Interesting tweet from Ragnarok Lobster ‏(I think most of us here know who he is):

[George II]

Link to tweet

[Cracklin Charlie]

1. Bernie stealing thunder?

You don’t say!

[ancianita]

20. Not at all. Nope. Bernie, who votes with Dems more than registered Dems do, supports our party

values. He's the FDR wing value man that Dems in the South can't claim. Not yet.

Bernie chose the Independent label for a reason that is NOT anti-Democratic Party.

Bernie keeps his country liberal where regionally, culturally stigmatized Dems cannot. When he talks hard line progressivism, the hardliners of the right admire and respect that.

He AND GILLUM keep the conservatives thinking, thinking, and they gradually move that guilt-ridden right to the center to get the women's vote, white vote, religious vote, labor vote and youth vote in the privacy of the election booth.

That's good campaigning.

[mountain grammy]

28. Exactly!

Thank you..

[brooklynite]

31. Are you suggesting that Gwen Graham didn't support our "party values"?

[ancianita]

32. Are you suggesting that I'm suggesting that? What do you think. Be honest.

[brooklynite]

33. You're applying "Party Values" as a motive for Sanders involving himself in a Party Primary...

[ancianita]

43. Bernie says he caucuses with the Democrats, remember? That's campaign support.

I don't see anyone who can energize non-voters and right of center voters better than these two.

Do you see another Democrat to stump with Gillum?

Say who.

[mountain grammy]

60. crickets.....

[Cha]

72. Andrew Gillum gave credit to the Barack Obama Wing, The Hillary Clinton Wing and

the Sanders wing last night on CNN.

Gillum was just interviewed on CNN - he said this was a win for "the Barack Obama wing.....

....the Hillary Clinton wing, and the Sanders wing of the Democratic Party."

They also did an analysis on CNN of the victory, and say it was because of the overwhelming black turnout for him in the state.

It's a truly broad-based win for the entire Democratic Party and Gillum.

George https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2146130

AG is a Uniter Not a Divider.. he's not giving BS sole credit.

[ancianita]

85. Nobody here hinted that he is. He did well. Let's agree on the obvious.

[Cha]

90. Good. Because AG is a Uniter Not a Divider.

[ancianita]

94. He's not, and for people to divide here on the worth of someone like Bernie, who AG supports and

who supports AG back, is divisive bullshit.

[Cha]

100. Nah.. we're just putting the facts out there that AG

gives credit to all who supported him.. like ".. The Barack Obama wing, the Hillary Wing, and the BS wing.."

And, All the Black Voters who GOTV en masse to vote for Andrew.

Link to tweet

[ancianita]

110. NAH? Who's "we," then. "Uniters" who wait for any pretext to jump on Bernie, eh? Don't drag "bro"

trolling over here from twitter, either. That place is toxic.

[erlewyne]

34. I sure like Bernie better than Lieberman

The Democratic party is a big tent.

EW

[NCTraveler]

61. Neither is a Democrat.

Very little surprises me around here.

[LiberalLovinLug]

53. +1000

[Cha]

65. If BS votes so much with Dems.. why did he throw an insult

at them recently.. saying that they were the party of "the 1% and Not of Working People"?

That doesn't make sense Since "he votes with them" so much.

[ancianita]

80. Are you saying he's lying? That Dems don't vote for corporate interests? Don't take 1%'s money?

Do you have a facts and links for this?

Should I be insulted that you present no facts or links to back up this one-off "he-said" about an Independent who caucuses with the Party?

Do you think taking insult over a fact-based statement is appropriate?

Are you trying to start an in-house, conflict driven wedge using Bernie?

Do you speak for only the purist Democrats, yourself, or all of DU when you use the word "insult"?

How about the idea that any mostly true statement that you don't like about the establishment Democratic Party is more the truism of money in politics. If you take insult, are you insisting that the party can't help BUT take money from the 1%? That the party should take money from the 1%?

Or are you only saying it's an insult when it comes from Bernie.

Hear me.
I support those who support Democrats, whom I support 100%.
So does Bernie.

"Support" for anyone doesn't mean one has to agree with all that they say or do.

I support your inclination to take insult. That doesn't mean I have to agree with you.

[Cha]

83. BS is WRONG.. The Democratic Party is NOT the Party of 1% and

and is the Party of WORKERS.

[ancianita]

86. So talk to Bernie, tell him not to overlook union support. One statement does not an enemy make.

[Cha]

89. No, there was plenty of Pushback on Twitter over that wrongheaded

statement of his.

[ancianita]

96. So why drag that over here. You serve no good purpose by doing so.

[Cha]

102. BS needs to be held accountable for his Words. Words matter.

.

[ancianita]

107. Nah. You need to be accountable for your words. Bernie may misstate, but he don't lie.

This double standard of perfection is divisive bullshit.

[ehrnst]

121. No politician, especially a longtime career politician, is innocent of lying.

Like televangelists, many often start to believe everything that comes out of their mouth to be, by definition, Truth.

But claiming something to be true, especially after being shown evidence to the contrary, and lashing out at those who present the evidence, is itself dishonest.

If one has convinced one's fans that dissent of any kind from any source is "corrupt" and an "attack," that is also dishonest.

When one does not address or correct false wild rumors are running among one's supporters claiming one's political rivals are literally beating one up, then one is being dishonest for one's own gain, no matter how wronged one feels.

[emulatorloo]

140. "Bernie blames Hillary for allowing Russian interference"

Bernie blames Hillary for allowing Russian interference
The senator and his top political adviser also denied Mueller's assertion that Russian actors backed his campaign.
By EDWARD-ISAAC DOVERE 02/21/2018 06:45 PM EST Updated 02/21/2018 09:48 PM EST

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/21/bernie-sanders-trump-russia-interference-420528

Bernie Sanders on Wednesday blamed Hillary Clinton for not doing more to stop the Russian attack on the last presidential election. Then his 2016 campaign manager, in an interview with POLITICO, said he’s seen no evidence to support special counsel Robert Mueller's assertion in an indictment last week that the Russian operation had backed Sanders' campaign.

The remarks showed Sanders, running for a third term and currently considered a front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020, deeply defensive in response to questions posed to him about what was laid out in the indictment. He attempted to thread a response that blasts Donald Trump for refusing to acknowledge that Russians helped his campaign — but then holds himself harmless for a nearly identical denial.

Bernie Sanders on Wednesday blamed Hillary Clinton for not doing more to stop the Russian attack on the last presidential election. Then his 2016 campaign manager, in an interview with POLITICO, said he’s seen no evidence to support special counsel Robert Mueller's assertion in an indictment last week that the Russian operation had backed Sanders' campaign.

The remarks showed Sanders, running for a third term and currently considered a front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020, deeply defensive in response to questions posed to him about what was laid out in the indictment. He attempted to thread a response that blasts Donald Trump for refusing to acknowledge that Russians helped his campaign — but then holds himself harmless for a nearly identical denial.

<more at link>

[OilemFirchen]

99. If the 1% is doling out money, I'd prefer it go to Democrats.

You got a problem with that?

[ancianita]

106. Reread. Cha does, not me. Dems take money from both workers and the 1%. Bernie & I know this.

You got a problem with that?

[OilemFirchen]

111. Sanders' biggest campaign contribution came from Alphabet, Inc.

Gillum's came from George and Alex Soros.

Gwen Graham's came from Emily's List.

That tree you're barking up? Not even in the right fucking forest.

[ancianita]

112. Re. Read. People here use a pretext for jumping on Bernie, even when a winning Dem uses him

for progressive campaigns.

I'm not going to be negatively framed by Cha or anyone else here. And neither should Bernie be.

By your numbers you're saying that they ALL take 1%-er money. So then the "insult" is pretty damned moot, isn't it. Barking up a tree, indeed.

They need to be fair, not constantly find some pretext for casting shade on an Independent who caucuses with this party. That's the right forest. I'm in the right forest, dude.

So you need not make this sorting out about me any more than anyone else here.

[OilemFirchen]

113. The "insult" isn't moot at all.

It was inappropriate, divisive and, as I've indicated, duplicitous.

FTR, you're making it about you.

[ancianita]

118. We're cool then.

[Cha]

129. Excellent description of the "insult", Oilem.

It was inappropriate, divisive and, as I've indicated, duplicitous.

The poster said BS voted with the Dems all the time.. so I asked.. Why does he throw shade on them with ridiculous statements like his.. "The Democratic Party is the party of 1% and Not the party of Workers" jab if he's such a big Dem Voter?

Which btw.. all kinds of Dem Workers tweeted that they were in the Democratic Party! He just pissed them off.

Thank You

[ehrnst]

123. Pointing out facts is not "casting shade."

Sanders has no issue endorsing certain candidates who take large donations from out-of-state billionaires (the 1%).

Tom Perriello and Andrew Gillum are two.

Anyone who does, and dissents with Sanders at all, is criticized for their "ties to the billionaire class."

It used to be "millionaire class" but then he became a millionaire.

[George II]

146. Are you implying, or saying outright, that Sanders doesn't take money from 1%-ers?

[ehrnst]

122. You certainly don't sound like you support the Democratic party. (nt)

[George II]

145. Interesting, your first twelve sentences are questions (the 9th and 12th are sans "?" )

[George II]

114. At his current income/net worth level, he's in the 1% himself.

Interesting how, as people like to say, "the goal posts move". On the one hand he consistently votes with the Democrats, but on the other hand they're bad because they're the party of the 1%. It has my head spinning sometimes.

[Cha]

125. Oh, BS is in the "1%"? Funny he never mentions that when he's

dogging the Democratic Party about "1%".

It's ridiculous.. we know what's going on here.

[George II]

130. The number changes from year to year. Two years ago it was high $200K, some estimates...

..are now $350K.

[MyNameGoesHere]

68. Yep

Of it walks like a duck. Looks like a duck. And quacks like a "Ribbet!".. Hey Wtf was that?

[guillaumeb]

101. A superb response.

Please consider making it a stand alone post.

[CentralMass]

154. Well said.

[pnwmom]

134. He saw the wave coming so he hopped on. n/t

[George II]

147. Bazinga!

[TCJ70]

158. Do you have an example of him taking credit? Or just things other people not named...

...Bernie Sanders have said?

[Gothmog]

2. I love this tweet also

[lunamagica]

3. Exactly. Didn't Sanders lose FL? How much influence could he have there? And since when do

black voters care what Sanders say?

[ancianita]

44. I know plenty, starting with the Killer Mike fans.

[NCTraveler]

63. That is an extremely strange response. nt

[ancianita]

116. Seriously? To the statement, "since when do black voters care what Sanders say?" ?

Did you miss Killer Mike's constant stumping with Sanders and his appearance on Bill Maher to get out the black vote?

Beyond that, though -- has anyone thought that a black candidate like AG might want a popular white politician to help them get white votes in an historically racist state?

[ehrnst]

124. Killer Mike is not "the black vote," nor is he representative of "the black vote."

Especially in Florida, and especially with women (who were the backbone of Gillum's support). And where did you hear that Andrew Gillium asked for Sanders' endorsement?

Do you have a link?

Because it wasn't a popular white politician who was on the mailers for the campaign. Sanders was one of the last to endorse Gillum- it was August.

[ancianita]

128. I didn't make either claim. I answered Lunamagica's question with a fact. You called it "strange."

Killer Mike doesn't claim to represent the black vote. But did try to get out the black vote, and black voters listened. There's more than one of these videos.

The Florida Democratic Progressives endorsed Gillum. And so what if Bernie stumped with him. Did any Florida progressives? I haven't seen anything about their stumping for him. So why quibble about something I didn't say.

In this thread I said I support any progressives who support Democrats, and I don't support spinning their support in a negative light. That's what I said.

[ehrnst]

138. First, you are confusing posts from different people

I didn't call anything 'strange."

Second, yes, you presented Killer Mike as a rebuttal to a comment about black voters not being historically Sanders supporters. Furthermore, black women were the big force behind Gillum, and that is not a historical base that goes for Bernie. He certainly doesn't have that base in 98% white Vermont, so it's not really surprising, as he hasn't needed politically to connect with them to prior to 2016.

Third, still waiting for that source that says that Andrew Gillum 'asked' Bernie for an endorsement, rather than accepting it when it was offered. I think that might a wishful assumption on your part, but I'm willing to see what your source is.

I haven't seen anything about their stumping for him. So why quibble about something I didn't say.

I think you may be confusing the various people you are arguing with again... Not sure where you got that from what I said.

I don't support or dismiss a politician simply because of who they endorse. I support politicians based on their actions, their words and their efficacy, and who endorses them means more to me than who they endorse. That also extends to politicians who are not my reps. There are some whose words, strength and attitude I adore - Maxine Waters, for instance. I've had the privilege of working with a few that I truly admire, Paul Wellstone, Barney Frank, and Senator Clinton. There are others who grate on my nerves, but I think they do a great job, and get legislation moving.

So, no, someone hopping out in front of a parade when it's just about over and claims to have led it doesn't win me over. Especially when they didn't appear in any of the campaign fliers.

Get back to us with that source on Gillum going to Bernie first, Ok?

[ancianita]

168. First, you're probably right on the confusion. Last, I never claimed Gillum went to Bernie.

[ehrnst]

149. Well, I see Bernie is trying some outreach with the fundraiser.

[LiberalLovinLug]

57. Maybe you should read this article

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/09/12/its-time-to-end-the-myth-that-black-voters-dont-like-bernie-sanders/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.97c5455922f9

It’s time to end the myth that black voters don’t like Bernie Sanders

Last spring, a Harvard-Harris poll found Sanders to be the most popular active politician in the country. African Americans gave the senator the highest favorables at 73 percent — vs. 68 percent among Latinos, 62 percent among Asian Americans and 52 percent among white voters. It wasn’t a fluke: This August, black voters again reported a 73 percent favorability rating for Sanders. Critics, such as Starr, continue to point to the senator’s 2016 primary numbers among older African American voters to claim that his message somehow doesn’t resonate with people of color as a whole — and continue to ignore that, according to GenForward, Sanders won the black millennial vote in the primaries.

This OP tweet is flame baiting, first off. So "some" are giving Sanders credit for the win? Not Sanders, but "some" obscure group of individuals who he can't quite name. And even if there are "some" that have, why even bring it up? So what if there are more ardent vocal supporters who speak up for him? Why go out of his way to help create some big divisive and false narrative, giving more ammunition to the Bernie haters to piss on one of our most important weapons against Trump and being unified and winning in November? This kind of tweet should be put in the rubble pile where it belongs.

[mountain grammy]

58. Well said!

Thank you.

[lunamagica]

73. Sanders lost FL and lost the black vote. That is a fact

[mountain grammy]

76. My response to you:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211068622

[ehrnst]

126. That doesn't dispute what lunamagica said at all. (nt)

[lunamagica]

69. I don't go by articles or polls. The only thing that matters are votes. Black voters

especially blak women were Hillary's base and voted for her in overwhelming numbers. That is a fact, and it was her base who gave Guillium the victory, not Sanders supporters.

You know who are the ones creating divisiveness? Those who are taking a historic night for the black community in FL, being this the first time the state has a black candidate for governor, which is a big BIG deal and are calling it "A win for Sanders". Shame on them!

[progressoid]

136. Between 2012 and 2016, black voter turnout fell 4.7 percent.

A new study co-authored by political science professors and a policy analyst from the think tank Demos finds that Donald Trump’s electoral college victory in November depended heavily on an increase in white voter turnout and an even bigger decrease in turnout among African-American voters—particularly in the key swing states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

Comparing data from the voter file vendor Catalist and the U.S. Census Bureau, the researchers concluded: “Without those shifts in turnout from various racial and ethnic groups, these pivotal states might have gone not to Trump but to Clinton — giving Clinton an electoral college victory.”

The study, published Monday in the Washington Post‘s Monkey Cage blog, found that between 2012 and 2016, white voter turnout jumped 2.4 percent nationally, while black voter turnout fell 4.7 percent.

The split was even more dramatic in the midwestern states that tipped the scales for Trump. In Ohio, black voter turnout dropped 7.5 percent; in Wisconsin, it declined 12.3 percent; and in Michigan, it was down 12.4 percent.


[/]

[lapucelle]

155. The Voting Rights Act was "revised" (gutted) in 2013. N/T

[LiberalLovinLug]

148. No one has called it "A win for Sanders"

Shame on those that would. I'm sure Sanders himself would decry that headline.

And shame on those that promote that false narrative which only plays into the GOP and Putin's playbook to divide left/center Democrats against more right/center Democrats.

You know, a voting station is sometimes called a polling station for good reason. It is the final POLL on the candidates. You don't have to look at polls as a habit. But one can sometimes get a read off of them, especially if more than one says roughly the same thing. It is a myth that Black voters reject Sanders, and why would they? He promotes many programs and law changes that would help them. Guess what?..they also are/were big Hillary supporters. The two don't have to be mutually exclusive. Why is that concept so difficult?

Or 'some' unnamed pundits said Bernie was instrumental in him winning. Or even that Sanders may have just gotten him over the hump. All that is is some unnamed straw man invented to make some Democrats mad. Don't get mad. Political pundits say all kinds of things. So what? You know, and I know, it was the black community that stepped up and voted overwhelmingly for him, and without that vote he would not be a candidate. If some pundit with time on their hands has to also include the periphery players that also helped him, so be it. You don't have to dwell on. Like Ragnarok Lobster was, but I noticed he softened his tone in a later tweet.

And yes, I celebrate with you on this watershed moment of the first black candidate for governor for Florida!

Go Dems Go!

[Cha]

67. Black Voters came out in Full Force to vote for Andrew Gillum..

especially Black Women.. our Democratic Base. They're all over Twitter saying it had nothing to do with BS endorsing Andrew.

Luna

[Cha]

92. On Twitter Not so much.

[Blue_Adept]

4. Bernie who?

womp womp

[mcar]

5. Gillum won because he ran a great grassroots campaign

And got the votes of the base of our party.

[Native]

24. Exactly. He ran a fabulous campaign and worked very, very hard for this win.

And I loved his interview this morning on Morning Joe. Listening to him, you can clearly see why he's so appealing to so many voters.
https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/andrew-gillum-focuses-on-issues-of-everyday-floridians-1308796995937?v=railb

[mcar]

40. Great interview!

Can you imagine how little sleep he got last night? An impressive command of issues.

[exboyfil]

27. I never heard of him before today

but I liked his speech and I like his background (first in his family to go to college like me).

Wish him the best and maybe he can drag Nelson along with him. That campaign could use some of the energy.

[sheshe2]

6. Awesome tweet from Ragnarok Lobster.

Seems to be the case.

[mountain grammy]

59. Not according to Gillum himself

who thanked Bernie for his support..

[Cha]

71. Of course Andrew thanked BS.. AG is a Uniter Not a Divider.. he also

said on CNN last night..

Gillum was just interviewed on CNN - he said this was a win for "the Barack Obama wing.....

....the Hillary Clinton wing, and the Sanders wing of the Democratic Party."

They also did an analysis on CNN of the victory, and say it was because of the overwhelming black turnout for him in the state.

It's a truly broad-based win for the entire Democratic Party and Gillum.

George https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2146130

[QC]

87. What could he possibly know?

[Maven]

7. ...

Link to tweet

[workinclasszero]

11. Yeah

[ancianita]

19. Don't kid yourself. He very well knows Gillum supports Hillary.Your shade isn't what Bernie's about.

Last edited Wed Aug 29, 2018, 03:22 PM - Edit history (1)

[Cha]

74. Retweeted and LIKED!!! Mahalo, Maven!

[Maven]

79. Nice to see you Cha!

[Maven]

8. .....

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

9. Another tweet from Ragnarok Lobster

Link to tweet

[sheshe2]

120. Boom.

[ProfessorGAC]

10. Confused

This thread shows Andrew tweeting to BS thanking him for his help.
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100211066561

[R B Garr]

12. It's not confusing. Gillum is an inclusive politician who also acknowledged

Debbie Wasserman-Shultz's tweet. Then again, being inclusive might be confusing to some who are used to the divisive stances taken by those who wish to divide Democrats into "corporations" "establishment" yada yada as we've seen in the past couple years especially.

He specifically said this is a win for the Obama coalition, too. Etc., he recognized all Democrats. Very impressive.

[ProfessorGAC]

25. Didn't Say Otherwise

I think the point is being totally missed.

[George II]

15. Gillum most certainly didn't say that he did it ONLY because of him.

Both Tom Steyer (approximately $1M) and George Soros (approximately $500K) contributed generously to Gillum's campaign, and no doubt Gillum feels that he couldn't have done it without their help, either.

Gillum is a polished, intelligent, astute politician. He knows who needs what in his circle of supporters.

[ProfessorGAC]

23. Never Said He Did

Putting words in my mouth is hardly a way to continue the conversation.

[George II]

29. And Lobster Ragnarok also said "SOME" (capitalization mine), not ALL.

[LanternWaste]

17. If you believe the one denies the other, that would explain your confusion.

However, the one does not in fact, deny the other.

[ProfessorGAC]

22. I Believe It Is You That Is Confused

Otherwise my point would not have completely eluded you.

[pnwmom]

135. Andrew is a smart politician who campaigned for Hillary and served as her delegate

and knew enough to thank Bernie for his eventual endorsement.

[tonedevil]

13. It looks like Mr. Gillum...

is one on of the people Mr. Lobster is criticizing.

Link to tweet

(Text for those who eschew Twitter)

@AndrewGillum
We could not have done it without you, Senator @BernieSanders. Let’s win in November! #BringItHome

@BernieSanders
Congratulations to @AndrewGillum on his victory. Tonight, Floridians joined Andrew in standing up and demanding real change and showed our nation what is possible when we stand together. Let's make history this November and make Andrew Gillum the next Governor of Florida.

[George II]

14. No he's not. Please read his tweet again.

[tonedevil]

16. Do you think I didn't read it?

Mr. Lobster says: Interesting: some are giving Bernie Sanders credit for Andrew Gillum's late surge while black voters in Florida say they didn't know Bernie had endorsed him.

Mr. Gillum says: We could not have done it without you, Senator @BernieSanders. Let’s win in November! #BringItHome

If you don't think Mr. Gillum is giveing Senator Sanders credit, what do you think he is doing?

[George II]

21. Mayor Gillum didn't say that he won ONLY because of Sanders' support. I'm sure Mayor Gillum....

....feels that he also couldn't have done it without the support of Representatives Alcee Hastings, Frederica Wilson, Luis Gutierrez, Ro Khanna, and Julian Castro, and many many more. And those many more include Tom Steyer and George Soros, who combined invested more than $1.5 million in his campaign.

A grass roots campaign relies on the support of hundreds or thousands of supporters, who assist the campaign in many ways.

[melman]

49. "Mayor Gillum didn't say that he won ONLY because of Sanders' support"

Nor did anyone else. That's a straw man.

also

"I'm sure Mayor Gillum feels..."


You are? You're sure he feels that way? How nice.

[progressoid]

26. Gillum was just being polite.

No, I don't actually believe that. But that's the excuse a lot of people here have been using. :eyeroll:

[QC]

133. Being trapped in the past can do bizarre things to people. n/t

[mountain grammy]

36. Thank you.. and thank you Andrew Gillum and Bernie Sanders

Go soak in butter, Mr. Lobster.. whoever the hell you are and quit trying to cause trouble in a united Democratic victory in Florida, where the loser immediately endorsed the winner and the winner, oh the horrors, thanked Bernie Sanders.

[ancianita]

50. Amen, sista.

[underthematrix]

54. I retweeted this one because Gillum understands his role as leader is to keep us

focused on the prize and our common purpose, which is to get our govt back from the Russians.

[flying_wahini]

18. I bet GOP released that tidbit thinking Hillary fans wouldn't vote for him.

Maybe?

[fishwax]

30. where do we see that African American voters in Florida didn't know Sanders endorsed him?

I can't find anything to support that in the article. It seems like an odd point to speculate. More than that, though, I can't figure out why that would be a point to emphasize here. Gillum won a historic victory and will win another historic victory in November. Sanders supported Gillum, and it's hard to imagine that this support didn't help at all. Congrats to Gillum and his supporters.

[BamaRefugee]

35. Pretty sure I read that Gillum HIMSELF didn't know Sansers supported him.

[fishwax]

39. you read that on DU?

[progressoid]

48. Hahaha

[mountain grammy]

62. ......

Go Gillum! Go Bernie! Take back Florida.

[LiberalLovinLug]

64. FAKE NEWS! FAKE NEWS!

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[QC]

119. GODDAMMIT THAT'S PHOTOSHOPPED!!!!!

[progressoid]

137. Hahaha

[mountain grammy]

37. Anything to cause trouble and sow division.. right here on DU.

Shame when this is such an unexpected and joyful victory..

[fishwax]

38. it's a weird parade to rain on, for sure

[mountain grammy]

42. I know, right?

[watoos]

45. Well said granny,

I for one do want to rehash the Hillary/Bernie primary. I think this thread does nothing but sow division in our party. Great win by a great candidate.

[ancianita]

51. I get so sick of shade casting bullshit here.

[Autumn]

127. The Democrats I know in FL are all very well informed,

they pay attention. I find it impossible to believe that African American voters in Florida didn't know Sanders endorsed him, and insulting to our AA Brothers and Sisters who came out to vote for him.

[salin]

41. Your first reference - a question:

Are you saying that you think most of us a familiar with this tweeter? Or that most of us are familiar with who the Tweeter is? (I don't know either.)

[George II]

46. He's a very popular, outspoken progressive. Click on the tweet and you can read his feed.

[salin]

47. Thanks for the tip.

[melman]

52. lol

Yeah he's outspoken all right.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Great guy.

[George II]

66. One word: sarcasm. You have to get to know the guy.

[melman]

70. No it's not

And no I don't. I already know more than enough about him.

[George II]

77. Whatevs

[melman]

78. No not whatevs. Those are vile tweets.

[ismnotwasm]

82. Hey! It's you!

[melman]

84. Yeah it's me

Whatever that means.


What do you think of those tweets?

[ismnotwasm]

88. Put them In context and I'll tell you.

[melman]

91. Really

Like there's a context that could make those acceptable.


But you don't need me to do that anyway. Those are not screenshots. All of those tweet are still 'live'. Click and see.

[ismnotwasm]

93. I know.

Put them in context

[melman]

95. Lame

What context could make that kind of ugly misogyny acceptable? The answer is none and you know it.

[ismnotwasm]

98. You asked for my opinion. I told you what to do to get it.

[melman]

104. No

What you did is duck the question about the tweets.


You won't say you support them because you know they're unsupportable.


But you also won't condemn them because...well I don't really know why. I could speculate but I don't really know.


Doesn't really matter though. You just won't. And that's pretty sad.

[ismnotwasm]

108. Do you want my opinion or not? If you don't don't ask for it.

[melman]

132. Not really

I think you've made it quite clear. A man calls a 9 year old girl with Down Syndrome a slut and you need more 'context' to know what to think about it.

That's more than enough information for me, thanks. I'm all set.

[ismnotwasm]

141. Sure you are.

[betsuni]

151. Oh, melman.

[melman]

166. So then you find those tweets acceptable?

Okay. That's kind of gross but thanks for checking in.

[George II]

105. I've been asked the significance of the first gif in my signature. Any questions?

[ismnotwasm]

109. Heh!

[Autumn]

139. Wow. That's ugly

[ismnotwasm]

142. And do YOU care about context?

[Autumn]

144. I fail to see how those words should be acceptable to any woman

in any context, Feminists or not. As far as I'm concerned any man who talks like that is a pig, just like Trump. YOUR mileage obviously varies.

[Gothmog]

56. I have been following this poster for a while

[Recursion]

55. That sounds like a winning strategy: enough Bernie to make the bros happy

But not so much Bernie that the campaign's representational story is lost

[ismnotwasm]

75. Yup.

[Cha]

81. Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum rode a late surge of African-American voters to an upset victory in

Link to tweet

Thanks, George!

[Gothmog]

97. From Joan Walsh

Link to tweet

[Cha]

103. Mahalo, Goth! Love the way Joan puts this..

Link to tweet

[NurseJackie]

150. I hope people will donate DIRECTLY to Gillum, and avoid...

I hope people will donate DIRECTLY to Gillum, and avoid any possible schemes that are likely to crop up. In the past, I've seen how an entity will make it appear that the donation benefits the headlining candidate of the day... but in reality, only a portion of the donation actually reaches the candidate. With this "split" donation scheme, the remainder goes right in the pocket of someone OTHER than the actual candidate.

All I'm saying is that this really doesn't seem to be fair, and it people should always be careful and suspicious of people asking for money "on behalf" of a popular candidate. Always give DIRECTLY to the candidate, not a "third-party" fundraiser, if you want your donation to have the biggest impact.

[Cha]

152. Yes, if people want to donate to Andrew Gillum

they should donate directly to him. Not through some middleman's fundraising.

Tom Steyer and George Soros donated lots of money to AG and we love them for it!

Jackie!

[NurseJackie]

153. When you get a "middleman" involved, a large portion of the original donation NEVER arrives...

When you get a "middleman" involved, a large portion of the original donation NEVER arrives to directly benefit the candidate.

The skimming can be 50% OR MORE, depending, so that's why it's always best to donate DIRECTLY for the most effective use of your money.

I'm just trying to say that this "skimming" scheme... where third party fundraisers try to PROFIT off of someone's newsworthiness and popularity... well... in my opinion, it's just dishonest and cynical and opportunistic. I just want people to be aware, and careful.

[Cha]

156. It's disgusting as usual

[NurseJackie]

161. There are many ways to profit from someone ELSE'S achievements...

... like taking credit for someone's hard work AND by trying to stick one's dirty fingers into a popular candidate's cash stream as the donations begin to flow in.

You're right... it IS pretty disgusting that dishonest and opportunistic people would want to personally profit and take advantage of the situation.

All I'm saying is that these VULTURES are everywhere (ie: disaster relief, vets, politics, etc) and people need to be aware when donating.


(fig. 1: Vulture)

[TexasTowelie]

160. Who would do that?

[NurseJackie]

163. Vultures.

Disgusting vultures.

[Voltaire2]

115. Lulzd.

[George II]

117. https://www.democraticunderground.com/?comview_post&forum1014&pid2146230

[panader0]

131. Independents are now about 43% of the voters.

Almost 20 % more than Dems or Reps.
Perhaps it would be wise to court these voters instead of trying to drive them
away.

[emulatorloo]

143. Some independents lean Republican. Some lean Democratic.

Republican leaning independents vote for Republicans. Independents aren’t monolithic. We need to target Dem leaning independents. The Republican ones don’t vote for Democrats.

[redgreenandblue]

157. Interesting time to stir up negativity.

Why can't have a victory without a certain crowd generating divisiveness?

Makes one wonder....

[MaryMagdaline]

159. Let's all get along

The Sanders endorsement is not a big thing with many black voters but it is a big thing among the 4 million plus independents in Florida who could not vote in either primary. It will help Gillum with millenials. He was a Clinton delegate endorsed by Bernie. Let’s embrace that! If in fact sanders is “taking credit,” Gillum is not going to object. Sanders’ embracing a winner will NOT hurt the campaign. It can only help.

[Gothmog]

162. From Lawrence O'Donnel

Link to tweet

[George II]

164. +1

[muriel_volestrangler]

165. That's a very uninformative tweet. Who are the "some"? Anyone we know? Who'd be knowledgable?

How did they each put it - "some of the credit", "a lot of the credit", "all the credit" or what?

The tweet means nothing. The Miami Herald article does, though. Since you chose to post the RL tweet, I assume you've some idea about the answers to my questions.

[aikoaiko]

167. What would we know Ragnarok Lobster from?