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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 09:28 AM Aug 2018

Student arrested for stealing 'Make America Great Again' hat, slapping teacher

A California teen is facing battery charges after a classroom confrontation over a Donald Trump “Make America Great Again” campaign hat. The sheriff’s office told KCRA one Union Mine High School student berated another student for wearing the hat with the president’s campaign slogan, grabbed it and threw it on the ground. “That’s a racist and hateful symbol,” the teen, identified as 17-year-old senior Jo-Ann Butler, said in cellphone footage of the incident.

A teacher asked Butler to leave the classroom, but the teen returned and removed the other student's hat for a second time. When a teacher tried to get between them, deputies said Butler slapped the teacher’s arm. She was taken to the El Dorado County Juvenile Hall and has been suspended from school for a week.

Her father said he does not approve of the way she behaved in class. “I don’t agree with grabbing someone’s hat and verbally talking to them in that way,” Chris Butler said. “But as far as the issue being brought up, maybe this is something that needs to be brought up.”

Brooke Peterson said her boyfriend was the one wearing the hat. "If you truly believe in something you have every right to express it in every way if you’re really passionate about it," Peterson said. Other students felt that school was not the place to flaunt political ideology. "I have my own views but I don’t tell people because of the problems it causes these days," said student Taylor Pearson.

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Student arrested for stealing 'Make America Great Again' hat, slapping teacher (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Aug 2018 OP
Don't put your hands on other people Watchfoxheadexplodes Aug 2018 #1
Regardless of what she may think of that hat, john657 Aug 2018 #2
I agree Hav Aug 2018 #4
You don't touch other people without their consent jberryhill Aug 2018 #11
Who is arguing otherwise? LanternWaste Aug 2018 #25
Did I say I was arguing with someone else? john657 Aug 2018 #34
The young lady needs to learn the difference between violent and non-violent bullwinkle428 Aug 2018 #3
The arrest was appropriate. She's old enough to know she needds to keep her hands to herself. WillowTree Aug 2018 #5
Perhaps she thought that those drumph rallies made it OK to do that? BSdetect Aug 2018 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #40
Why are they allowing students to wear hats indoors? jberryhill Aug 2018 #7
Deep south here Watchfoxheadexplodes Aug 2018 #8
Seriously? jberryhill Aug 2018 #10
When I was in high school rule was Watchfoxheadexplodes Aug 2018 #12
Kids are allowed to wear lots and lots of things to school now that we couldn't. WillowTree Aug 2018 #24
Yeah, but they can't smoke, lol jberryhill Aug 2018 #26
Things certainly have changed. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2018 #28
We couldn't wear sandals or culottes. WillowTree Aug 2018 #29
Oh, right; those too. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2018 #30
Kids can text in class? Good lord. Tipperary Aug 2018 #47
In the south, people wear caps indoors often. Blue_true Aug 2018 #35
The only logos/slogans appropriate Runningdawg Aug 2018 #32
That gets into First Amendment issues jberryhill Aug 2018 #33
I am a retired nurse Runningdawg Aug 2018 #36
Conditions of employment have nothing to do with students in schools jberryhill Aug 2018 #37
Schools and jobs both have dress codes Runningdawg Aug 2018 #41
That's not how the First Amendment works jberryhill Aug 2018 #42
So please explain how Runningdawg Aug 2018 #43
Simple jberryhill Aug 2018 #44
I don't know where you live Runningdawg Aug 2018 #45
I live in the United States, as do you jberryhill Aug 2018 #46
Kids need to learn to respect personal space and private property. IluvPitties Aug 2018 #9
Don't touch other peoples' stuff...nt 2naSalit Aug 2018 #13
... Solly Mack Aug 2018 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author john657 Aug 2018 #15
Yes, I know it's wrong to assault someone. Yes, I didn't need that explained. Solly Mack Aug 2018 #16
Sorry, I mis-interpreted your post wrong, I'll delete. N/T john657 Aug 2018 #17
No biggie. You didn't have to - my humor is a wee bit warped. Solly Mack Aug 2018 #18
That hat is like a Klan hat. David__77 Aug 2018 #19
Since when can students wear hats in school? blueinredohio Aug 2018 #20
They couldn't when I was in school. I guess times have changed. n/t Different Drummer Aug 2018 #23
I know, right? jberryhill Aug 2018 #27
We fought against dress codes. Now folks here are encouraging them. onenote Aug 2018 #38
We have very strict dress codes at our schools because gangs are a serious problem. hunter Aug 2018 #21
The student will face punishment. Hopefully very little punishment. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #22
Verbally tearing someone down is the right way to do it. Oneironaut Aug 2018 #31
Hats shouldn't be worn indoors. nt zanana1 Aug 2018 #39
When i was in high school, (my 50th reunion was this summer), panader0 Aug 2018 #48
 

john657

(1,058 posts)
2. Regardless of what she may think of that hat,
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 09:39 AM
Aug 2018

it is illegal to take others property and assault another person.
She should have just voiced her opinion and left it at that, instead, now she faces criminal charges and a suspension from school.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
4. I agree
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 09:46 AM
Aug 2018

but I have problems to accept that slapping away the arm of someone who got near you to separate you from someone else is assault with legal implications. It clearly shouldn't be done but the charges of assault seem too much.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
11. You don't touch other people without their consent
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 10:11 AM
Aug 2018

It is that simple. If someone is "too near to you", then move away or else stay where you are. But you don't touch other people without their consent. Period.
 

john657

(1,058 posts)
34. Did I say I was arguing with someone else?
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 07:01 PM
Aug 2018

I was expressing an opinion in response to the OP, but you seem to have taken it as if I were arguing with someone else.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
3. The young lady needs to learn the difference between violent and non-violent
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 09:44 AM
Aug 2018

protest. Having said that, I can't come down on her too hard - all of us did some pretty knuckle-headed shit when we were that age, whether we want to admit or not.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
5. The arrest was appropriate. She's old enough to know she needds to keep her hands to herself.
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 09:52 AM
Aug 2018

And I applaud her father for being real with her. Too many parents feel it's necessary to defend their kids' bad behavior.

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
6. Perhaps she thought that those drumph rallies made it OK to do that?
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 09:55 AM
Aug 2018

Remember the braggart threatening protesters and press people?

What an example he set.

No excuse but if I was her lawyer I'd try to use that somehow.

Response to BSdetect (Reply #6)

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
7. Why are they allowing students to wear hats indoors?
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 09:58 AM
Aug 2018

Is that normal?

Or have MAGA hats reached the level of religious headgear like yarmulkes, scarves and colanders?

Watchfoxheadexplodes

(3,496 posts)
12. When I was in high school rule was
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 10:13 AM
Aug 2018

Not in class but okay in building.

Quick text to my daughter confirmed one in class now backward baseball cap on.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
28. Things certainly have changed.
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 12:27 PM
Aug 2018

When I was in high school we girls couldn't even wear pants of any kind to school (let alone jeans) unless it was very cold; then you could wear them under your skirt or dress to go to and from school but you had to take them off and store them in your locker before you went to class. No sneakers or boots in class; no bare legs (you had to wear nylons); and skirts couldn't be above the knee. Tight tops, skin or bra straps showing were completely unheard-of (you'd die of shame if your bra strap showed). Boys couldn't wear jeans or t-shirts or any kind of cap or hat.

And, by the way, get off my lawn.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
29. We couldn't wear sandals or culottes.
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 12:32 PM
Aug 2018

And they actually did make girls kneel to see if the hem of our skirts would touch the floor.

I, for one, am glad that they've loosened up from those days, but I'm afraid that they may have over-corrected, as often happens.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
30. Oh, right; those too.
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 01:04 PM
Aug 2018

Culottes were ugly and made one look fat, so I never had a pair anyhow. But they were forbidden because they were pants-like (with a crotch! Girls weren't allowed to have crotches).

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
35. In the south, people wear caps indoors often.
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 07:27 PM
Aug 2018

I don't wear caps at all because they mess up my hair, but I have never considered wearing them inside to be inappropriate. Generally people take them off for solemn moments.

Runningdawg

(4,520 posts)
32. The only logos/slogans appropriate
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 02:01 PM
Aug 2018

For schoolware should be the schools logo/mascot. Short of uniforms its the only way to prevent this crap.

Runningdawg

(4,520 posts)
36. I am a retired nurse
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 10:56 PM
Aug 2018

At every single hospital I have ever worked for, the rule was no logos or slogans. I could wear a t-shirt with the hospital logo, but not one advertising the Red Cross, even designer logos were banned. All this to walk from you car to your locker to change into scrubs. You would think it if it were a violation of the 1st, someone, somewhere would have challenged it. They haven't.
IMO it would only violate the first if one person or group of people were allowed to wear logos/slogans and another group were not.

Runningdawg

(4,520 posts)
41. Schools and jobs both have dress codes
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 09:14 AM
Aug 2018

If a kid can wear a MAGA hat to school, I should be able to wear a pro choice t-shirt to my job in a catholic hospital.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
44. Simple
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 09:36 AM
Aug 2018

First off, private schools can do whatever they want.

Secondly, public schools without dress codes cannot police the expressive content on them. For example, one can have a rule that says “No hats except for religious headgear.” But if one is allowing hats, then you can’t selectively ban hats based on what words might be printed on them.

Your idea here - selectively banning hats with politically expressive content at a public school which apparently does not ban hats - is right out.

Runningdawg

(4,520 posts)
45. I don't know where you live
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 12:40 PM
Aug 2018

must be someplace extremely progressive because here PUBLIC schools can and do enforce dress codes. And the argument you are making is exactly why they do it and why they should continue to do it.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
46. I live in the United States, as do you
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 12:48 PM
Aug 2018

"because here PUBLIC schools can and do enforce dress codes"

Where I live, they also teach reading.

This is what I wrote:

"Secondly, public schools without dress codes cannot police the expressive content on them."

What that means is that if the public school does not have a dress code banning hats, then they cannot decide to allow some hats and not other hats.

Yes, a public school can have a dress code that says "no hats". A public school cannot have a dress code which allows hats, but regulates speech on the hats.

You might want to read some of the court cases on the subject, in order to determine how, in the United States, these types of issues are decided.

Indeed, I am sure that there are public schools which still think they can require children to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, and do. But "what people do" is generally not a good guide to "what the rules actually are".

IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)
9. Kids need to learn to respect personal space and private property.
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 10:06 AM
Aug 2018

Attacking people you don't agree with is never the answer.

Solly Mack

(90,773 posts)
14. ...
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 10:44 AM
Aug 2018
Union Mine High School student berated another student for wearing the hat with the president’s campaign slogan, grabbed it and threw it on the ground. “That’s a racist and hateful symbol,” the teen, identified as 17-year-old senior Jo-Ann Butler, said in cellphone footage of the incident.



Brooke Peterson said her boyfriend was the one wearing the hat. "If you truly believe in something you have every right to express it in every way if you’re really passionate about it," Peterson said

Response to Solly Mack (Reply #14)

Solly Mack

(90,773 posts)
16. Yes, I know it's wrong to assault someone. Yes, I didn't need that explained.
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 10:50 AM
Aug 2018

The comment was still funny considering what went down.



hunter

(38,317 posts)
21. We have very strict dress codes at our schools because gangs are a serious problem.
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 11:54 AM
Aug 2018

Elementary and middle schools have uniforms.

No gang colors allowed. Teachers send kids to the office for wearing the wrong color shoelaces.

Sounds like this school needs the same.

Even if hats are not covered by the school dress code, it's still the teacher's obligation to deal with any potentially disruptive article of clothing.

It's possible the supposed adults in this situation are Trump gangsters themselves.


 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
22. The student will face punishment. Hopefully very little punishment.
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 11:59 AM
Aug 2018

I still applaud her fighting back against the Klan. As she ages she will learn better ways to fight the oppressors.

Oneironaut

(5,504 posts)
31. Verbally tearing someone down is the right way to do it.
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 01:15 PM
Aug 2018

That’s as opposed to flipping out and attacking everyone around you like a wild animal. It’s good she’s passionate, but it sounds like she has a serious lack of emotional control.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
48. When i was in high school, (my 50th reunion was this summer),
Thu Aug 30, 2018, 08:35 PM
Aug 2018

stuff like this would have never even been noticed. Fistfights were common.
I'm not defending the perp here. But things have surely changed.

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