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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,192 posts)
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 08:55 PM Sep 2018

How Much Trouble Is Ted Cruz Really In?

A new Texas Senate poll came out this week showing Democratic Rep. Beto O’Rourke within 1 point of Republican Sen. Ted Cruz. It gave new life to a familiar question: Could Texas finally flip blue? Normally, this would be the point where we lecture everyone about the dangers of putting too much stock in one poll. But this poll wasn’t even much of an outlier — it came on the heels of a few others that also show O’Rourke within a few points of Cruz. That’s an awfully close race for a state that President Trump won by 9 points in 2016. Is it time to start betting on a Democrat in Texas?

We still say you should hold onto your chips.

OK, first the new survey: Emerson College’s1 poll of registered voters, conducted online and through robo-calls, reported 38 percent support for Cruz and 37 percent for O’Rourke, well within the poll’s 4-point margin of error. About a fifth of respondents remained undecided.

Emerson was the sixth consecutive pollster in our database to find the Texas Senate race within single digits

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-much-trouble-is-ted-cruz-really-in/



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How Much Trouble Is Ted Cruz Really In? (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2018 OP
"About a fifth of respondents remained undecided." dchill Sep 2018 #1
everyone in Texas has heard of Cruz, yet louis c Sep 2018 #2
That's Cruz's problem. TomSlick Sep 2018 #3
Lol! And they are now getting to know Beto! ananda Sep 2018 #20
And everybody hates Ted Cruz! leftieNanner Sep 2018 #26
if dems stay home cruz wins. nt msongs Sep 2018 #4
No worries, shithole oops I mean t-rump to the rescue. Iliyah Sep 2018 #5
LOL! Cruz should be worried. SammyWinstonJack Sep 2018 #21
I wish Nate and Enten had participated Awsi Dooger Sep 2018 #6
Enten no longer works for 538 brooklynite Sep 2018 #14
Thanks...did not know that Awsi Dooger Sep 2018 #17
Hope that smug @sshole loses his seat..No respect helpisontheway Sep 2018 #7
The definition of a Lifetime Dem is: Repeated disappointment, so I'll wait till the results are in. UTUSN Sep 2018 #8
It's possible that the enthusiasm for the new guy will bring his voters out. No enthusiasm for ted. lindysalsagal Sep 2018 #9
Bigly OBrien Sep 2018 #10
I am in Texas, and I REALLLLLLy want Beto to win, but.... Lisa0825 Sep 2018 #11
Arizona voted for Trump by +3.5% BUT passed a minimum wage increase by 60% populistdriven Sep 2018 #12
Well, Trump districts have been moving 10-15 points to Dems this cycle... Wounded Bear Sep 2018 #13
Texas has straight party voting JCMach1 Sep 2018 #15
Straight ticket is gone for November 2020 Awsi Dooger Sep 2018 #18
Gone, that's actually good news JCMach1 Sep 2018 #23
Singing this every day until the election! DFW Sep 2018 #16
As always in Texas, we have to fight voter apathy as much as the repubs. Liberal In Texas Sep 2018 #19
Mucho oberliner Sep 2018 #22
Are you in Texas? Will you be participating in GOTV there? MineralMan Sep 2018 #25
I am not in Texas oberliner Sep 2018 #28
GOTV will make the difference. MineralMan Sep 2018 #24
Hate to say/see it, but Cruz by 4%. People won't vote. Please make a liar out of me!!!!! tonyt53 Sep 2018 #27
 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
2. everyone in Texas has heard of Cruz, yet
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 09:05 PM
Sep 2018

Last edited Mon Sep 3, 2018, 10:36 AM - Edit history (1)

he only has 38% support. I have been involved in elections at all levels. A high profile incumbent at 38% this late in the game is in big trouble

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
6. I wish Nate and Enten had participated
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 09:17 PM
Sep 2018

I read that article a few days ago. Not as in depth as I expected from 538. Turned into too much discussion regarding gap from typical August polling to the actual result, and the comments underneath likewise pounced on that aspect.

Years ago here TruthIsAll would have given Beto a 99.99% certainty of winning, since he would have assigned virtually all of the undecideds to Beto as the challenger.

Unfortunately that's not the way it works. Nate Silver looked at it extensively in 2010:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/myth-of-incumbent-50-rule/

Fortunately for Beto, Cruz was not consensus above 50% in all the early polls. There were a couple at 51% and one at 50% but others were as low as 47. That is very important because Nate picked up on something that I have used for decades...the overwhelming importance of early preference. Everything tends to drift back to the beginning in general elections, while late rallies are almost always overstated.

As Nate wrote in that article:

"The following corollary of Moran’s hypothesis is almost always true: if an incumbent has 50 percent or more of the vote in early polls, he will win re-election. This was true on 32 of 33 occasions; the lone exception was George Allen in Virginia, who had 51.5 percent of the vote in early polls in 2006 but lost re-election by less than a full point (after running a terrible campaign). It appears that once a voter is willing to express a preference for an incumbent candidate to a pollster, they rarely (although not never) change their minds and vote for the challenger instead."

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
17. Thanks...did not know that
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 03:13 AM
Sep 2018

I saw him on CNN recently with a big smile but I assumed it was supplemental to his 538 role

helpisontheway

(5,008 posts)
7. Hope that smug @sshole loses his seat..No respect
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 09:24 PM
Sep 2018

for someone that would grovel to a man that said vile things about his wife and father. He would do anything to keep his seat.

UTUSN

(70,740 posts)
8. The definition of a Lifetime Dem is: Repeated disappointment, so I'll wait till the results are in.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 09:25 PM
Sep 2018

Besides the rallying, voting, prostletyzing, etc.






OBrien

(363 posts)
10. Bigly
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 09:36 PM
Sep 2018

Texas isn’t a red state as much as it’s a non voting state. I have lived here for 19 years and I have never seen more yard signs for ANY election as I have seen now...all for Beto. That tells me they are MOTIVATED voters. Cruz is in big trouble.

Lisa0825

(14,487 posts)
11. I am in Texas, and I REALLLLLLy want Beto to win, but....
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 10:28 PM
Sep 2018

The same polls showing Beto neck and neck with Cruz showed Abbott with a 20 point lead over Valdez for governor. So we would either need people to vote cross-ballot, or low GOPer turnout. If people turn out for Abbott, they will likely vote down-ballot, so let's just hope for low enthusiasm/turnout on the right.

All that being said, I think Beto is GREAT for Texas, for helping push us to the blue side, and if not this year, I expect big things from him very soon.... maybe even a future Presidential candidate.

populistdriven

(5,644 posts)
12. Arizona voted for Trump by +3.5% BUT passed a minimum wage increase by 60%
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 12:48 AM
Sep 2018

that is a 13 point spread on a core Republican issue so it is possible to get a large cross-ballot

Wounded Bear

(58,706 posts)
13. Well, Trump districts have been moving 10-15 points to Dems this cycle...
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 01:01 AM
Sep 2018

If Teddie is leading by less than 5, he probably is in trouble.

At least I hope so.

JCMach1

(27,572 posts)
15. Texas has straight party voting
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 02:05 AM
Sep 2018

So it's about turnout and winning Indy's... Very few Republicans will split their vote when the relatively popular Republican Incumbent Gov. Will probably win by 20pts...

The flippable R's were already against Cruz...

So good news is be progressive and play the ground game and get your people to the polls.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
18. Straight ticket is gone for November 2020
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 03:19 AM
Sep 2018

But that obviously doesn't do Beto any good. And you are correct to mention it as an important variable. It's probably one of the reasons Texas votes so red in midterm years...lazy voters

Liberal In Texas

(13,574 posts)
19. As always in Texas, we have to fight voter apathy as much as the repubs.
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 07:55 AM
Sep 2018

If we get high turnout, we win. Even with gerrymandering and voter ID laws.

MineralMan

(146,329 posts)
25. Are you in Texas? Will you be participating in GOTV there?
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 01:59 PM
Sep 2018

That's what it will depend on, really. The funding is there. All that is needed is an unprecedented turnout of Democratic voters.

I'm not there, sadly, so I can't help with GOTV. I have the wrong accent, anyhow.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
28. I am not in Texas
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 02:21 PM
Sep 2018

Just have a hunch that Ted is going to lose. I've sent a small donation to Beto.

MineralMan

(146,329 posts)
24. GOTV will make the difference.
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 01:57 PM
Sep 2018

The deplorables will turn out to vote for Cruz. Can we get enough voters to come to the polls to elect O'Rourke? I don't know. I'm not in Texas and don't know how difficult that will be.

It's doable, but will Texas Democrats do it? I guess we'll find out in November.

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