I joined DU back about then. Heard about it on BartCop. A progressive pioneer site. I needed somewhere to vent and commiserate.
No doubt Bush and Cheney were responsible for much more physical violence and unnecessary death and destruction. Also you could add, if not the actual creation, the building blocks for a group like ISIS to gain ground. Who in turn have caused untold misery. Which in turn is partially responsible for the massive exodus of refuges to Europe and other countries which has spurned on the far right to take power again, using the xenophobia and paranoia to stir up racism, in eastern block countries and Italy etc..and of course in the good old US of A.
I think they are both different. But Trump has not left yet. He could do much more than W even. I hope to gawd not. But I think the potential is there to be much worse. Especially if they steal the election in November and/or not enough Democrats make the effort to vote. Because then they could really consolidate power, finally turn over the last of the justice department, the FBI and CIA heads, to die in the wool Trumpists. Start implementing things he has talked about like regulating the internet, blocking all liberal voices, or sites like DU. Restrictions on network news stations. Sinclair ownership of daytime talk radio. And they will have a solid majority on the SCOTUS to rubber stamp their moves to re-write the constitution.
W was not the brightest bulb. Donny is not the brightest bulb.
But even the neo-cons did not have the populism and such a core of unwavering supporters. They didn't conspire with Russia. They didn't try and create a new realignment of world powers, insulting and snubbing of traditional allies, siding with Russian oligarchs over the American people. And they didn't have the luxury of being able to openly say and do treasonous things, and racist and sexist things, and have such a loyal dog lapping House and Senate regardless. But most important, they did not have a cult like Trump has started.
Trump is dangerous in that he will never go away. W and Cheney should be in jail, but at least they mostly disappeared and shut up. Trump will be tweeting right through any election or otherwise loss of his seat, and in the months after, in the years after. Stirring up and keeping alive the seething underbelly of racism and xenophobia and conspiracy theories. He'll be a hero to the white nationalists. He'll probably still hold rallies. Hopefully he'll actually have to serve time, which will put a damper on it, but I can see even that working for his poor martyred witch hunt narrative....Just like Nelson Mandela or or or John McCain!
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