Michael Moore believes 'evil genius' Trump will be a two-term president

[steve2470]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/16/entertainment/michael-moore-fahrenheit-11-9-donald-trump/index.html

Michael Moore believes President Donald Trump is an "evil genius" who will be re-elected.

The documentary filmmaker spoke to CNN while promoting his upcoming film about the impact of Trump's 2016 victory, "Fahrenheit 11/9."

"Too many people in the summer of 2016 were so sure Hillary [Clinton] was going to win, saying no one is going to vote for this idiot," Moore said. "He could win again. I operate as if he is a two-term Trump. I have to. If you think any other way you are guaranteeing that whoever is going to run against him will lose."

Moore's explanation to the phenomenon of a Trump presidency?

"I think the man is an evil genius and he was able to outsmart the smartest person ever to run for president," Moore said. "He figured out how to win by losing the election. How did that happen? Historians are going to deal with this for years to come."


Sorry, Mike, I cannot agree.

[qazplm135]

1. he always predicts we will lose

eventually if you always do that, you will be right.

[Blue_true]

38. He sure does. Honestly, to me, he comes off as a serious neurotic.

I have real issues listening to him.

[MFM008]

39. Im as done with him

As Sarandon.

[qazplm135]

96. I think there is a qualitative difference between the two

I think he doesn't actively try to destroy Democrats, but he does have the same belief that Dems must veer far left.

[marylandblue]

2. I think his point is not to underestimate Trump

Underestimating him is how we got here in the first place.

[tymorial]

11. For me it isnt so much that we underestimated Trump

We underestimated the ability of foreign actors to manipulate our election process and the ability to defend/react to those attacks. Without manipulation Trump wouldn't be president. Hell you take away Facebook and Twitter and he president. If the FBI hadnt screwed Clinton in October, Trump would likely not be president. Trump certainly participated in the Russian schemes but he benefited from Comey's idiocy.

In my opinion we underestimated the "kingmakers." The president is an idiot.

[marylandblue]

27. Regardless of what factors actually helped him

They will all still be in play in 2020. And while he is idiot in every way that counts for governing, he is brilliant at manipulating the media and stirring up the worst instincts of the masses.

Underestimating your enemy is a good way to give him another point of advantage.

[True Dough]

78. Fair points, marylandblue

Moore may be seeking to motivate liberals to GOTV. Either way, he's not to be written off. Several of his predictions, including Trump winning, were dismissed by many in the last election. Alas, Moore was right on almost every count.

[MissMillie]

95. I don't think it's just the foreign actors

The purging of voter rolls, the voter ID laws, and the gerry-mandering of districts plays a big part of this as well. Trump's role will be to continue to load the federal courts with judges that will support these tactics.

[Meadowoak]

80. Yep, we were overconfident in 2016 and underestimated trump. A lot of people stayed home

Because they were sure Hillary was going to win. Every vote matters.

[tymorial]

3. Evil yeah. Genius?

You put anything in front of trump that is beyond a middle school level and Trump will need a translator.

[LakeArenal]

19. Idiot Savant?

Well it’s at least half right, right?

[tymorial]

20. Savants have some skill that is impressive and amazing.

If lying counts then sure

[LakeArenal]

22. Half right means the idiot half not the savant half.

[BootinUp]

4. How is that kind of negativity helpful Mike?

[John Fante]

5. Moore WANTS Trump to win re-election.

Last edited Sun Sep 16, 2018, 02:07 PM - Edit history (1)

Trump is good for business, and for a wealthy white man like Moore, that's all that matters. He got his tax cut, he can afford to shit on Democrats and sell Trump as an 'evil genius'.

[comradebillyboy]

43. You may be on to something...

[bearsfootball516]

54. Yeah, Trump is good for Moore's brand.

When Trump is president, it allows Moore to stir stuff up and increase his own name. When a Democrat is in office, no one really cares about him.

[ProudLib72]

6. I predict Rump will be a four term tyrant

Here's how I arrive at that conclusion:

1. Mid-terms go badly for the Rs, but not so badly that they can't ram through more legislation
2. Rs pass a bill doing away with term limits for presidents
3. The next three presidential elections are rigged by Russia
4. Rump reigns until he dies of old age
5. Nobody stands up to Rs, and they effectively institute a monarchy through family succession
6. Don Jr is 'president' till he dies of old age

And that's how bad it is folks. It's super bad. We might as well just give up now.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

15. That's absurd

There's zero chance of term limits being lifted.
No party has the votes or guts to try it.
Then, it would have to ratified by the states, which ain't happening.

And even if all that somehow happened, there isn't a chance in hell Uday gets elected to anything.

This is paranoid thinking on the level of Dems saying Bush was going to cancel the 2008 election or conservatives saying Obama would do the same in 2016.

[ProudLib72]

50. And that's why I was answering Moore's claim with my own sarcastic claim

is interchangeable with

[roamer65]

18. The repeal of 22nd amendment takes 38 states for ratification.

If anyone tries to circumvent that process, the republic is finished...DONE.

Secession will occur.

[Generic Brad]

34. His arteries say otherwise

His poor eating habits and inability to handle the stress of his position will result a heart attack or stroke before he gets a crack at another term. I am no longer worried like I was about two years ago.

[GulfCoast66]

58. You win the inter tubes tonight!

Brilliant with the smiley devils head but not the sarcasm thingy!

And of course, you had takers.

[ProudLib72]

61. MineralMan gets credit for equating smiley devil with sarcasm thingy

And his post made the local news!

[jalan48]

7. We were too overconfident in 2016. Hopefully this doesn't happen again.

[uponit7771]

23. Or we were cheated?!??

[jalan48]

28. Both. It should never have been close.

[uponit7771]

36. That happens when there's cheating, thinks are closer than they should be

[fishwax]

8. he's just warning against overconfidence, as he did in 2016

That was his message in 2016: trump is going to win, unless we get to the polls and get our friends to the polls and so on.

[shanny]

12. Annnnnd he was right about that,

as too many seem to overlook.

[marylandblue]

31. It's Cassandra's Curse

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandra

[shanny]

40. +1

[still_one]

16. No, he is a negative, divisionary asshole.

[USALiberal]

64. Wrong again! Nt

[still_one]

65. oh right. Right before the midterms, let's try to demoralize the Democrats

and while we are at it we can slur a few of them while we are at it.

Was he wrong in 2000 when he said a vote for Gore is a vote for bush?

I guess you didn't hear him at the WOMEN'S UNITY MARCH, trying to divide DEMOCRATS.

Now he is out saying the NY Times OpEd is a big conspiracy only to distract.

He also believes that the NYTimes OPEd was planned by trump. What he is effectively saying is that the NY Times, which knows the identify of the OpEd, is being duped by him, and this is only a ploy to distract.

He is also saying that Woodward is being duped.

Gee, Mike, everyone is getting fooled but you

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/michael-moore-donald-trump-nyt-oped_us_5b9eaab4e4b046313fbc24f0

What a brilliant distraction, to not only confirm by multiple sources that trump is incompetent, but that he is a danger to the country.


Moore, understand this, THAT IS NOT A DISTRACTION, THAT THE PRESIDENT IS UNSTABLE. That is what is happening

[Cha]

72. You're right Again, still_one! You're into reality.

Thank You!

[still_one]

79. Thanks Cha!!!!!!!!

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

9. He also thought President Romney was a certainty

When he's not fuming with jealousy over Obama becoming a bigger hero youth than him, Moore loves depressing turnout and hoping for GOP wins, as it gives him better material for his diminishing film career

[shanny]

10. Then let's make sure he is wrong.

I don't think he would be bothered by that One.Little.Bit.

[still_one]

13. F**K YOU MICHAEL MOORE. JUST GO AWAY. Instead of motivating people in 2016, you demoralized,

undermined, and were up to your usual antics from 2000 when you said a vote for Gore is a vote for bush

You played the same card during the women's unity march, until Ashley Judd effectively told you to shut the f**k up. IT WASN'T ABOUT YOU MOORE, it was about unity, and women, but you wanted to be the center of attention.

Now just before the midterms you are doing the same bullshit.

If you think you are so f**king hot, why don't you run for public office, and let's see how you do.

I hope you are taken to the cleaners during your divorce settlement

The only thing you are doing is trying to generate attention to bring money in for movie 11/9 where you went out of your way to go after the Democratic party and President Obama, but not so much trump.

One thing you have shown, you are the same asshole you were in 2000, and you haven't changed your divisionary bullshit, you just kept it hidden temporarily

[Fred Sanders]

46. "He could win again", said Moore...not WILL. Kind of makes a difference. The OP title is false.

But flail away at the straw man of you all must.

Moore said the same thing in his last film...and got misrepresented and flayed then as well.

[still_one]

48. He was my star doom and gloom in 2016, and yes I heard him. I hear d him at the women's unity March

trying to trash the Democratic Party until Ashly Judd put it him his place

He is not misinterpreted

He is back to his 2000 bullshit

He does this every time before an election, and I am sick and tired of it

[CanSocDem]

52. So....

...Ashley Judd does more for democracy in the USA than Michael Moore????

No wonder the people elected Trump. And short of impeachment, of course he could win a second term.


.

[John Fante]

59. Ashley Judd didn't shill for Ralph Nadar in 2000.

She didn't smugly play the "you didn't earn the votes Mr Gore" card after.

She didn't just release a documentary that spends more time shitting on Democrats than it does Trump.

She wins by default. Fuck Michael Moore.

[Cha]

74. Mahalo for explaining that So Well to that poster, John!

Moore's a RF.

Ashley calls out repubs..

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

And, Ashley Judd did interrupt Moore on stage at the Women's March when he was about to trash Dems. She had something important to say about WOMEN!

[John Fante]

83. Noʻu ka hauʻoli, Cha. Thank you for your tweets.

Ashley Judd gets it. Moore does not.

[Cha]

84. Mahalo nui loa. Ashely Judd is the polar

opposite of Michael Moore.

Ashley

[Cha]

73. The Fraud wasn't "elected" he was Rigged in.

[Wounded Bear]

14. MM is selling another movie...

[WA-03 Democrat]

17. Michael Moore is of no help to

The Democratic Party or our causes. He is a charlatan at the very best. You can not use the term genius and drump in the same sentence and wish to be credible. Depressing the vote while his ego get feed are Moore’s only goals.

[brush]

33. Yep, IMO anyone saying trump is a genius is a moron.

trump is noting but a lucky sob who was aided by Russia, stupid assed Comey, and cheating repugs.

And he's a traitor.

Moore needs to stop pushing that "trump will win again" crap.

Negative crap is not helpful.

[Cha]

75. Really. It feeds into that whole "stable genius" SHITE..

Fans do NOT Care that he's Fucking EVIL

[betsuni]

86. A genius who can't remember anything? Doesn't make any sense.

Trump has been lucky and luck runs out, you are right.

[uponit7771]

21. Why does he leave out Russia?!?

[betsuni]

53. Because then he couldn't place all the blame on Democrats for being complacent ...

and letting Republicans win. Democrats compromise, give in, back down, don't fight, are spineless, weak. Hey, I just realized that Moore probably sees Trump as a strong manly man as well as an evil genius. Maybe he has a little crush! He says, "I operate as if he is a two-term Trump." Hmmmmm. This is getting weird.

[Cha]

76. Because he knows he has fans who won't

care if he tells the whole story.

And, that would mess up his agenda.

[QC]

24. POOPIEHEAD!!!! MEANIE!!!

[caraher]

25. False headline: "could" does not mean "will"

If Moore believes that Trump "will" win, they forgot the quote that backs up. Moore says Trump "could" win and that Moore operates "as if" Trump will win, but that is very different from a prediction.

And I see no harm in his stance. For one thing, such a belief underscores the importance of winning Congress. And for another, he absolutely right that Trump's chances were underestimated by too many in 2016.

[LakeArenal]

26. Michael Moore is fine. But as relevant as Sarandon

Now they both say things that get them coverage. Otherwise we’d hardly to never think of them.

[steve2470]

29. MM forgets that by the time 2020 rolls around, Mueller will be done with his investigation...

I firmly believe that Mueller will find slam-dunk proof of obstruction of justice and probably other crimes with Trump. He will probably find evidence of treasonous conspiracy with the Russians. He may even issue indictments against Trump.

Also, we are going to take the House, for sure, and maybe the Senate too. Trump will be overwhelmed by investigations and subpoenas relating to his misconduct.

If this country allows Trump to survive in the Presidency with all that hanging over his head, we're done as a democracy.

[OnDoutside]

30. Misleading heading.

[steve2470]

35. that's the 100% correct headline at the CNN site

[OnDoutside]

47. Grand, but it's still a misleading headline.

[jcgoldie]

32. meh

Michael Moore's schtick is getting old. The fact that he says things like this and his arguments leading up to the 2016 election only help legitimize an illegitimate administration.

[LenaBaby61]

92. "Michael Moore's shtick is getting old."

THIS^^^

[MaryMagdaline]

37. Pessimism is a gift to the enemy

[oberliner]

41. Seems like he is being facetious

[TheBlackAdder]

42. Not sure about two-terms, but we all know the Cons & Russia thought of new tricks no one else has.

[John Fante]

44. Moore dislikes Obama and predicted a Romney victory in 2012.

Spotting a trend?

I need Moore's concern trolling like I need a bag on my hip.

[Awsi Dooger]

45. If a Republican won in 2016 he was huge favorite for two terms

By far the greatest situational advantage in American politics...incumbent whose party has been in power only one term.

Trump may be every type of lowlife but there is no chance I will discount the immense benefit of a doubt he will receive in 2020, via that scenario alone

[ecstatic]

49. And yet, Moore's approach appears to be more bashing of democrats

Thanks, Mike! Brilliant!

[lunamagica]

51. And that's the best thing that can happen to your business, right Michael?

[helpisontheway]

55. He is probably right. I was so sure Kerry was gonna win

in 2004 and we know what happened. Smh

[John Fante]

60. Bush was still reasonably popular in 2004. Over 50% approval ratings.

Kerry was the underdog from the start. Trump will be the underdog in 2020.

[Cha]

77. Apples and Oranges. pun intended.

[betsuni]

56. Wrong.

He is not an evil genius. He can't remember anything, everyone in the White House says so. Everything is in the moment, no future, no past. He will be brought down by his crimes eventually. His luck will run out. Even if he manages to hang on until 2020, the effects of his policies on the economy will start to be noticed. Farmers and manufacturers are already feeling it. This is a leaky boat taking on water.

Trump did not "figure out" how to win by losing the election. He was as surprised as everybody else. This is embarrassing, Michael Moore. Sad!

And I hate that "Dems are complacent" meme. Democrats vote, Republicans vote, the complacent ones are the uninformed or uninterested who don't vote, and the ones who don't even know there's an election. There should be public service announcements and ads to educate the public about elections, speakers going to schools to talk about how the government works, a massive push to overcome the usual American anti-intellectualism. But that takes money and I keep hearing about how money is bad and corrupts everybody, so I suppose we'll have to stick to the status quo.

[texasfiddler]

57. He is trying to stoke the left

I think his strategy is understandable. I actually believe trump and republicans are in trouble. I believe Michael Moore understands this as well. However, right wingers vote in every election. A blue wave will require a sense of urgency.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

62. "No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to die"

I always liked the evil geniuses.

Trump ain't one.

[still_one]

63. He also believes that the NYTimes OPEd was planned by trump. What he is

effectively saying is that the NY Times, which knows the identify of the OpEd, is being duped by him, and this is only a ploy to distract.

He is also saying that Woodward is being duped.

Gee, Mike, everyone is getting fooled but you

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/michael-moore-donald-trump-nyt-oped_us_5b9eaab4e4b046313fbc24f0

What a brilliant distraction, to not only confirm by multiple sources that trump is incompetent, but that he is a danger to the country.


Moore, understand this, THAT IS NOT A DISTRACTION, THAT THE PRESIDENT IS UNSTABLE. That is what is happening

[betsuni]

67. He should just go all the way and scream FAKE NEWS!!111

Is he trying to attract Trump voters? Attract them to what? Trump is an evil genius who can fool the Times and Woodward and us, are we supposed to respect that? We shouldn't vote for him next time but Democrats are spineless and complacent. What is the message here?

[still_one]

69. I think what he is trying to do is get attention, with the hopes that it will bring in

people to see his movie

[John Fante]

70. Moore is a total asshat.

Building up Trump just in time for his stupid documentary.

[betsuni]

66. "Trump, evil genius" reminds me of SNL's "President Reagan, Mastermind"

Equally impossible.

[trueblue2007]

68. WHAT has Moore been smoking

[Cha]

71. Evil Fucking Anti-Christ. Fuck that NOISE.

Moore sounds fucking clueless.

[stonecutter357]

81. Sarandon / types !

[Rstrstx]

82. Didn't he also say Trump wouldn't finish his first term?

He has been all over the map about Trump

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/04/michael-moore-bowling-for-columbine-trump

http://theweek.com/speedreads/661429/michael-moore-doesnt-think-trump-actually-office-4-years

I guess if he throws enough predictions out there one of them will probably happen and he'll be able to say 'Told you so'

[John1956PA]

87. In December 2016, Moore suggested Tr would not be inaugurated.

From https://globalnews.ca/news/3115263/michael-moore-predicts-something-crazy-will-keep-donald-trump-from-presidency/ :

Controversial filmmaker and pot-stirrer Michael Moore was one of the only people to accurately predict the Donald Trump presidential election victory, and now he’s made another bold forecast: that “something crazy,” like the U.S. Electoral College voting system being ruled unconstitutional, will deny Trump the presidency before his scheduled inauguration.

Moore made the declaration on Wednesday’s Late Night With Seth Meyers, saying that Trump still has six weeks before he’s sworn into office, and lots of things can happen within that time frame.

He made pointed reference to Hillary Clinton‘s 2.7 million-vote lead in the popular vote (despite her electoral-vote loss), and calls for an end to what he deems an “arcane” system.

“He’s going to not have a mandate, the majority of our fellow Americans do not want him in the White House, but because of an arcane law from the 1700s to placate the slave states … He’s not president of the United States yet,” said Moore to Meyers.

“I’d like to make another prediction tonight,” he continued. “[Trump] isn’t president til noon on January 20th of 2017 … that’s more than six weeks away. Would you not agree, regardless of which side of the political fence you’re on, this has been the craziest election year? Nothing anyone predicted has happened; the opposite has happened. So is it possible, just possible, that in these next six weeks, something else might happen — something crazy, something we’re not expecting?”

[betsuni]

89. Thanks, he can't brag about THAT.

[Cha]

97. Fucking genius

[betsuni]

88. Years ago I saw a disparaging comment about Moore and was going to defend him, saying ...

that he's almost always right. Then I did some research just to make sure and realized no, not true. More like fifty-fifty, like anything else.

[Separation]

85. The fantastic thing about the internet....

Is that it never, ever, goes away.

Trump is an evil genius? Puh-lease, as said before he had the same schtick back in 2000 against Gore.

To me, it sounds like he is gas lighting. Saying, "oh yea Trump is gonna win, he's an evil genius" then come 2020 we can get an all new MM movie.

When hype men hype, the day ends in Y and Facebook or Twitter will make it go viral.

[PoliticAverse]

90. (1) Know what to say and do to keep your name in the news. (2) Profit.

Moore also predicted Romney would defeat Obama in 2012:
https://www.rawstory.com/2012/08/michael-moore-predicts-romney-will-win-in-november/

[Mike Nelson]

91. He wants two things...

… Publicity for his film.
… People to VOTE.

I see what he's doing, and it works, for me. I want people to see his film and I want people to be so worried about Crooked Donald, they will fill their car with VOTERS and VOTE.

[stopbush]

93. Michael Moore was entirely wrong about the last election

He said Hillary was a lousy candidate and would lose to tRump because a bunch of disaffected white voters were going to vote for him.

In fact, Hillary won the popular vote by a wide margin, and the only reason tRump got the WH was because he conspired with the Russians and cheated his way into the job, stealing enough votes to tip the EC.

Moore never mentioned any of that in his predictions.

Period.

[Cha]

98. Thanks for the dose of reality, stopbush

[no_hypocrisy]

94. Not necessarily

1. A lot of Trump votes were anti-Hillary votes in 2016. Hillary's not running in 2020, so a new dynamic. Perhaps not as many Trump voters.

2. We know more about Trump than 2016. Less votes mean less chance of electoral shenanigans.

3. While not totally prepared for 2020, we expect Russia to interfere with some states and districts. We will call them out.