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I never hesitate to repost this... (Original Post) MrScorpio Sep 2018 OP
Fantastic 70,000th post! Moostache Sep 2018 #1
Bookmarked. MontanaMama Sep 2018 #2
I found this similar one some time back. JohnnyRingo Sep 2018 #3
Gerrymandering is unconstitutional. It subverts the principle of representative government DemocracyMouse Sep 2018 #5
I live next to a gerrymandered district JohnnyRingo Sep 2018 #13
Thank You...what you have posted totally explains the idea of "gerrymandering" Stuart G Sep 2018 #4
Dems have done it too, but Republicans used a computer in 2010. DemocracyMouse Sep 2018 #7
Due to the concentration of liberals, it's much easier for Republicans to successfully gerrymander. Garrett78 Sep 2018 #14
Dems do #2 zipplewrath Sep 2018 #6
Any example? Roland99 Sep 2018 #9
A picture IS worth a thousand words. Thanks! nt Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #8
K and R...in case anyone missed this, it is very important..everyone needs to see this...no text. Stuart G Sep 2018 #10
I wonder moondust Sep 2018 #11
K&R smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #12
K&R Scurrilous Sep 2018 #15
Michigan has a petition on the upcoming ballot tiredtoo Sep 2018 #16
Gerrymandering has an old, dishonorable history... malthaussen Sep 2018 #17
Representation by more than just the votes... TomVilmer Sep 2018 #18

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
5. Gerrymandering is unconstitutional. It subverts the principle of representative government
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 08:46 PM
Sep 2018

Instead of government of the people, by the people, it's government by a cigar-chomping backroom kabal with a greasy, liquor-stained map.

JohnnyRingo

(18,641 posts)
13. I live next to a gerrymandered district
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 11:36 PM
Sep 2018

Indeed, my own Ohio district was gerrymandered as well, but we retain Democrat Tim Ryan. However, next door is the sixth which includes Youngstown. The district now snakes down along the Ohio River on the West Virginia border all the way to Cincinnati. in places it's only five miles wide, but those living in that narrow appendage outnumber the voting public in Y-Town. That asshole Bill Johnson represents there having replaced the great Charlie Wilson during the "Operation Red State 2010" redistricting.

It's stacked against a democrat, but if more people in Youngstown proper would vote, they'd do themselves a tremendous favor.

Stuart G

(38,445 posts)
4. Thank You...what you have posted totally explains the idea of "gerrymandering"
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 08:44 PM
Sep 2018

It is exactly what the Republican Party does, every chance it gets. It is simple, easy to understand, clearly shows in 4 diagrams, that 60 per cent are blue, and if done unfairly, and with malice, (as the Republicans do) that 60 percent would be represented by a party that only holds 40 percent of vote..that is 3 red districts when there should be just two.

.........This is a brilliant diagram of what Republicans do, and what we could do, but don't do.

and.....CONGRATULATIONS ON 70,000 POSTS

...................we are.... VERY GRATEFUL THAT YOU ARE HERE !!!!!!!

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
7. Dems have done it too, but Republicans used a computer in 2010.
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 08:50 PM
Sep 2018

So here we are.

Time to teach social science in an interdisciplinary format that mixes in math, media, maps and ethics.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
14. Due to the concentration of liberals, it's much easier for Republicans to successfully gerrymander.
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 02:08 AM
Sep 2018

We need district boundaries to be determined by an impartial computer/robot.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
6. Dems do #2
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 08:47 PM
Sep 2018

I've pointed out before that the democrats at times were guilty of #2. The GOP is basically always doing #3. The democrats were padding existing majorities. The GOP creates majorities where there are none.

moondust

(20,006 posts)
11. I wonder
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 10:54 PM
Sep 2018

who writes Яepublican computer algorithms? Some Яussians?

Computers would seem to make it a lot easier and more precise. Was gerrymandering a serious concern back when it all had to be done manually with pencils and paper, piles of voter registration lists and old maps? It probably wasn't an issue when the Constitution was adopted just as automatic weapons weren't a red flag to stop passage of the 2nd Amendment.



Update: After minimal investigation apparently some gerrymandering was done as early as 1812, but no doubt it was pretty crude. Today's technology has made it an art form.

tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
16. Michigan has a petition on the upcoming ballot
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 01:47 PM
Sep 2018

to create an independent citizens committee to draw the lines. Vote yes on proposal 2.

malthaussen

(17,216 posts)
17. Gerrymandering has an old, dishonorable history...
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 02:21 PM
Sep 2018

... back in the days when the US was still a bunch of colonies, many states used a variation to bias their legislatures, juggling the number of counties (where representation was by county) to give certain areas (Tidewater Carolina, eg) greater representation than the interior of the colony. Some of the same idea can be seen in assigning two Senators to every state, regardless of size or population. The effect is to make representation less representative.

-- Mal

TomVilmer

(1,832 posts)
18. Representation by more than just the votes...
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 05:30 PM
Sep 2018

... is very normal in most representative democracies. To assign two Senators to every state, regardless of size or population, gives every State equal possibilities. The effect is to make representation more representative. Representation only by size of population would give the big coastal States too much power. You might want this to be different, but then it would not really be a representative democracy!

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