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From the wiki article on Ryan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ryan#Ryan.27s_second_budget_plan
Ilsa
(61,705 posts)safeinOhio
(32,733 posts)They will love this guy when they read about her atheist teachings.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)^snip^
14. The alleged short-cut to knowledge, which is faith, is only a short circuit destroying the mind.
15. Faith is the worse curse of mankind, as the exact antithesis and enemy of thought.
20. To rest one's case on faith means to concede that reason is on the side of one's enemies- that one has no rational arguments to offer.
http://listverse.com/2007/12/13/top-25-ayn-rand-quotes/
^snip^
11. Money is the barometer of a societys virtue.
9. It only stands to reason that where theres sacrifice, theres someone collecting the sacrificial offerings. Where theres service, there is someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master.
8. Individual rights are not subject to a public vote; a majority has no right to vote away the rights of a minority; the political function of rights is precisely to protect minorities from oppression by majorities.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)If Ryan can be tied to Rand successfully, I can imagine the evangelical right being sorely conflicted to vote for the ticket.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Either way, it's a Lose/Lose with the Evangelical crowd.
nanabugg
(2,198 posts)people like Ayn Rand? Then follow with a bunch of her quotes. You know, this is how they did Obama with his Rev. Wright issue. Fight fire with fire!
Hells Liberal
(88 posts)I'll see if I can find the link, but when Rand's hardcore atheism became an issue with some of Ryan's supporters, he was saying that he had nothing to do with her or her teachings.
It was hilarious.
Chiyo-chichi
(3,589 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Joe Bacon
(5,165 posts)Because the sad truth is that abortion trumps everything else for them. I have VERY sad memories of Western Pennsylvania in 1984 when the Catholic Churches told people to vote for Reagan because he was "pro-life". The mills had closed, people were unemployed en masse, yet they STILL voted for Reagan.
Patiod
(11,816 posts)Abortion and gay-hating trumps ALL.
It's sort of like the death penalty. The Bishops are supposedly against that too, but you don't see them supporting politicians who are against it.
Ryan essentially wants to hand our retirements over to the banksters and say "good luck!".
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)There is on abortion.
Not saying that's right, just the way it is. In our diocese, the election time voting literature emphasizes that abortion and euthanasia issues trump all.
Patiod
(11,816 posts)In our area, the secular hospital where my mom died was going to merge with a Catholic hospital. The doctors at the secular hospital fought the merger tooth-and-nail, because their hospital had offered to stop doing abortions after the merger, and it's the only hospital in the area still doing abortions. They claim that they do "medically necessary" abortions, about 100/year, and it's a needed service.
The other issue was that the Catholic hospital had a much stricter "euthanasia" policy than the the Church as a whole, but I was never able to figure out what that meant exactly. I used to be a hospice volunteer and we established pretty clearly that no extra-ordinary intervention is ever required by the Church - so if someone is relying on a vent to breathe, removing the vent isn't euthanasia.
But the secular hospital said that, post-merger, it was going to review its end-of-life policies to ensure that they were in compliance with that of the Catholic hospital. Well, screw that. The secular hospital's current policies worked just fine for my Catholic parents, their priest, and our bishop who discussed and helped my dad decide to remove my mom's vent.
Fortunately, the merger was stopped. Good. Let the secular hospital be secular, and the Catholic hospital be Catholic.
And just as a note, my work in hospice has me in the anti-euthanasia camp. My attitude toward euthanasia is that once everyone has access to really top-notch pain management, psychiatry, and great supportive end of life care then MAYBE I'd vote to make euthanasia legal. But we're not even close to that.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)But the Catholic church always throws that in with abortion, i.e., "supporting human life from conception to natural death"
Freddie
(9,275 posts)Unfortunately in today's Church, the zygotes always win.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)against Ryan's budget plans, the Pope would risk further alienating American Bishops and Nuns. The American Bishops won't tolerate someone who is willing to leave the elderly and poor to fend for themselves. Ryan is heartless.
Joe Bacon
(5,165 posts)They have made it clear that stopping all abortions trumps everything else, which is why the Bishops will continue to push for Romney/Ryan.
malaise
(269,212 posts)the atheist and he tried to distance himself in the past year. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaah!
ProgressiveEconomist
(5,818 posts)misuse of Catholic social teachings in his absurd budget rationale. Ryan apparently says that Catholic social teaching advocates addressing social issues at the lowest level of government possible. But Ryan goes way too far with this, advocating what Reagan's budget director David Stockman called a "shift and shaft" strategy on social programs: shift responsibility to a lower level of government, but remove almost all of the funding necessary to accomplish the programs' goals.
Compare what the wiki says to what the Georgetown Voice says about "subsidiarity" in the OP snippet at http://www.democraticunderground.com/125167518 .
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)It appears to me that the Wikipedia article is accurately reporting what's in the source document(s) (from the Georgetown faculty and/or the conference of bishops).
If the report is not accurate then it should be corrected. If the source garbled the point then the alternative point of view can be included in Ryan's bio, PROVIDED that there's a reliable source (generally speaking, mainstream media) that says so.
I'm an experienced Wikipedian and I'd be glad to work with you to improve Ryan's bio in this or any other respect.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Oh man, this really could be fun.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)He's very popular with the Catholics in his homestate too!
Patiod
(11,816 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)They judge more on what you do to help those in need.
Patiod
(11,816 posts)Are in Northern Delaware.
I'm sure there's a lot more in many, many places, but my friends' parish outside Wilmington is the one I know of personally that indeed embodies that spirit.
demosincebirth
(12,544 posts)the gays." Also, I think he goes to mass quite often. What' is your definition of a "real" Catholic?
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)and only the conservatives really care about those things. There are also liberal Catholics who care more about helping the poor than they do anything else, then there are the ones who just go through the motions and really don't care about anything.
Sorry for the Huffpo link but it is only 2 hours old so I am gonna go with this one, there are plenty others.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-raushenbush/paul-ryan-catholic-dilemma-_b_1767670.html#s308815&title=Luke_62021
^sniip^
Last April, the US Catholic Bishops sent a blistering message to the House Ways and Means Committee saying that any federal budget must be judged by the way it protects the 'least of these.' In Bishop Blaire's words: "The House-passed budget resolution fails to meet these moral criteria."
The architect of the budget the Bishops deemed immoral was Rep. Paul Ryan, a Catholic, who has now joined Mitt Romney as his running mate on the GOP ticket.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)advocating voting for Obama either, considering he advocates "killing babies" (which will, of course, be the wording they'll use). What WILL they do?
demosincebirth
(12,544 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)it's their terminology.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)think a large portion of people in the US think much further than that when voting?? I don't
Ayn Rand yeah they are going to connect him to that....doubtful the concepts can enter thier brains
Annie who?
Plus he promised to lift up the middle class and offer equal opportunity not equal outcomes + that should be enough heard to vote for him +Mitt for the average Catholic IMO
plus he wont allow any fetus killing of course and has voted to keep those gays away from adoptions and marriage so what is not to love???
just my opinion but many Christians are"" profoundly misreading Church teaching" so not a real problem for Ryan
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)Social justice Catholics weren't going to vote for Romney anyway, and pro-life Catholics won't vote for President Obama.
I see it as having little to no effect on the Catholic vote.
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)the catholic church talking criticizing for abandoning the poor. when the bishops and cardinals give up their lavish lifestyle, then they can talk.
sP
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)with the exception of Rock Co, his district is 25%-50% roman catholic, and if you didn't already know, catholics are the group of largest religious adherents in Wisconsin.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)nini
(16,672 posts)Or the scary gay marriage. They abandoned the needs of the poor long ago.
The ones I know who vote that way are so out of their minds over abortion they don't see all the other things that hurt those Jesus said they should be worried about.
Brainwashing will do that to you.