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sheshe2

(83,953 posts)
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 05:13 PM Aug 2018

I finally pinpointed what it is exactly that I resent the most about Trump voters



Their willingness to jeopardize everything in exchange for settling a score of some perceived injustice against them. (because everything is about them)

It’s obvious that for most Trump voters he‘s a reflection of themselves. His narcissism, his entitlement, his resentment, his intransigence, and the juvenile way in which he conveys all of that. These human traits which are typically reviled, for a Trump voter are his assets because in him they see themselves and they get a kick out of imposing themselves on the rest of the world, regardless of the consequences to themselves or anyone else. In other words, it’s not just that they have no compunction pulling the lever for a supremely unqualified and undeserving con man, it’s the fact that this is precisely WHY they pulled the lever in the first place. History and future be damned. Like some pre-pubescent way at getting back at everyone else who dares to try to make the world a better place.

That. The satisfaction they obviously get out of burning it all to the ground. The glee with which they’re perfectly willing to set a match to something that millions of people died building and protecting. The ease with which they’re willing to betray their fellow citizens without a shred of self-reflection and then turn around and question the patriotism of others. That’s what gets to me.

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This is also why I have no patience for people like Arlie Russell Hochschild, J.D. Vance and Emily Calandrelli who always try to sell us on this nonsense that we should be more compassionate and understanding towards these intolerant people. Why? Because they’ve had it hard.

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Pitiful snowflakes.
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I finally pinpointed what it is exactly that I resent the most about Trump voters (Original Post) sheshe2 Aug 2018 OP
Too many things to list, but, the least of it--that I'll never be able to wear a red baseball hat hlthe2b Aug 2018 #1
Funny. We were walking and someone was walking toward us wearing question everything Aug 2018 #10
I have a red 1955 Seattle Rainiers baseball cap. FuzzyRabbit Aug 2018 #47
My only red cap SCVDem Aug 2018 #28
Can You Imagine Cadet Bone Spurs Earning The Right To Wear That Cap? smb Aug 2018 #34
How true, thank you saidsimplesimon Aug 2018 #2
Easy Answer. democratisphere Aug 2018 #3
We changed from an industrial based economy lapfog_1 Aug 2018 #4
Death of the labor unions is more to blame than the switch to an information/service economy Yavin4 Aug 2018 #13
Damn. Apt and Solomon Aug 2018 #60
These are all good and valid points. calimary Aug 2018 #68
Nailed it. Duppers Aug 2018 #64
Four words perfectly describe every deplorable: stupid; hateful; petty; and vindictive. LonePirate Aug 2018 #5
Those four words... sheshe2 Aug 2018 #7
Spent a week in rural NorthEastern AZ last week - stupid, hateful, petty, asiliveandbreathe Aug 2018 #15
Well stated, and they are armed and violent. Rump is about to fire sessions and the Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #29
And gullible, don't foget FakeNoose Aug 2018 #37
Yes, they act like fascists. Sneederbunk Aug 2018 #6
I don't think Trump voters are a monolith. kwassa Aug 2018 #8
Keep reminding ourselves: more people voted for Hillary. We are the majority. Hekate Aug 2018 #9
Yep. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #48
"It's obvious that for most Trump voters he's a reflection of themselves." FM123 Aug 2018 #11
Well, they identify with only one thing about him: luvtheGWN Aug 2018 #43
Yup Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2018 #12
Trump voters are are the Elliot Rodgers, Dylann Roofs, and Eric Harrises of politics. drmeow Aug 2018 #14
Exactly. nt sheshe2 Aug 2018 #16
K&R Scurrilous Aug 2018 #17
ignorance, massive hypocrisy, greed, and sloth. Deplorables NRaleighLiberal Aug 2018 #18
Yep. sheshe2 Aug 2018 #19
Hear, Hear! smirkymonkey Aug 2018 #20
I read this on Kos and agreed with every word. The Liberal Lion Aug 2018 #21
For me it's that they are breathing. n/t rzemanfl Aug 2018 #22
+1 dalton99a Aug 2018 #26
Most Trumpites I know jayschool2013 Aug 2018 #23
Thank you for debunking the myth. qwlauren35 Aug 2018 #59
They (Trump voters) are too stupid to exist and yet they do. Solly Mack Aug 2018 #24
Dayum fine rant, Solly Mack! sheshe2 Aug 2018 #27
I am so sick of hearing about them and their hurt feelings. Solly Mack Aug 2018 #33
Take a number. I've heard them called "resentniks" and I think it's a perfect fit. calimary Aug 2018 #61
I call'em poopy-heads. Solly Mack Aug 2018 #62
That works, too! calimary Aug 2018 #72
Please don't change it. It's perfect as it is. nt Buns_of_Fire Aug 2018 #50
It's the idea that I should feel sorry for people who cheer children being stolen from their parents Solly Mack Aug 2018 #55
OUTSTANDING! LuckyCharms Aug 2018 #54
Somewhere in left field. :) Solly Mack Aug 2018 #56
This needs to be its own OP! geardaddy Aug 2018 #65
Thank you. Solly Mack Aug 2018 #66
Gotta say, this resonates with me. Lots of points I hadn't yet put into words. nt CaptainTruth Aug 2018 #25
They would slit their own throats mcar Aug 2018 #30
They are also just so hateful and trashy obamanut2012 Aug 2018 #31
I'm not one of those tolerant understanding types 47of74 Aug 2018 #32
No, its two fold.... Ferrets are Cool Aug 2018 #35
Yup! peggysue2 Aug 2018 #36
Well said! I think instead of bitching and griping, they need to quit blaming ... SWBTATTReg Aug 2018 #52
They are self absorbed, ignorant, racists and bullies BigmanPigman Aug 2018 #38
In other words ... Martin Eden Aug 2018 #39
Drives libruls crazy keithbvadu2 Aug 2018 #40
Victim mentality on steroids njhoneybadger Aug 2018 #41
Makes their heads explode. keithbvadu2 Aug 2018 #42
Indeed, I believe they see themselves in him too. JohnnyRingo Aug 2018 #44
And the glue that holds them all together shadowmayor Aug 2018 #45
"Their willingness to jeopardize everything in exchange for settling a score pazzyanne Aug 2018 #46
What is more, they know Democrats are the adults in the room... miffelplix Aug 2018 #49
Well said... sheshe2 Aug 2018 #51
thanks! miffelplix Aug 2018 #58
If breathing wasn't an invovluntary reflex, most of them would be dead. GoneOffShore Aug 2018 #53
Something wrong with image...FIXED DUar17 Aug 2018 #57
As long as it looks like Trump is "pwning" liberals, they're fine with him TlalocW Aug 2018 #63
We've allowed the Reddit mindset to take over politics... Blue_Tires Aug 2018 #67
Nihilists and whiny blubbering crybabies. Mc Mike Aug 2018 #69
Hubris the most, among others. KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2018 #70
yeah. n/t MBS Aug 2018 #71

hlthe2b

(102,419 posts)
1. Too many things to list, but, the least of it--that I'll never be able to wear a red baseball hat
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 05:20 PM
Aug 2018

again.... ever.

question everything

(47,544 posts)
10. Funny. We were walking and someone was walking toward us wearing
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 05:40 PM
Aug 2018

a red baseball hat. Instinctively we noticed that there was nothing on it..

FuzzyRabbit

(1,970 posts)
47. I have a red 1955 Seattle Rainiers baseball cap.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 08:07 PM
Aug 2018


I don't usually wear it; I keep it to remind me of the times Dad took me to the baseball games when I was a kid.


lapfog_1

(29,228 posts)
4. We changed from an industrial based economy
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 05:26 PM
Aug 2018

to an information based economy (plus more service jobs).

In the industrial based economy, if you were average or below average intelligence, you could still be "successful" and live a middle class life... send your kids to college without putting them in $100K of student debt, etc.

In the information and service based economy, those higher paying manufacturing jobs went away (mostly to automation, but also shipped overseas). The service industry doesn't pay enough to not shop walmart...

So the less intelligent of us resent the more intelligent... and thus the Red State rural split with the Blue State urban dweller.

And they are lashing out right now... well for the last 18 years (since the election of Bush 2).

They are currently expunging the ranks of the Trump party of any and all "moderate" and "intellectual" republicans (folks like George Will, etc).

Yavin4

(35,450 posts)
13. Death of the labor unions is more to blame than the switch to an information/service economy
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 05:47 PM
Aug 2018

Labor unions were destroyed because the White working class thinks that their skin color offers more protection than a labor union.

LonePirate

(13,431 posts)
5. Four words perfectly describe every deplorable: stupid; hateful; petty; and vindictive.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 05:26 PM
Aug 2018

Once you realize that, the deplorables can be read like a book every single time.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
15. Spent a week in rural NorthEastern AZ last week - stupid, hateful, petty,
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 05:51 PM
Aug 2018

vindictive and feeding on AM radio conspiracy drivel...helped hubby on a painting job...hubby almost lost it..when one guy went fishing for our political persuasion - I told hubby they can't be saved..don't waste your energy...besides our truck was a dead give away - not only do we have World Champ Patriots..but I have my OFA founding member sticker on the rear window..DUH!!!!

Yep - the guy out back, living in the RV of the house we painted, never came around again...they only have a headline and no substance....and STUPID!

Eliot Rosewater

(31,131 posts)
29. Well stated, and they are armed and violent. Rump is about to fire sessions and the
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:32 PM
Aug 2018

result will be unrest. GOP will give patriots a choice, give up the country and hand it over to putin and rump and mcconnell or stand up for their country.

FakeNoose

(32,823 posts)
37. And gullible, don't foget
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:59 PM
Aug 2018

They've been lied to by hate radio and faux news for way too long and they always fall for it.

They've been played by the Koch Brothers, Rupert Murdoch, Mercer, and other one-percenters and they can't see the truth in front of their eyes. They're so brain-washed now that there's no hope for these people.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
8. I don't think Trump voters are a monolith.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 05:35 PM
Aug 2018

There are definitely a base that are like your description. I think some are persuadable, however. Trump barely won. We don't need to convince a lot.

Hekate

(90,865 posts)
9. Keep reminding ourselves: more people voted for Hillary. We are the majority.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 05:36 PM
Aug 2018

I remember reading that Hillary should be denied the job because "she knows where the levers of power are," which always struck me as a really stupid thing to say. Like, it's bad to know how things work?

Nonetheless, Trump seems to be tearing it all down despite being just that stupid -- because he is spiteful, mean, petty, and destructive as hell.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
43. Well, they identify with only one thing about him:
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 07:30 PM
Aug 2018

he speaks their language and expresses their thoughts.

They've been convinced that he's a successful, brilliant businessman and therefore they should admire him. They also probably think to themselves "Hey, look at all the stuff he's gotten away with -- stiffing contractors, borrowing obscene amounts of money, sleeping with every buxom woman he can -- I want to be able to do that too".

I just finished reading Hillbilly Elegy by JD Vance. I'm so incredibly grateful to have had a warm, loving and comfortable family to grow up in, but I don't buy all the excuses he made about his fellow hillbillies. They just seem so full of resentment.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,446 posts)
12. Yup
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 05:43 PM
Aug 2018

Pretty much their whole MO is figuring out how to "stick it" to people they think are getting too "uppity" and don't know their place- and putting them back in their place (specifically, below them). Eight years of the Obama Administration was their biggest nightmare. Not because President Obama was the racist, socialist tyrant that they caricatured him but because President Obama had a diverse cabinet full of women and minorities and promoted policies that encouraged and celebrated racial, ethinic, and gender diversity and didn't place old white men at the head of everything. Under Obama, the country's first African-American POTUS, the Supreme Court said that states couldn't pick and choose whether they allowed same-sex marriage. Gays and Lesbians and Transgender persons were finally allowed to serve openly in the millitary. Basically, President Obama's worst "sin" is that he didn't put White fundamentalist xtian cishet people first and above everybody else. Trump's highest "virtue" is that he does.

drmeow

(5,028 posts)
14. Trump voters are are the Elliot Rodgers, Dylann Roofs, and Eric Harrises of politics.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 05:51 PM
Aug 2018

The attitude and mentality of Trump voters is largely the same as that of revenge motivated mass shooters.

jayschool2013

(2,313 posts)
23. Most Trumpites I know
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:16 PM
Aug 2018

and they are few, have a college education, but fall into these areas:

1. Family members who are or have been in the military — they are from rural areas and attended college (two went to West Point), but they're given to respecting authoritarian personalities and have bought into the myth that Republicans "support the troops" and agriculture, while Democrats do not.
2. Acquaintances (former fraternity brothers and friends of friends) who have grown up in a world of white-male privilege and have worked in traditional businesses as salespersons and managers. They have bought into the myth that tax cuts for the investor class and the gutting of the regulatory state simply is "freedom" at work, rewarding the earners and job-creators and punishing the undeserving. To them, Ayn Rand's world can't get here fast enough.

I live in Iowa, my family is in Nebraska, and I spent most of my adult life in Colorado, so those are the people of whom I speak. I went to graduate school at the University of Florida, but I don't have much exposure to rural Southerners, so I don't know what they think other than what I read in the news or see on "Florabama Shore" and other Confederate reality-porn TV shows.

qwlauren35

(6,150 posts)
59. Thank you for debunking the myth.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:02 PM
Aug 2018

That Trump voters are uneducated, backward, etc.

There were a variety of reasons why people voted for Trump. Some hated Hillary in particular, or hated the idea of a woman president in general. Some wanted an Outsider. Some thought a businessman would make a better president. Most of the people who fall in these categories have had second thoughts. Maybe they still hate Hillary, but if they are Republicans, they realize that they blew it in the primaries.

I'm not saying that we'll ever get these people to vote Democrat. Probably not. But I can't see them letting Trump get elected for a second term. Someone will beat him in the primaries.

Solly Mack

(90,792 posts)
24. They (Trump voters) are too stupid to exist and yet they do.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:20 PM
Aug 2018

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The rest of us have to be dragging them along, kicking and screaming, into the future with any and all progress made by forward moving humans - because they are simply too stupid to exist.

Yet they do.

We move ahead and they kick and scream about how unfair it is to them. Yet there they are, oozing inside the open door (won't someone please close the door already!) - still stupid. Still existing. Still kicking. Still screaming.

Think of the direct benefits to society that cooperation brings about - how knowledge benefits people. The improvements that come with knowledge and understanding.

Apparently, it also gives the stupid a handhold on survival, no matter how far removed they are from the source. A benefit to us inures them with the same benefits, no matter how little they make use of it. No matter how much they whine about it.

It's the stupid that will always be with us.

And it's because of who we are - open to people changing. Open to people learning better. Open to human kindness and decency. Open to the boundless human spirit.

They have been given chances - all day everyday - every-fucking-day they have the chance to learn, to read a book, to stop letting Fox and Trump tell them how and what to think.

We seek, they retreat. We clear our way into the future. They simply dig in.

They are stuck in fight mode and have clipped their wings in the process. They fight the future. They fight change - neither battle they can win and then they blame the "other" for it - but never blaming the people actually making life worse for them.

But none of that means we have to validate their stupid. None of that means we have to tolerate the intolerable. None of that puts their stupid on the same footing as facts and science.

None of it means I have to try and understand them when they don't even bother trying to understand themselves.

They simply don't care. They only know they don't feel special.

Well, boofuckinghoo.

I've had it hard too. Doesn't give me the right to be stupid.


That was a rant - in the heat of the moment. Tomorrow, after time for reflection, I might just decide to say (about Trump supporters) "Oh, fuck those whiny asswipes" and be done with it.






ETA: an "of". 'Cause sometimes I'm sloppy in my ranting.

Solly Mack

(90,792 posts)
33. I am so sick of hearing about them and their hurt feelings.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:40 PM
Aug 2018

They don't want to hear solutions - they only want to hear how right they are to think/feel the way they do.

I can't give that to them. Because they're not right.

Solly Mack

(90,792 posts)
55. It's the idea that I should feel sorry for people who cheer children being stolen from their parents
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 08:33 PM
Aug 2018

that sticks in my craw.

Know what I mean?

Thanks!

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
32. I'm not one of those tolerant understanding types
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:39 PM
Aug 2018

People not liking my attitude on either side of the aisle can go fornicate themselves.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,110 posts)
35. No, its two fold....
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:52 PM
Aug 2018

he is a reflection of themselves, but he is ALSO a reflection of what they wish they were. 99.9% will never be what he is, but they want it so bad that they are willing to sell their souls (if they had them) for it.

peggysue2

(10,844 posts)
36. Yup!
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:53 PM
Aug 2018

Think that 'let's feel for the poor Trumpsters' sentiment is a boat that's sailed and sunk in short order. The politics of resentment and F*ck you is beyond sophomoric. Grow the hell up!

Plus, who ever told these people that you should never make an effort to improve your own damn lot? I'm stuck in the South right now. We moved here because of . . . jobs, kids headed to college and not really wanting to live in our car.

Newsflash to Trumpsters: Life can be inconvenient.

Read an article in the NYT several weeks ago about a young woman stuck in a dead end job--meatpacking, I think--who was depressed and resentful of her Hispanic coworkers, most of whom did not speak English. She was lonely during her shifts, upset that she was expected to try to communicate with these workers because it was her town and it just wasn't fair.

Oh boo-hoo. Suck it up already. Could she go to school? Get additional training? Move on to an area with better employment prospects? Of course. But she didn't want to because she felt more comfortable in the area she'd grown up. Before all these 'foreign' types moved in. The nostalgia for the good ole days was strong.

And sorry, self-defeating.

And the rage? I'll never get that in a million years. But one thing seems to be true: the Trumpsters are miserable and they want everyone else to feel the same way.

F*ck 'em. Here's hoping we push them all into the sea come November! A little cold water might wake them the hell up.

SWBTATTReg

(22,176 posts)
52. Well said! I think instead of bitching and griping, they need to quit blaming ...
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 08:20 PM
Aug 2018

everyone else and look at themselves more closely. It is just going to get worse as economic woes continue to follow demographic trends and concentrate in the rural areas...it's cheaper oftentimes for labor and raw materials to concentrate in the urban areas.

Oftentimes the best way forward is to go to school and get a different skill to go forward, and the thing is, this happens to ALL of us...most of us have had different jobs, different skills, etc. in life.

Again, well said! Have a good one.

BigmanPigman

(51,640 posts)
38. They are self absorbed, ignorant, racists and bullies
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 07:14 PM
Aug 2018

just like the fucking moron. They can relate to his "personality" traits/disorders.

JohnnyRingo

(18,665 posts)
44. Indeed, I believe they see themselves in him too.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 07:39 PM
Aug 2018

That's why I usually point out that every woman I know says he's a disgusting pig, in those actual words. Then I ask why they think he's just like them.

shadowmayor

(1,325 posts)
45. And the glue that holds them all together
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 07:53 PM
Aug 2018

Lots of common traits and fears and illogical positions can be found among these people. But the glue that holds them all together, that is key to knowing who these people really are is their absolute hatred of Democrats. Anything Democrat is evil, suspect and un-American.

pazzyanne

(6,559 posts)
46. "Their willingness to jeopardize everything in exchange for settling a score
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 08:03 PM
Aug 2018

of some perceived injustice against them. (because everything is about them)"

… and that is it in a nut shell. My trumper sister has used that argument against me, threw me out of her family because I am a liberal. Needless to say, I no longer have contact with her. She was just too toxic. It is a common trait for all tRump voters. When she was okay with separating children from their families and told me it wasn't her problem and that "illegals" had no business being here, that was the last straw and I realized there was no help for her any more.


She is my baby sister, 15 years younger than I am, and I miss the person she use to be.

miffelplix

(54 posts)
49. What is more, they know Democrats are the adults in the room...
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 08:16 PM
Aug 2018

and will clean up their mess. But rather than be grateful or ashamed, they, like spoiled children with a full diaper, will bitch, complain, and refuse in even the minutest way to help in the wiping of their own bottoms.

TlalocW

(15,392 posts)
63. As long as it looks like Trump is "pwning" liberals, they're fine with him
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 11:33 AM
Aug 2018

Everything else, every issue and even the health of the nation, takes a backseat as long as it looks like Trump is exacting some sort of revenge on their half.

Thing is, it didn't really start with Trump but Gingrich who felt that once republicans got elected in 94 to majorities in both houses, it was payback time. I remember Doonesbury cartoons that showed him as a lit bomb (the cartoon kind - round, black, with a fuse coming out of the top), and the character Lacey Davenport, who was a moderate republican, trying to rein him in to no avail. Trump is that times 100. If Gingrich had upped his game some and gotten rid of his last few shreds of decency, he might have given Trump a run for his money.

TlalocW

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
67. We've allowed the Reddit mindset to take over politics...
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 12:13 PM
Aug 2018

And Donnie is the King of all internet trolls

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,496 posts)
70. Hubris the most, among others.
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 03:28 PM
Aug 2018

(from Wiki, for my own clarity)

Hubris describes a personality quality of extreme or foolish pride or dangerous overconfidence, often in combination with (or synonymous with) arrogance.

Being a scientific type, this characteristic bothers me the most, and in ~90% of them, they have no validity in being that way. It's bad enough this late in life to be around anyone that will not engage in critical thinking, but I refuse to even speak with those that want to stuff their parroted philosophy down my throat without allowing any rational discussion.
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Republicans were very precise and selective in choosing Americans they wanted to convert into their clan, beginning in Nixon's time or before. They've always had to have a boogie man and hired heartless operatives and political psychologists through the years such as Lee Atwater and Frank Luntz to design attack techniques with precision. They both induce new fears into vulnerable culture groups, but also take full advantage of existing ones.

This requires finding the personality types and subsets of society that are most vulnerable to brainwashing - those in fear of losing something (wealth, manhood, class distinction, etc.), those who are poorly educated, and those with ingrained cultural flaws such as racism, xenophobia and misogyny. Next, all you have to do is fund the brainwashing machinery - that was easy for them.

I could discuss in length the various personality and cultural types I've witnessed in my 70 years that have fallen prey to this disease of America, but won't bother you with that.

Of course, there's always the wealthy that are permanent fixtures of the Party and who are mostly visible only via their checkbooks. We all know they're supporters out of pure raw greed. I don't expect an euphony in any of them until the Nation is on the verge of total collapse. But, I will never allow myself to forget that these are the people who brought this plague upon the USA.

SheShe, you owe me eye bleach, LOL.............
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