Keith Ellison accused of "narcissistic abuse." This is just going too far!!!

[LAS14]

Now, as Mr. Ellison runs for attorney general in Minnesota, Ms. Monahan has accused her former boyfriend of emotional abuse and says he once shouted profanities at her, while trying to drag her off a bed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/us/keith-elllison-karen-monahan.html

What???? Once shouted profanities?????? Wo! Lock him up. (sarcasm)

Do you all agree that this kind of charge deserves no public attention at all??

[eShirl]

1. how is trying to drag someone not assault?

[RhodeIslandOne]

16. You can be charged with assault without making physical contact

I suggest you look it up.

[LAS14]

18. I doubt trying to pull your partner off the bed would qualify. If it does...

...we're in a really bad place in this society.

[dsc]

21. Yes pulling your partner off the bed in a violent manner (as opposed to playful) is assault

I am not saying Ellison did that, but if he did, then yes, he assaulted her. Could he have assaulted her in a worse manner? Yes. But it is assault.

[LAS14]

24. "Assault" as in criminally liable? Give me a break! What have we come to??? nt

[dsc]

36. yes touching people against their will is assault

again, I am not saying Ellison did this, but if he did, he quite likely broke the law. You don't get to lay your hands on people without their consent.

[RhodeIslandOne]

23. If you feel your partner assaulted you....

....by doing so, then it’s a crime, period.

[LAS14]

25. This is nuts.

How someone "feels" now defines criminality? Just nuts.

[MrsCoffee]

26. So you think it's ok for a man to drag a woman around?

Because they are in a relationship?

This is caveman ideology here.

[LAS14]

27. Not OK. Just not public and criminal. nt

[MrsCoffee]

29. Wrong.

[stonecutter357]

34. It's very criminal !

[RhodeIslandOne]

28. You better read up on the law

Do you know just raising your fist at someone constitutes assault in most places? Battery is connecting on it. Assault is the mere action of coming at someone with intent.

If someone dragged their partner off a bed and cracked their head on the floor or an end table you don’t think that would be actionable? Regardless they are grabbing them against their will.

How old are you? How long have you lived under a rock that you don’t realize this has been law for a hell of a long time? At least since beating your spouse became a social no-no.

[pnwmom]

31. According to her, he was dragging her by her feet. That would mean she would

have fallen to the floor if he kept dragging. It would have put her off balance and unable to stand up.

Of course this would have been a kind of assault, if it happened.

[stonecutter357]

32. WOW!

[2naSalit]

2. Didn't she change her story

regarding the details last week? I recall reading that she claims to have "proof" but won't let anyone see it. Sounds much like the additional charges flung at Al Franken. Only one had a picture of a joke but not contact. This one says she has video or something but refuses to produce it. If she's just making claims without actually filing formal charges, it sounds like a professional hit via media.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

3. Remember Al franken...Wheres don ivans taxes? Why hasn't don stepped down bc of his record w women?

[dflprincess]

8. She claims to have video of the incident but refuses to release it

or even show it to just a couple of reporters without making it public. Where the video is, remains a question (it was on a laptop, it was on a memory stick that's in a box in a storage facility, she can't find it etc)

I've never been a big Ellison fan (and my opinion didn't improve when he was happy to throw Al under the bus) but the Republican candidate for AG is an attorney for a group called "Alliance Defending Freedom" which has been classed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. I won't have a problem voting for Ellison.

[brush]

4. Someone is either bitter about a break-up or is getting paid to destroy a candidacy.

Plenty of "charges" but won't show alleged proof.

[ProudLib72]

5. Put up or shut up!

We know even allegations w/o a shred of proof can kill a Dem's chances.

[LAS14]

20. Even if she had proof, so what? Screaming obscenities? Trying to pull her off the bed????

I believe her. I just don't think we should care.

[moriah]

35. I'd be more concerned if it was "pull her out of a closet" or "onto a bed"...

... but the fact remains that you don't have to hit people to be abusing them.

I had to put it in those words to a friend whose husband tore her down, controlled who she saw, was mad if she had female friends over while he was gone, controlled the pursestrings over-much as she was pregnant and then taking care of their child... she'd been beaten before, and left that guy. This guy wasn't hitting her, knew she wouldn't allow that again, but was doing everything else. And hits to your ego hurt the soul.

It was going to be one of my last in-person conversations with her as I was about to move from the area, and I'd come over with a Snickers and a Dr Pepper (luxuries he didn't think she needed even every once in awhile plus were evidence of a visitor so was prepared to take the wrappers and bottle with me as usual)... and I pretty much said just that. "I do feel I need to say something, and it's all I am *going* to say... but not all abuse involves fists." She thanked me years later.

I don't know what happened here, and I certainly don't want people swiftboated. But even if we only criminalize physical abuse, it's not the only form and we should recognize that.

[IluvPitties]

6. This is not convincing. Hit job.

[Trust Buster]

7. Why wasn't Urban Meyer viewed similarly on DU ?

He wasn’t involved in a his assistant coach’s marriage at all yet many on DU wanted him fired. Could this be hypocrisy ?

[kcr]

9. Could it? Huh? Could pancakes be like submarines?

[stonecutter357]

33. urban meyer admits to lying and DU has the hypocrisy ?

[Trust Buster]

39. Urban never admitted to lying at all.

His assistant coach had issues with his wife and many on DU called for his firing. Ellison is directly involved in domestic abuse allegations and the same DU members shrug their shoulders and want him to become the top law enforcement official in the state of Minnesota. Sorry, that is ridiculous hypocrisy.

[still_one]

10. Did she file a police report? If not I suspect this is bullshit

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[2naSalit]

11. +1

[LAS14]

14. A police report for getting pulled on a bed? Give me a break! nt

[stonecutter357]

30. I would definitely fill out a police report for getting pulled off a bed !

[still_one]

40. excuse me pulling them out of their bed is abuse. I don't know if that act caused her to hit the

floor, or even run the risk of hitting her head, but physically mishandling someone with force is abuse.

The question is whether it is even true or not, and I question that since she said she supposedly had tapes, but refused to released them.

She sounds like a Tom Arnold to me. All hyperbole without anything to back up her statements.

Keith Ellison doesn't seem to be too concerned about the supposed accusation.

[msongs]

12. who would want to abuse these -

narcissus blossoms

[oberliner]

15. Are you saying she is lying?

Or that his behavior, as described by her, is not a big deal?

[RhodeIslandOne]

17. She has changed her story several times

She claimed she had a video of it, now claims she was hacked and refuses to show the video either way.

So yeah, I think she's deceptive. What of it?

[LisaL]

22. Yep, it's pretty murky.

The last paragraph of the OP article talks about the supposed video. There are multiple stories of what supposedly happened to the video, it was either misplaced, or she doesn't believe victims have to provide videos, or she her computer was hacked.

[Power 2 the People]

37. Agreed

[LAS14]

19. I'm saying it's not a big deal. I believer her, sure. I just don't...

...think it rises to the level of public concern. This is nuts. Screamed obscenities at her???? Once????

[wellst0nev0ter]

41. You're the living embodiment

of this horrifying statement at the end:

“Unfortunately, this wave of women being believed is so new, we haven’t figured out how to nuance it,” she said. But if that was the cost of the public reckoning about the abuse of women, she said, it was worth it.

[wellst0nev0ter]

42. Also, Monahan is an evil stepmother

That is, if you believe EVERYTHING any woman has to say unconditionally and without proof.

In 2010, Mr. Ellison and his wife, Kim Ellison, separated and eventually divorced. Ms. Ellison said in an interview that they remain close and that she has never seen him behave abusively. In 2015, Ms. Monahan moved in with Mr. Ellison and his teenage daughter, Amirah.

Amirah said in a public Facebook post that Ms. Monahan “quickly became actively territorial and threatening towards me.” Once, when she came home from college, Amirah said, she found that her bedroom had been turned into a storage closet for Ms. Monahan’s things and that Ms. Monahan falsely accused her of destroying her possessions.

“Many people — including, probably, many people reading these words — believe Karen,” Amirah wrote. “That reality both gives me hope for the beautiful momentum that the #metoo movement has built, and a profound anger at the injustice of these false accusations. But Karen Monahan is exploiting a movement.”

Ms. Monahan said Amirah’s account was untrue.

[David__77]

38. I neither believe nor disbelieve her assertions of fact.

I do think he has an ex who has resentment toward him.