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niyad

(113,602 posts)
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:05 PM Aug 2018

What the ban on Serena Williams' catsuit says about the sexualising of black women's bodies

(definitely a facepalm moment)


What the ban on Serena Williams’ catsuit says about the sexualising of black women’s bodies
Chitra Ramaswamy


When the tournament banned the tennis star’s bodysuit, it was disrespecting one of the greatest athletes of all time. Here’s why



‘A warrior’ … Serena Williams at the French Open. Photograph: Christophe Simon/AFP/Getty Images

If Wide Awoke were invited to come up with a list of feminist moments of 2018, Serena Williams in a black catsuit winning her first grand slam match since giving birth would top it. Williams, probably the greatest female tennis player of all time, said the bodysuit she wore on court at this year’s French Open made her feel like “a warrior”, as well as helping her cope with the blood clots that threatened her life when she gave birth. It was fun, it was functional, it was fabulous. It made returning to work from maternity leave look like the stuff of superhero movies, which it basically is. Minus the kudos. The catsuit has been banned from future French Opens. “I believe we have sometimes gone too far,” said the French Tennis Federation president, Bernard Giudicelli. “Serena’s outfit this year, for example, would no longer be accepted. You have to respect the game and the place.” But how exactly does a full bodysuit go too far? This has nothing to do with respecting the game; in fact it shows deep disrespect to one of its greatest players.


What this is really about is the policing of women’s bodies and, in particular, the way in which black women’s bodies are othered, sexualised and dehumanised. In Williams’ case, this happens to an appalling degree, whether it is fellow players stuffing towels down their shirts and shorts in a mockery of her physique or commentators banging on about her “aggressive” play. Sometimes the language is coded, such as when Williams’ race is used as an explanation for her athleticism. Sometimes less so, such as with the American radio host who said of the Williams sisters: “I can’t even watch them play any more. I find it disgusting. They’re just too muscular. They’re boys.”

Is banning Williams’ catsuit racist? In and of itself, no. Clothing in sport has always been governed by strict rules. The problem is that the same rules don’t apply to everyone, especially if you happen to be a black woman at the top of your game. As Afua Hirsch writes in her book Brit(ish), comparing the treatment of Maria Sharapova with Venus Williams, “a white woman’s sexuality is cheeky, fun and tasteful; a black woman’s offensive, off-putting and indecent”.

What makes Serena Williams even more awesome is that she keeps doing what she does in such a hostile and ungracious environment. As she wrote in response to racist comments made by Ilie Năstase about her then unborn child, quoting Maya Angelou: “You may shoot me with your words … you may try to kill me with your hatefulness, but still like air I will rise.” Ideally in a black catsuit.


https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/aug/27/what-the-ban-on-serena-williams-catsuit-says-about-the-sexualising-of-black-womens-bodies

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What the ban on Serena Williams' catsuit says about the sexualising of black women's bodies (Original Post) niyad Aug 2018 OP
Serena's response of a black tutu is what makes her a true Feminist lunatica Aug 2018 #1
I saw the tutu right after I posted. yayyyyy for Serena, and a HUGE WTF for the governing niyad Aug 2018 #3
Yes! This, a thousand times! spicysista Aug 2018 #11
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #2
welcome to DU niyad Aug 2018 #4
Interestingly Enough Her Name Was White ProfessorGAC Aug 2018 #23
1985 Wimbleton zipplewrath Aug 2018 #26
My tennis outfits were policed janterry Aug 2018 #5
That isn't convenient to discuss. sarah FAILIN Aug 2018 #25
With no issue? jberryhill Aug 2018 #31
I did not know that sarah FAILIN Aug 2018 #37
It's what she's most well known for... jberryhill Aug 2018 #40
I'm not a tennis fan sarah FAILIN Aug 2018 #50
Back then they were called jumpsuits or so I have been told Farmer-Rick Aug 2018 #49
I hated them sarah FAILIN Aug 2018 #52
the rules requiring pure whites are just at wimbledon fishwax Aug 2018 #44
Well, see....look...women tennis players are supposed to MineralMan Aug 2018 #6
the fact that you actually had to add the sarcasm icon is a sad commentary on the state niyad Aug 2018 #7
Yes. Well, I've learned that satire doesn't always get recognized here. MineralMan Aug 2018 #8
I love the tutu response to that nutso ruling. niyad Aug 2018 #9
I would like to see women players wearing clothes spooky3 Aug 2018 #57
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #20
Gosh, thanks! MineralMan Aug 2018 #27
Well said! Nt spooky3 Aug 2018 #55
And the powers-that-be think that luvtheGWN Aug 2018 #58
I have no opinion on the all-important grunting issue. MineralMan Aug 2018 #62
Excellent article! spicysista Aug 2018 #10
thank you for sharing that most informative transcript from NPR. niyad Aug 2018 #14
thanks for this ++++ JHan Aug 2018 #68
.... spicysista Aug 2018 #69
Looking at Serena's Polly Hennessey Aug 2018 #12
Who has asked you to like it? Who has said spicysista Aug 2018 #15
Exactly. The point is where the ball goes and lands. MineralMan Aug 2018 #35
Yes! spicysista Aug 2018 #38
And there you are. MineralMan Aug 2018 #43
you can like or dislike whatever you please. one of the issues here is about enforcing your view niyad Aug 2018 #16
Well, then. And what about her, you know, sweating? MineralMan Aug 2018 #17
I think you're simply looking for an argument where none exists. LanternWaste Aug 2018 #41
What about American Football? forgotmylogin Aug 2018 #53
Different strokes uponit7771 Aug 2018 #61
I Hadn't Heard About The TuTu Me. Aug 2018 #13
I saw kpete's OP about her tutu right after I posted this. toooooo funny niyad Aug 2018 #18
Well +1 For Spreading The Word Me. Aug 2018 #19
Regardless of race left-of-center2012 Aug 2018 #21
WHY? niyad Aug 2018 #24
Yah, see my post above... MineralMan Aug 2018 #29
I know. how silly of me to have overlooked that. niyad Aug 2018 #30
Whenever someone says "regardless of race," MineralMan Aug 2018 #32
Some times dress codes are just dress codes left-of-center2012 Aug 2018 #36
Many people entertain pointless codes with further pointless justifications. LanternWaste Aug 2018 #42
tennis dress codes aren't really that strict fishwax Aug 2018 #45
This malaise Aug 2018 #22
The real problem is that she WINS! MineralMan Aug 2018 #28
Precisely malaise Aug 2018 #33
Yup. The Williams sisters have always been terrific! MineralMan Aug 2018 #34
I think the many ways she expresses herself through dress is awesome. Solly Mack Aug 2018 #39
So, Your Implication RobinA Aug 2018 #46
take it up with the author. niyad Aug 2018 #47
I agree janterry Aug 2018 #48
Wish I was wrong on this, but .... CloudWatcher Aug 2018 #51
geez!!!! you should have WARNED us!! niyad Aug 2018 #70
Good points raised; a few minor quibbles... spooky3 Aug 2018 #54
It actually says nothing at all about "the sexualising of black women's bodies". WillowTree Aug 2018 #56
the Agassi and the Anna White incident both involved Wimbledon fishwax Aug 2018 #59
"The French Open didn't have a dress code".......Well, now they do. WillowTree Aug 2018 #63
Yes, now they do. Because of Serena. fishwax Aug 2018 #64
So you're saying that the catsuits are the only thing they're now not allowing? WillowTree Aug 2018 #65
No, I've suggested no such thing fishwax Aug 2018 #66
OK. You win. Everything is always motivated by gender and/or racial bias. WillowTree Aug 2018 #67
K&R ismnotwasm Aug 2018 #60
I loved the catsuit. xmas74 Aug 2018 #71

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
1. Serena's response of a black tutu is what makes her a true Feminist
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:12 PM
Aug 2018

And it also serves the purpose of making her critics look idiotic. Great comebacks may be in-your-face obvious but hers is multi-layered with subtlety too.

niyad

(113,602 posts)
3. I saw the tutu right after I posted. yayyyyy for Serena, and a HUGE WTF for the governing
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:13 PM
Aug 2018

body of tennis.

Response to niyad (Original post)

ProfessorGAC

(65,235 posts)
23. Interestingly Enough Her Name Was White
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:50 PM
Aug 2018

Anne White wore a form fitting spandex white jumpsuit at Wimbledon and was told she couldn't wear it anymore. So, all white by White, and it was still against the rules?

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
26. 1985 Wimbleton
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:56 PM
Aug 2018
1985 may have been the year that Wimbledon fashion reached its apex. American player Anne White took to the court wearing an all-in-one spandex catsuit that was quite distracting to her opponent, Pam Shriver. Shriver ended up losing that match, and afterwards she asked tournament officials that White never ever wear that outfit again.


https://www.businessinsider.com/the-most-controversial-womens-outfits-in-wimbledon-history-2011-6
 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
5. My tennis outfits were policed
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:16 PM
Aug 2018

I grew up playing tennis at a country club. You could get pulled off a court for not wearing your tennis whites. Because it was the 70's, there was great controversy - and that was, how much pastel you could wear (just a seam, for instance, was okay - more than that.....questionable). Dark clothes, never.

These rules were for men and women, btw.

I have no idea about the history of tennis outfits beyond my playing days.

But I think a proper evaluation of this controversy would have to include the history of what we wear, why - and how that is changing - and what exceptions are made (or not made) for the top performers. If this article provided some context, I would be in a better position to agree or disagree.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
25. That isn't convenient to discuss.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:51 PM
Aug 2018

Forget the fact that people have worn white catsuits with no issue to Wimbledon, this is all about Serena.
Forget about the rules requiring pure whites on the court, exceptions must be made because Serena wants to sell a product.
This is not about the fact that different clothing like a black tutu is a distraction, this is obviously about Serena.
Only common folks like you and I have to go by dress codes and rules.



 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
31. With no issue?
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 02:02 PM
Aug 2018

Anne White was also told to get rid of the catsuit:



...and finished the match in a different outfit.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
37. I did not know that
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 02:20 PM
Aug 2018

All the people furious over the issue have been telling me she was not admonished at all because she is white and Serena is black. I should have investigated myself instead of taking their word for it. Considering thy were also claiming Serena had been banned from the French Open and I was trying to prove to them it was just the outfit that was banned, I really did drop the ball not looking into the white catsuit.
Thanks!

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
40. It's what she's most well known for...
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 02:28 PM
Aug 2018

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_White


With the match tied at one set all, play was stopped for the day because of bad light, and the umpire, Alan Mills, told her to wear more appropriate clothing the next day. She did so, and lost the third set, but the incident was widely reported. She was later quoted as saying, "I had no idea it would be so controversial."

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
50. I'm not a tennis fan
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 03:47 PM
Aug 2018

My husband had a tennis scholarship eons ago, but I preferred racquetball. I looked it up after you told me this. Huge distraction, lol. I think that was the point of it to be honest.

Farmer-Rick

(10,216 posts)
49. Back then they were called jumpsuits or so I have been told
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 03:25 PM
Aug 2018

My better half looked quite beautiful in a blue one....with a little more drape.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
52. I hated them
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 03:53 PM
Aug 2018

I had a jumpsuit uniform myself. You have to get totally undressed to go to the bathroom. Don't plan on a quick bathroom break.

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
44. the rules requiring pure whites are just at wimbledon
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 03:01 PM
Aug 2018

The French Open didn't really have any regulations for dress, and then Serena wore her catsuit and one of the French Open officials commented that things had gone too far and now they plan to have a dress code (though a more flexible one than Wimbledon) for next year. So it's not simply people's imagination when they say that the policy does seem to be inspired by the reaction to Serena's outfit.

MineralMan

(146,338 posts)
6. Well, see....look...women tennis players are supposed to
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:22 PM
Aug 2018

be trim, young and attractive. Oh, and refined, of course. The old women's tennis uniform, with its very short skirt, was just fine, see, because it displayed those young women's taut, firm, shapely legs very nicely. That's what women's tennis is supposed to look like, you understand.

Serena Williams is so, you know, large and muscular, not trim and delicate, like women should be, see. And she's not, well, what we're used to seeing on our lovely courts, you'll recognize, too. Tennis is a refined, dignified, polite sport, we believe, and Serena Williams does not quite project an image that recognizes tennis's heritage in some ways. Tennis is essentially an aristocratic sport, not a sport of the general hoi polloi, we think.

Now, understand, it's not a matter of race, by any means. No, we all appreciated that polite young Arthur Ashe, you'll remember. Serena Williams would do well to study him and look less coarse and, shall we say, primitive.

niyad

(113,602 posts)
7. the fact that you actually had to add the sarcasm icon is a sad commentary on the state
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:26 PM
Aug 2018

of our world.

MineralMan

(146,338 posts)
8. Yes. Well, I've learned that satire doesn't always get recognized here.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:29 PM
Aug 2018

Sometimes, I suppose, it just comes too close to the truth, as in this case.

I absolutely loved Serena's tutu response to this stupid demand. She has an extraordinary sense of humor, I think, based on just that.

spooky3

(34,488 posts)
57. I would like to see women players wearing clothes
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 04:09 PM
Aug 2018

That resemble the men’s—Shorts and tops that are long enough and loose enough to allow movement and not require tugging and not make the wearer self-conscious.

Response to MineralMan (Reply #6)

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
58. And the powers-that-be think that
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 04:12 PM
Aug 2018

grunting and/or screaming after each serve or volley is refined and dignified???!!!!! And yes, that is meant as sarcasm too. I don't remember if Serena does it, but too darn many players (male and female) do it. Drives me crazy!

MineralMan

(146,338 posts)
62. I have no opinion on the all-important grunting issue.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 05:40 PM
Aug 2018

When I watch tennis matches, I turn the sound off and play music. I can see the game just fine, and the current score is on the screen.

spicysista

(1,663 posts)
10. Excellent article!
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:31 PM
Aug 2018

There was a great discussion on NPR about this topic (a long while back) from a slightly different angle. It is important to look at how these attitudes actually affect black people within our own communities as well.

Here's a snippet of the transcript:

Prof. MILLER-YOUNG:

We have, like, a deep history that has kind of been articulated through homophobia and through erotophobia. And it's understandable. I mean, you know, what Dr. Samuels was speaking of, that we have to understand from the beginning. Slavery existed as a sexual economy, and that black bodies have always been (unintelligible) both breeders and concubines. They have been erotic - kind of illicit erotic commodities in an economy that is built upon our labor.

And one of the ways in which black communities try to deal with that is through kind of this culture of dissemblance or scholars discuss it. Which is basically about disidentifying with sexuality, you know, in total, in order to protect their selves from that kind of symbolic and actual threat that, you know, being hypersexual posed, particularly, you know, for example, the kind of scapegoating of black people in lynching as being, you know, sexual animals.

So, you know, we can have understand the kind of politics of respectability, then, as a way to kind of, you know, protect the community. But ends up - the problem is that it polices the community and disallows us to even talk about sex. Sex becomes the unspeakable. And it's so shocking and taboo within our own community for many people to talk about sex, let alone sexual labor, which my interest is in drawing a kind of genealogy to talk about. There's been a long history of black women and men participating in sexual labor as one kind of labor option…

CHIDEYA: Let me…

Prof. MILLER-YOUNG: …(unintelligible) kind of space.

CHIDEYA: Let me get Herbert back in here, because I was really struck by Mereille talking about the way that African-American folks, we may disidentify with sexuality as a whole in order to protect the image of the community. Do you think, Herbert, that the struggle between this view of the hyper-sexualized black man and black woman and the kind of correct, you know, right path walking person creates a space where people who are not strippers and not necessarily anti-pornography crusaders just feel like, gosh, you know, what can I do as a person in order to express myself as a full person, but also, you know, sort of be a standup person. Does that make any sense to you?

Prof. SAMUELS: Oh, sure. It makes perfect sense. And there's always been a split within the black community about accepting your sexuality for what it is and in what it might be presented to a larger community. And again, it goes back to the hyper sexuality of black men and black women. And you walk a fine line where you want to have a satisfying sex life yourself but you don't want to be perceived as being overly due it.


Full article and transcript: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10057104

I loved her catsuit! I thought she exuded power and confidence. I am, however, a bit of a fan girl over Serena who believes that she can do no wrong.... so, there's that.

niyad

(113,602 posts)
14. thank you for sharing that most informative transcript from NPR.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:35 PM
Aug 2018

I don't follow any sport, but I love Ms. Williams' response to the absurdity.

Polly Hennessey

(6,810 posts)
12. Looking at Serena's
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:34 PM
Aug 2018

butt crack does not make me enjoy tennis more, nor does not liking the look make me sexist.

spicysista

(1,663 posts)
15. Who has asked you to like it? Who has said
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:37 PM
Aug 2018

that you must enjoy looking at her rear of any other part? If you're watching a tennis match, why are you so focused on her outfit?

MineralMan

(146,338 posts)
35. Exactly. The point is where the ball goes and lands.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 02:12 PM
Aug 2018

I always watched the ball in tennis matches. That's why people's heads are moving back and forth during a match.

niyad

(113,602 posts)
16. you can like or dislike whatever you please. one of the issues here is about enforcing your view
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:37 PM
Aug 2018

on other people.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
41. I think you're simply looking for an argument where none exists.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 02:39 PM
Aug 2018

Who has argued otherwise?

Who has stated observing her "butt crack" makes the game better, or has implied that not thinking as such indicates sexism?

forgotmylogin

(7,539 posts)
53. What about American Football?
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 03:55 PM
Aug 2018

If they don't like the way tights make the players look:





Perhaps I could understand if Serena had been wearing something akin to a ballroom dancing outfit, but what's seriously wrong with a bodysuit?

Me.

(35,454 posts)
13. I Hadn't Heard About The TuTu
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:35 PM
Aug 2018

I'm thrilled and a big you know what to all the white men, especially the FRench one who started this, and their problem with women, especially black ones. She wins, again, they lose.

MineralMan

(146,338 posts)
32. Whenever someone says "regardless of race,"
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 02:04 PM
Aug 2018

it always seems to have to do with race somehow. Isn't that odd?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
42. Many people entertain pointless codes with further pointless justifications.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 02:41 PM
Aug 2018

Regardless of what we may allege is without regard.

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
45. tennis dress codes aren't really that strict
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 03:02 PM
Aug 2018

They're strict at Wimbledon, but that's really the exception and not the rule.

malaise

(269,212 posts)
22. This
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:50 PM
Aug 2018

What makes Serena Williams even more awesome is that she keeps doing what she does in such a hostile and ungracious environment.
Go Serena - get that 24 and tell the racists to Fugg off!

Solly Mack

(90,791 posts)
39. I think the many ways she expresses herself through dress is awesome.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 02:27 PM
Aug 2018

It's part of who she is, and Serena Williams is phenomenal.

RobinA

(9,898 posts)
46. So, Your Implication
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 03:07 PM
Aug 2018

is that white men would be allowed to wear a catsuit? I truly hope that day will never come. Yeah, Serena takes some crap, but the catsuit ain’t it.

CloudWatcher

(1,851 posts)
51. Wish I was wrong on this, but ....
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 03:52 PM
Aug 2018

I'm an old, fat, white guy, and kinda knew before looking that this French Open nonsense came from an old, fat, white guy.



Mr Giudicelli said on Friday that the tournament - which Williams has won three times - would be implementing a stricter dress code from 2019 and called on players to "respect the game".
...
"I believe we have sometimes gone too far. Serena's outfit this year, for example, would no longer be accepted. You have to respect the game and the place."


What an idiot! Btw I loved the Tutu response. Wow

Source

spooky3

(34,488 posts)
54. Good points raised; a few minor quibbles...
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 04:03 PM
Aug 2018

Serena is fabulous as a tennis champion and as a person. She and other players of color have faced hostility and racism (and sexism) and many are still in denial about that.

Quibbles:

With regard to the shirt and skirt stuffing, that was done as an inside joke by one of Serena’s best friends on tour, Caroline Wozniacki. It really does not qualify as an incident supporting the author’s points.

Wimbledon has always had an extreme dress code imposed on all players. There seems to be a controversy about every other year. The French Open has been less restrictive and the others even less so. But the catsuit ban by the French is certainly not out of line with other standards maintained. For example, men cannot wear sleeveless tops at Wimbledon and maybe not at the French, but they can at the US Open. Women may. And Serena did NOT express public objection to the French Open action. She owns a Paris apartment and probably would agree that the French have more conservative dress tastes in general than we do.

A larger concern IMHO, is that men’s attire is sensible for their playing, but women’s attire at all events seems designed increasingly to promote their sexuality rather than provide maximum playing support or comfort. The sexualization and objectification, and disapproval of any extra pounds or perceived imperfections, occurs with women of all races.


WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
56. It actually says nothing at all about "the sexualising of black women's bodies".
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 04:07 PM
Aug 2018

Tennis has always had fairly strict, somewhat prissy dress codes for both men and women. As I recall, Andre Agassi sat out some tournaments because he wasn't agreeable to their dress requirements and the issue with Anne White's white catsuit has already been mentioned.

These are privately run events and they can make whatever rules about such things that they see fit so long as they aren't discriminatory or in some way illegal and the players can either abide by those rules or play somewhere else or not play. In this case it doesn't have anything to do with gender or race or both. It's really just that simple.

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
59. the Agassi and the Anna White incident both involved Wimbledon
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 05:15 PM
Aug 2018

It's not really true that tennis has always had a strict prissy dress code. Wimbledon always has, and many other tournaments and country clubs did decades ago, but that hasn't been the case for most other tournaments on the tour for a long time. Wimbledon is, and long has been, the exception rather than the rule.

The French Open didn't have a dress code. Agassi wore jorts there back in the day. But recently the chair of the French open said that, starting next year, the tournament would have a dress code, and he specifically mentioned Serena's catsuit in doing so.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
63. "The French Open didn't have a dress code".......Well, now they do.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:08 PM
Aug 2018

It's their tournament and they get to make the rules. Same for the US Open and the Australian Open and Wembledon and any other club holding a tourney. They don't like catsuits, they can ban them from their games. Just because they've decided that one of the things they don't want at the French Open is catsuits and gave Serena's as an example, it doesn't have to be about race and it doesn't have to be about gender just because she happens to be an African American woman. Apparently they just don't like catsuits. EVERYTHING doesn't have to be about discrimination and interpreting everything as discriminatory only dilutes the argument in cases of actual discrimination.

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
66. No, I've suggested no such thing
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 11:13 PM
Aug 2018

Saying that this has something to do with women's bodies in general and Serena (who, along with her sister Venus, has faced different standards and attitudes since she came on the tour because of the color of her skin) specifically is not the same as saying that this is only about Serena or only about her race or only about women.

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