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A California teen is facing battery charges after a classroom confrontation over a Donald Trump Make America Great Again campaign hat. The sheriffs office told KCRA one Union Mine High School student berated another student for wearing the hat with the presidents campaign slogan, grabbed it and threw it on the ground. Thats a racist and hateful symbol, the teen, identified as 17-year-old senior Jo-Ann Butler, said in cellphone footage of the incident.
A teacher asked Butler to leave the classroom, but the teen returned and removed the other student's hat for a second time. When a teacher tried to get between them, deputies said Butler slapped the teachers arm. She was taken to the El Dorado County Juvenile Hall and has been suspended from school for a week.
Her father said he does not approve of the way she behaved in class. I dont agree with grabbing someones hat and verbally talking to them in that way, Chris Butler said. But as far as the issue being brought up, maybe this is something that needs to be brought up.
Brooke Peterson said her boyfriend was the one wearing the hat. "If you truly believe in something you have every right to express it in every way if youre really passionate about it," Peterson said. Other students felt that school was not the place to flaunt political ideology. "I have my own views but I dont tell people because of the problems it causes these days," said student Taylor Pearson.
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Watchfoxheadexplodes
(3,496 posts)Or their damn property.
john657
(1,058 posts)it is illegal to take others property and assault another person.
She should have just voiced her opinion and left it at that, instead, now she faces criminal charges and a suspension from school.
but I have problems to accept that slapping away the arm of someone who got near you to separate you from someone else is assault with legal implications. It clearly shouldn't be done but the charges of assault seem too much.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It is that simple. If someone is "too near to you", then move away or else stay where you are. But you don't touch other people without their consent. Period.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"it is illegal to take others property and assault another person..."
john657
(1,058 posts)I was expressing an opinion in response to the OP, but you seem to have taken it as if I were arguing with someone else.
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)protest. Having said that, I can't come down on her too hard - all of us did some pretty knuckle-headed shit when we were that age, whether we want to admit or not.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)And I applaud her father for being real with her. Too many parents feel it's necessary to defend their kids' bad behavior.
BSdetect
(8,998 posts)Remember the braggart threatening protesters and press people?
What an example he set.
No excuse but if I was her lawyer I'd try to use that somehow.
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jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Is that normal?
Or have MAGA hats reached the level of religious headgear like yarmulkes, scarves and colanders?
Watchfoxheadexplodes
(3,496 posts)I don't think I've ever not seen at least 5 or 6 young men wearing hats in the hallways.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Is this relatively new, or were they always allowed to wear hats indoors?
Watchfoxheadexplodes
(3,496 posts)Not in class but okay in building.
Quick text to my daughter confirmed one in class now backward baseball cap on.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)When I was in high school we girls couldn't even wear pants of any kind to school (let alone jeans) unless it was very cold; then you could wear them under your skirt or dress to go to and from school but you had to take them off and store them in your locker before you went to class. No sneakers or boots in class; no bare legs (you had to wear nylons); and skirts couldn't be above the knee. Tight tops, skin or bra straps showing were completely unheard-of (you'd die of shame if your bra strap showed). Boys couldn't wear jeans or t-shirts or any kind of cap or hat.
And, by the way, get off my lawn.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)And they actually did make girls kneel to see if the hem of our skirts would touch the floor.
I, for one, am glad that they've loosened up from those days, but I'm afraid that they may have over-corrected, as often happens.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)Culottes were ugly and made one look fat, so I never had a pair anyhow. But they were forbidden because they were pants-like (with a crotch! Girls weren't allowed to have crotches).
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)So glad I am not teaching anymore.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I don't wear caps at all because they mess up my hair, but I have never considered wearing them inside to be inappropriate. Generally people take them off for solemn moments.
Runningdawg
(4,520 posts)For schoolware should be the schools logo/mascot. Short of uniforms its the only way to prevent this crap.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Runningdawg
(4,520 posts)At every single hospital I have ever worked for, the rule was no logos or slogans. I could wear a t-shirt with the hospital logo, but not one advertising the Red Cross, even designer logos were banned. All this to walk from you car to your locker to change into scrubs. You would think it if it were a violation of the 1st, someone, somewhere would have challenged it. They haven't.
IMO it would only violate the first if one person or group of people were allowed to wear logos/slogans and another group were not.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Runningdawg
(4,520 posts)If a kid can wear a MAGA hat to school, I should be able to wear a pro choice t-shirt to my job in a catholic hospital.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)A private employer is not the government. A public school is:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guiles_v._Marineau
Runningdawg
(4,520 posts)Schools with dress codes have not been sued out of exsistance.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)First off, private schools can do whatever they want.
Secondly, public schools without dress codes cannot police the expressive content on them. For example, one can have a rule that says No hats except for religious headgear. But if one is allowing hats, then you cant selectively ban hats based on what words might be printed on them.
Your idea here - selectively banning hats with politically expressive content at a public school which apparently does not ban hats - is right out.
Runningdawg
(4,520 posts)must be someplace extremely progressive because here PUBLIC schools can and do enforce dress codes. And the argument you are making is exactly why they do it and why they should continue to do it.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)"because here PUBLIC schools can and do enforce dress codes"
Where I live, they also teach reading.
This is what I wrote:
"Secondly, public schools without dress codes cannot police the expressive content on them."
What that means is that if the public school does not have a dress code banning hats, then they cannot decide to allow some hats and not other hats.
Yes, a public school can have a dress code that says "no hats". A public school cannot have a dress code which allows hats, but regulates speech on the hats.
You might want to read some of the court cases on the subject, in order to determine how, in the United States, these types of issues are decided.
Indeed, I am sure that there are public schools which still think they can require children to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, and do. But "what people do" is generally not a good guide to "what the rules actually are".
IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)Attacking people you don't agree with is never the answer.
2naSalit
(86,647 posts)Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)Response to Solly Mack (Reply #14)
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Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)The comment was still funny considering what went down.
john657
(1,058 posts)Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)David__77
(23,421 posts)I'm neither defending nor criticizing her actions.
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)Different Drummer
(7,621 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Possibly the most interesting aspect of the story to folks over a certain age.
onenote
(42,714 posts)Times change, i guess.
hunter
(38,317 posts)Elementary and middle schools have uniforms.
No gang colors allowed. Teachers send kids to the office for wearing the wrong color shoelaces.
Sounds like this school needs the same.
Even if hats are not covered by the school dress code, it's still the teacher's obligation to deal with any potentially disruptive article of clothing.
It's possible the supposed adults in this situation are Trump gangsters themselves.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I still applaud her fighting back against the Klan. As she ages she will learn better ways to fight the oppressors.
Oneironaut
(5,504 posts)Thats as opposed to flipping out and attacking everyone around you like a wild animal. Its good shes passionate, but it sounds like she has a serious lack of emotional control.
zanana1
(6,122 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)stuff like this would have never even been noticed. Fistfights were common.
I'm not defending the perp here. But things have surely changed.