there. Does the boy who pinned me down remember it, or has that morning blended into the fog of his every other sunny teenage summer?
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But those girls kids at the time too they all grow up. We grow up. And we remember.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/shannonkeating/brett-kavanaugh-me-too-brock-turner-sexual-assault
Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)Thank you!
PunkinPi
(4,878 posts)Duppers
(28,127 posts)Thanks for posting these snips from the article.
PunkinPi
(4,878 posts)hope all is well with you.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)niyad
(113,553 posts)Tursiops
(89 posts)He's really pushing that crap.
CrispyQ
(36,512 posts)If you're a single woman who's had sex before, or if you're a woman who had a drink, then you deserve what you get, slut. That's pretty much the GOP view on the topic.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Wheres the awareness that girls and women have lives and we want to be safe!! We want justice!!
Solly Mack
(90,787 posts)cab67
(3,007 posts)Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)Sickens me as well....
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WhiskeyGrinder
(22,432 posts)said these exact words verbatim.
Tursiops
(89 posts)Dude, lets see how long someone would last if they generalized about other groups. It's ok only when we refer to males.
(I'm not being critical of the person who posted it. It's just a steady tendency in memes to do this)
But I am also open to the idea that all men are pigs and there is no such think as good men.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Ann Coulter today disparaged the victim today as it being a long time ago.
More than a few women on her tweet supporting that position.
Neanderthal misogyny, while definitely heavy leaning on the male side is not restricted to any sex, but a horrendous, outdated, patriarchal culture that has been part of society for thousands of years.
Better education, and teaching everyone how to use critical thinking in determining how their own enculturation is driving their own shitty views and treatment of women VICTIMS is driving the shitty excuses they make to defend and support those deserving of only condemnation and punishment for their actions.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)is worthy of mention. No comment
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)"A deep-seated but perpetually unmet need to to be taken seriously that manifests as juvenile outbursts of contrarian soundbites."
(I think it was Scott Kaufman.)
milestogo
(16,829 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)Mother's who work, stay home or do both are sacred, imo.
How many men in the Republican Party have a clue about women who work to free themselves of explaining expenditures to their spouse? I've actually heard some white men say that women must bear more children to keep the "white" majority in power.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)Rec
mythology
(9,527 posts)But things do seem to be slowly changing. Not soon enough for far too many victims, but as long as we keep pushing it will continue to change.
relayerbob
(6,555 posts)they just want to lock the bastard up
RainCaster
(10,914 posts)I know too many women who have lived through such abuse.
betsuni
(25,618 posts)MarianJack
(10,237 posts)...that any boy or man that sexually assaults or rapes a girl or woman is a total slime. They need to go get a Penthouse magazine and jerk off if they're horny and they need to have their balls cut off if they want to perpetrate violence on her.
RESIST!