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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI finally pinpointed what it is exactly that I resent the most about Trump voters
Their willingness to jeopardize everything in exchange for settling a score of some perceived injustice against them. (because everything is about them)
Its obvious that for most Trump voters hes a reflection of themselves. His narcissism, his entitlement, his resentment, his intransigence, and the juvenile way in which he conveys all of that. These human traits which are typically reviled, for a Trump voter are his assets because in him they see themselves and they get a kick out of imposing themselves on the rest of the world, regardless of the consequences to themselves or anyone else. In other words, its not just that they have no compunction pulling the lever for a supremely unqualified and undeserving con man, its the fact that this is precisely WHY they pulled the lever in the first place. History and future be damned. Like some pre-pubescent way at getting back at everyone else who dares to try to make the world a better place.
That. The satisfaction they obviously get out of burning it all to the ground. The glee with which theyre perfectly willing to set a match to something that millions of people died building and protecting. The ease with which theyre willing to betray their fellow citizens without a shred of self-reflection and then turn around and question the patriotism of others. Thats what gets to me.
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This is also why I have no patience for people like Arlie Russell Hochschild, J.D. Vance and Emily Calandrelli who always try to sell us on this nonsense that we should be more compassionate and understanding towards these intolerant people. Why? Because theyve had it hard.
Read More: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/28/1791595/-I-finally-pinpointed-what-it-is-exactly-that-I-resent-the-most-about-Trump-voters
Pitiful snowflakes.
hlthe2b
(102,419 posts)again.... ever.
question everything
(47,544 posts)a red baseball hat. Instinctively we noticed that there was nothing on it..
FuzzyRabbit
(1,970 posts)I don't usually wear it; I keep it to remind me of the times Dad took me to the baseball games when I was a kid.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Has an Eagle, Globe and Anchor.
Screw the magats!
smb
(3,475 posts)Me neither.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)EVERYTHING!
lapfog_1
(29,228 posts)to an information based economy (plus more service jobs).
In the industrial based economy, if you were average or below average intelligence, you could still be "successful" and live a middle class life... send your kids to college without putting them in $100K of student debt, etc.
In the information and service based economy, those higher paying manufacturing jobs went away (mostly to automation, but also shipped overseas). The service industry doesn't pay enough to not shop walmart...
So the less intelligent of us resent the more intelligent... and thus the Red State rural split with the Blue State urban dweller.
And they are lashing out right now... well for the last 18 years (since the election of Bush 2).
They are currently expunging the ranks of the Trump party of any and all "moderate" and "intellectual" republicans (folks like George Will, etc).
Yavin4
(35,450 posts)Labor unions were destroyed because the White working class thinks that their skin color offers more protection than a labor union.
Solomon
(12,319 posts)succinct.
calimary
(81,527 posts)Duppers
(28,127 posts)In addition to these cretins having some developmental personality disorders.
LonePirate
(13,431 posts)Once you realize that, the deplorables can be read like a book every single time.
sheshe2
(83,953 posts)fit them like a wet tee shirt.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)vindictive and feeding on AM radio conspiracy drivel...helped hubby on a painting job...hubby almost lost it..when one guy went fishing for our political persuasion - I told hubby they can't be saved..don't waste your energy...besides our truck was a dead give away - not only do we have World Champ Patriots..but I have my OFA founding member sticker on the rear window..DUH!!!!
Yep - the guy out back, living in the RV of the house we painted, never came around again...they only have a headline and no substance....and STUPID!
Eliot Rosewater
(31,131 posts)result will be unrest. GOP will give patriots a choice, give up the country and hand it over to putin and rump and mcconnell or stand up for their country.
FakeNoose
(32,823 posts)They've been lied to by hate radio and faux news for way too long and they always fall for it.
They've been played by the Koch Brothers, Rupert Murdoch, Mercer, and other one-percenters and they can't see the truth in front of their eyes. They're so brain-washed now that there's no hope for these people.
Sneederbunk
(14,314 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)There are definitely a base that are like your description. I think some are persuadable, however. Trump barely won. We don't need to convince a lot.
Hekate
(90,865 posts)I remember reading that Hillary should be denied the job because "she knows where the levers of power are," which always struck me as a really stupid thing to say. Like, it's bad to know how things work?
Nonetheless, Trump seems to be tearing it all down despite being just that stupid -- because he is spiteful, mean, petty, and destructive as hell.
Sigh~
FM123
(10,054 posts)luvtheGWN
(1,336 posts)he speaks their language and expresses their thoughts.
They've been convinced that he's a successful, brilliant businessman and therefore they should admire him. They also probably think to themselves "Hey, look at all the stuff he's gotten away with -- stiffing contractors, borrowing obscene amounts of money, sleeping with every buxom woman he can -- I want to be able to do that too".
I just finished reading Hillbilly Elegy by JD Vance. I'm so incredibly grateful to have had a warm, loving and comfortable family to grow up in, but I don't buy all the excuses he made about his fellow hillbillies. They just seem so full of resentment.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,446 posts)Pretty much their whole MO is figuring out how to "stick it" to people they think are getting too "uppity" and don't know their place- and putting them back in their place (specifically, below them). Eight years of the Obama Administration was their biggest nightmare. Not because President Obama was the racist, socialist tyrant that they caricatured him but because President Obama had a diverse cabinet full of women and minorities and promoted policies that encouraged and celebrated racial, ethinic, and gender diversity and didn't place old white men at the head of everything. Under Obama, the country's first African-American POTUS, the Supreme Court said that states couldn't pick and choose whether they allowed same-sex marriage. Gays and Lesbians and Transgender persons were finally allowed to serve openly in the millitary. Basically, President Obama's worst "sin" is that he didn't put White fundamentalist xtian cishet people first and above everybody else. Trump's highest "virtue" is that he does.
drmeow
(5,028 posts)The attitude and mentality of Trump voters is largely the same as that of revenge motivated mass shooters.
sheshe2
(83,953 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,026 posts)sheshe2
(83,953 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)The Liberal Lion
(1,414 posts)rzemanfl
(29,573 posts)jayschool2013
(2,313 posts)and they are few, have a college education, but fall into these areas:
1. Family members who are or have been in the military they are from rural areas and attended college (two went to West Point), but they're given to respecting authoritarian personalities and have bought into the myth that Republicans "support the troops" and agriculture, while Democrats do not.
2. Acquaintances (former fraternity brothers and friends of friends) who have grown up in a world of white-male privilege and have worked in traditional businesses as salespersons and managers. They have bought into the myth that tax cuts for the investor class and the gutting of the regulatory state simply is "freedom" at work, rewarding the earners and job-creators and punishing the undeserving. To them, Ayn Rand's world can't get here fast enough.
I live in Iowa, my family is in Nebraska, and I spent most of my adult life in Colorado, so those are the people of whom I speak. I went to graduate school at the University of Florida, but I don't have much exposure to rural Southerners, so I don't know what they think other than what I read in the news or see on "Florabama Shore" and other Confederate reality-porn TV shows.
qwlauren35
(6,150 posts)That Trump voters are uneducated, backward, etc.
There were a variety of reasons why people voted for Trump. Some hated Hillary in particular, or hated the idea of a woman president in general. Some wanted an Outsider. Some thought a businessman would make a better president. Most of the people who fall in these categories have had second thoughts. Maybe they still hate Hillary, but if they are Republicans, they realize that they blew it in the primaries.
I'm not saying that we'll ever get these people to vote Democrat. Probably not. But I can't see them letting Trump get elected for a second term. Someone will beat him in the primaries.
Solly Mack
(90,792 posts)Last edited Tue Aug 28, 2018, 08:39 PM - Edit history (1)
The rest of us have to be dragging them along, kicking and screaming, into the future with any and all progress made by forward moving humans - because they are simply too stupid to exist.
Yet they do.
We move ahead and they kick and scream about how unfair it is to them. Yet there they are, oozing inside the open door (won't someone please close the door already!) - still stupid. Still existing. Still kicking. Still screaming.
Think of the direct benefits to society that cooperation brings about - how knowledge benefits people. The improvements that come with knowledge and understanding.
Apparently, it also gives the stupid a handhold on survival, no matter how far removed they are from the source. A benefit to us inures them with the same benefits, no matter how little they make use of it. No matter how much they whine about it.
It's the stupid that will always be with us.
And it's because of who we are - open to people changing. Open to people learning better. Open to human kindness and decency. Open to the boundless human spirit.
They have been given chances - all day everyday - every-fucking-day they have the chance to learn, to read a book, to stop letting Fox and Trump tell them how and what to think.
We seek, they retreat. We clear our way into the future. They simply dig in.
They are stuck in fight mode and have clipped their wings in the process. They fight the future. They fight change - neither battle they can win and then they blame the "other" for it - but never blaming the people actually making life worse for them.
But none of that means we have to validate their stupid. None of that means we have to tolerate the intolerable. None of that puts their stupid on the same footing as facts and science.
None of it means I have to try and understand them when they don't even bother trying to understand themselves.
They simply don't care. They only know they don't feel special.
Well, boofuckinghoo.
I've had it hard too. Doesn't give me the right to be stupid.
That was a rant - in the heat of the moment. Tomorrow, after time for reflection, I might just decide to say (about Trump supporters) "Oh, fuck those whiny asswipes" and be done with it.
ETA: an "of". 'Cause sometimes I'm sloppy in my ranting.
sheshe2
(83,953 posts)Bravo
Solly Mack
(90,792 posts)They don't want to hear solutions - they only want to hear how right they are to think/feel the way they do.
I can't give that to them. Because they're not right.
calimary
(81,527 posts)Solly Mack
(90,792 posts)calimary
(81,527 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(17,201 posts)Solly Mack
(90,792 posts)that sticks in my craw.
Know what I mean?
Thanks!
LuckyCharms
(17,463 posts)Solly Mack
(90,792 posts)Thanks!
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)Solly Mack
(90,792 posts)You're too kind.
CaptainTruth
(6,609 posts)mcar
(42,403 posts)to "own the libs."
Fortunately their numbers are decreasing.
obamanut2012
(26,158 posts)47of74
(18,470 posts)People not liking my attitude on either side of the aisle can go fornicate themselves.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,110 posts)he is a reflection of themselves, but he is ALSO a reflection of what they wish they were. 99.9% will never be what he is, but they want it so bad that they are willing to sell their souls (if they had them) for it.
peggysue2
(10,844 posts)Think that 'let's feel for the poor Trumpsters' sentiment is a boat that's sailed and sunk in short order. The politics of resentment and F*ck you is beyond sophomoric. Grow the hell up!
Plus, who ever told these people that you should never make an effort to improve your own damn lot? I'm stuck in the South right now. We moved here because of . . . jobs, kids headed to college and not really wanting to live in our car.
Newsflash to Trumpsters: Life can be inconvenient.
Read an article in the NYT several weeks ago about a young woman stuck in a dead end job--meatpacking, I think--who was depressed and resentful of her Hispanic coworkers, most of whom did not speak English. She was lonely during her shifts, upset that she was expected to try to communicate with these workers because it was her town and it just wasn't fair.
Oh boo-hoo. Suck it up already. Could she go to school? Get additional training? Move on to an area with better employment prospects? Of course. But she didn't want to because she felt more comfortable in the area she'd grown up. Before all these 'foreign' types moved in. The nostalgia for the good ole days was strong.
And sorry, self-defeating.
And the rage? I'll never get that in a million years. But one thing seems to be true: the Trumpsters are miserable and they want everyone else to feel the same way.
F*ck 'em. Here's hoping we push them all into the sea come November! A little cold water might wake them the hell up.
SWBTATTReg
(22,176 posts)everyone else and look at themselves more closely. It is just going to get worse as economic woes continue to follow demographic trends and concentrate in the rural areas...it's cheaper oftentimes for labor and raw materials to concentrate in the urban areas.
Oftentimes the best way forward is to go to school and get a different skill to go forward, and the thing is, this happens to ALL of us...most of us have had different jobs, different skills, etc. in life.
Again, well said! Have a good one.
BigmanPigman
(51,640 posts)just like the fucking moron. They can relate to his "personality" traits/disorders.
Martin Eden
(12,880 posts)they're nihilists.
keithbvadu2
(36,962 posts)Drives libruls crazy
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,962 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,665 posts)That's why I usually point out that every woman I know says he's a disgusting pig, in those actual words. Then I ask why they think he's just like them.
shadowmayor
(1,325 posts)Lots of common traits and fears and illogical positions can be found among these people. But the glue that holds them all together, that is key to knowing who these people really are is their absolute hatred of Democrats. Anything Democrat is evil, suspect and un-American.
pazzyanne
(6,559 posts)of some perceived injustice against them. (because everything is about them)"
and that is it in a nut shell. My trumper sister has used that argument against me, threw me out of her family because I am a liberal. Needless to say, I no longer have contact with her. She was just too toxic. It is a common trait for all tRump voters. When she was okay with separating children from their families and told me it wasn't her problem and that "illegals" had no business being here, that was the last straw and I realized there was no help for her any more.
She is my baby sister, 15 years younger than I am, and I miss the person she use to be.
miffelplix
(54 posts)and will clean up their mess. But rather than be grateful or ashamed, they, like spoiled children with a full diaper, will bitch, complain, and refuse in even the minutest way to help in the wiping of their own bottoms.
sheshe2
(83,953 posts)And welcome to DU, miffelplix.
GoneOffShore
(17,342 posts)DUar17
(91 posts)TlalocW
(15,392 posts)Everything else, every issue and even the health of the nation, takes a backseat as long as it looks like Trump is exacting some sort of revenge on their half.
Thing is, it didn't really start with Trump but Gingrich who felt that once republicans got elected in 94 to majorities in both houses, it was payback time. I remember Doonesbury cartoons that showed him as a lit bomb (the cartoon kind - round, black, with a fuse coming out of the top), and the character Lacey Davenport, who was a moderate republican, trying to rein him in to no avail. Trump is that times 100. If Gingrich had upped his game some and gotten rid of his last few shreds of decency, he might have given Trump a run for his money.
TlalocW
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)And Donnie is the King of all internet trolls
Mc Mike
(9,115 posts)Also, they're nazis.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,496 posts)(from Wiki, for my own clarity)
Being a scientific type, this characteristic bothers me the most, and in ~90% of them, they have no validity in being that way. It's bad enough this late in life to be around anyone that will not engage in critical thinking, but I refuse to even speak with those that want to stuff their parroted philosophy down my throat without allowing any rational discussion.
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Republicans were very precise and selective in choosing Americans they wanted to convert into their clan, beginning in Nixon's time or before. They've always had to have a boogie man and hired heartless operatives and political psychologists through the years such as Lee Atwater and Frank Luntz to design attack techniques with precision. They both induce new fears into vulnerable culture groups, but also take full advantage of existing ones.
This requires finding the personality types and subsets of society that are most vulnerable to brainwashing - those in fear of losing something (wealth, manhood, class distinction, etc.), those who are poorly educated, and those with ingrained cultural flaws such as racism, xenophobia and misogyny. Next, all you have to do is fund the brainwashing machinery - that was easy for them.
I could discuss in length the various personality and cultural types I've witnessed in my 70 years that have fallen prey to this disease of America, but won't bother you with that.
Of course, there's always the wealthy that are permanent fixtures of the Party and who are mostly visible only via their checkbooks. We all know they're supporters out of pure raw greed. I don't expect an euphony in any of them until the Nation is on the verge of total collapse. But, I will never allow myself to forget that these are the people who brought this plague upon the USA.
SheShe, you owe me eye bleach, LOL.............