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Do we have a shadow government? (Original Post) blaze Sep 2018 OP
We do C_U_L8R Sep 2018 #1
Yes Because It Never Goes Away Me. Sep 2018 #2
Yes... lapfog_1 Sep 2018 #3
I think it's true in every large organization Yupster Sep 2018 #6
My High School Principal was one of those with "radical" ideas... lapfog_1 Sep 2018 #7
Whether the new leader of an organization has radical ideas that are great or awful, Yupster Sep 2018 #8
Of course. Sometimes it's more active than other times. MineralMan Sep 2018 #4
I certainly HOPE so.... at least until Trump is gone. scheming daemons Sep 2018 #5

Me.

(35,454 posts)
2. Yes Because It Never Goes Away
Thu Sep 6, 2018, 10:32 AM
Sep 2018

There is always some Republican or another who thinks they should direct the gov. in the way they think it should go ...the biggest example I can think of recently, before this admin., is Cheney

lapfog_1

(29,219 posts)
3. Yes...
Thu Sep 6, 2018, 10:35 AM
Sep 2018

and while it is important that we do right now, we shouldn't need one

Sunlight is a great disinfectant... and when shined directly above the subject, eliminates shadows.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
6. I think it's true in every large organization
Thu Sep 6, 2018, 10:44 AM
Sep 2018

Back in my teacher days we'd get a new principal every few years and many times they would come in with all kinds of ideas to make radical changes, most of which would be disastrous.

The teachers and staff would know they just had to slow things down a bit and throw a few kinks in the worst ideas and the principal would be gone soon enough.

I think that's just natural in any large organization.

lapfog_1

(29,219 posts)
7. My High School Principal was one of those with "radical" ideas...
Thu Sep 6, 2018, 11:08 AM
Sep 2018

The district had just built a brand new High School not far from my house. They did a search for a new principal and found this energetic younger guy with some radical ideas to try (like trimesters instead of semesters, a program of independent study for gifted students, less emphasis on sports, etc).

For the entering 10th grade class he went around to all of the middle schools and met with each and every student... usually just with a handshake and a question or two... This for a class of 300 and total student body of a nearly a thousand.

So... the summer passed and come late August we all caught the bus to the brand new school... and there at the steps to the main entrance was our new Principal. He greeted each and every student by name, asked about our parents and our summer vacations by asking "how was the trip to X?" or "did you work your fathers hay field like you said?"... no notes, no one reminding him of what he had asked or our answers 3 months earlier. He took an interest in each student and in their abilities and desires.

Needless to say we students LOVED this guy. I don't know how many people he encouraged to do better simply by taking an interest in their lives, their names, their dreams.

Of course, he left after a few years (the year I graduated high school) because the "system" ground down his innovations.

But, for a while, our high school was the best high school in the entire state.

I know I went from being a "wannabe tough (greaser if you know that term)" to graduating as a National Honor Society and salutatorian - and I passed when offered valedictorian so my good friend Amy who had the exact same "score" as I did could have the honor at graduation. It's hard to believe that 46 years have passed since my first year in that remarkable high school.

Sometimes a revolutionary leader is a good thing, when you have a leader worth following.

Or a really horrible thing when you have a leader who should never be anywhere near the position of leadership.

Our current "President" is not a leader worth following.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
8. Whether the new leader of an organization has radical ideas that are great or awful,
Thu Sep 6, 2018, 07:02 PM
Sep 2018

I think it's common that the people who have been there a long time will balk at the new ideas whether good or bad.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
4. Of course. Sometimes it's more active than other times.
Thu Sep 6, 2018, 10:40 AM
Sep 2018

Consider Reagan and GW Bush. Reagan had serious memory deficits and cognitive issues, particularly in his second term. Others made the decisions. GWB was simply an idiot, who allowed others to tell him what he should do.

Trump is both an idiot and cognitively challenged. Of course there's a shadow government in operation, but it is barely able to contain Trump's impulsive, narcissistic, sociopathic tendencies.

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