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ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 08:11 PM Aug 2018

Denver school shooting this afternoon

One child in critical condition following shooting near Denver school

Denver police are investigating a shooting in which one child was critically injured outside a Denver school in the 3200 block of Marion Street on Tuesday afternoon, according to officials.

The victim, a male juvenile, has been transported to Denver Health Medical Center. Tearful parents are waiting expectantly outside the school with little-to-no contact with their children.

The shooting happened at about 2 p.m. outside DSST Cole Middle School, in front of the Mitchell Building on the campus. DSST stands for Denver School of Science and Technology.

“We are actively looking for an individual and are seeking the community’s assistance. If they witnessed anything we ask them to share information,” Pazen said at a Tuesday news conference near the school.

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/08/28/denver-police-shooting-north-marion-street/



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keithbvadu2

(36,829 posts)
1. To the gun industry, dead children are merely collateral damage/acceptable losses for gun industry p
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 08:33 PM
Aug 2018

To the gun industry, dead children are merely collateral damage/acceptable losses for gun industry profits and political donations.

The NRA used to be for sportsmen, hunters and gun safety.

Now it has become an industry owned shill for the sale of more guns and the enrichment of its leaders.


at140

(6,110 posts)
3. 400,000,000 guns already in circulation
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 08:45 PM
Aug 2018

That is more than 1 gun for every living person in country.
How many more are needed???

And how can we remove all these guns from private ownership? Most are not even registered, since Americans have been accumulating guns since inception of country.

 

john657

(1,058 posts)
4. Remove guns from private ownership?
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 08:59 PM
Aug 2018

Good luck with that, I think the Second Admendment would negate that concept, and the Supreme Court has already ruled that the Second protects the private ownership of firearms.

I'm no gun guy, haven't touched a firearm since my discharge from the Army, but I do believe that private ownership of firearms is protected by the Second.

at140

(6,110 posts)
6. Amendments can not be changed by voters?
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 09:41 PM
Aug 2018

In view of the continuous gun violence killing innocent civilians every month 2nd Amendment needs to be modified so that gun ownership is restricted and every firearm should be registered. Are we a civilized country or not?

 

john657

(1,058 posts)
9. Again, good luck with that,
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 09:52 PM
Aug 2018

it would take a 2/3rds of the Senate and 2/3rds of the House to change or repeal or amend an amendment, if that happens, then it goes to the State's Legislatures for a vote, each state has it's own process for that, and you would need 38 states to approve the repeal or change, IOW, it would take only 13 states voting no to defeat the proposal.

Think you can convince 38 states to repeal or amend the Second?

Here's an article explaining the process.

https://www.quora.com/What-does-it-take-to-remove-an-amendment-from-the-U-S-Constitution

A new amendment repealing the amendment in question. It must be done exactly the same way, because the repeal itself is an amendment.
An amendment to the Constitution legally becomes PART of the Constitution, and is therefore part of our national law, indivisible from it except by the Constitutional provision for changing the Constitution.
It cannot be minimized; to be removed, it must be repealed by a new amendment.
To begin, a proposed amendment must be voted approved by a 2/3 majority of both legislative bodies of the US Congress. The Proposed Amendment must then be sent ot every individual State's legislature for consideration. Each state follows its own parliamentary process to arrive at a yea or nay on the Proposed Amendment. For the Proposed Amendment to become a Constitutional Amendment, 3/4 of the individual American States must vote a final yea. With the current body of States numbering 50, the required number of State ratifications to adopt the new amendment is 38. Upon the confirmation of the 38th yea, the Amendment becomes part of the Constitution, amending, or changing, whatever the subject of the amendment covers--whether it be a new cause, or eliminating an old Amendment.
Incidentally, this is why there never going to be a repeal of the 2nd amendment--there will never be 38 States voting to take our guns.

montana_hazeleyes

(3,424 posts)
8. I didn't write the post,
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 09:46 PM
Aug 2018

but I think it's meant as they say we are trying to take the guns away,(witch is not true) but even if true, it would be impossible.

 

john657

(1,058 posts)
10. I may have interpreted it wrong,
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 09:57 PM
Aug 2018

but you are correct, it would be impossible to remove firearms from this country, that boat sailed a long time ago.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)
5. Sadly, there are gun owners out there who also
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 09:26 PM
Aug 2018

see the death of children and other innocents as unimportant collateral damage.

keithbvadu2

(36,829 posts)
11. Joe The Plumber: 'Your Dead Kids Don't Trump My Constitutional Rights' To Have Guns
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:15 PM
Aug 2018
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/27/joe-the-plumber-guns_n_5397981.html

Joe The Plumber: ‘Your Dead Kids Don’t Trump My Constitutional Rights’ To Have Guns

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
13. How did this get to be so normalized?
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:28 PM
Aug 2018

America will toss a few thoughts and prayers at it and then move on to the next one. We can't seem to accept that our society has far outgrown its simple, primitive roots and that humans will always have to have well-controlled boundaries - and, more so as population densities rise. I believe pre-history humans even knew that.

As with much of the planet, we began as a violent nation and continue to this day. I'm sad that we have not evolved well.

Rant over......

No further news tonight on The Denver Post on the boy's condition other than that he's critical. We wish him and his family well.

There's a media briefing here from the Denver Police Dept.: https://twitter.com/DenverPolice
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ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
14. During the short segment on TV there were some interviews of the kids
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:48 PM
Aug 2018

Then they showed a group of kids and their parents. One woman started to go into how there shouldn't be guns anywhere around schools, and they cut her off to end the segment. It was like, "Yeah, lady, we've heard this before. You aren't adding to the conversation." So, yes, I agree that it is normalized. If this had been the first time in twenty years there had been a school shooting, the news would spend all evening on it, interviewing every kid and parent.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
15. Thanks, and part of the problem is...
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 12:36 AM
Aug 2018

that our main-stream media outlets are actually now afraid to allow that conversation due to massive backlash from the gun loving freaks. That comes to them via social media, letters and phone calls - and many times in the form of outright threats.

The right-wing groups that have induced the totally unwarranted fear of "they're coming to get your guns" and "better be carrying to protect yourself from X" should all be taken out behind the wood shed. I dare say that Russia played a big back-door part in this problem.

Heart breaking situation we're in right now......

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