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to him in the US, and then McCain personally delivered it to James Comey at the FBI.
He didn't get the dossier and sit on it or otherwise suppress it. (Weeks or months earlier it had been passed along to someone in the FBI, but nothing appeared to be happening with it.)
The Rethugs in power must have hated him for that. And we should all be grateful.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/11/trump-russia-report-opposition-research-john-mccain
In mid-November, the documents took another route into Washington that ultimately led to them being mentioned in the joint intelligence report on Russian interference that was delivered to President Obama and President-elect Trump. On 18 November, the annual Halifax International Security Forum opened in the Canadian city, bringing together serving and former security and foreign policy officials from around the world.
Senator John McCain, a hawkish Republican, was there and was introduced to a former senior western diplomat who had seen the documents, knew their source and thought him highly reliable. McCain decided the implications were sufficiently alarming to dispatch a trusted emissary, a former US official, to meet the source and find out more.
The emissary hastily arranged a transatlantic flight and met the source at the airport as arranged. (The Guardian has agreed not to specify the city or country where the meeting took place.) The meeting had a certain cold war tradecraft to it, as he was told to look for a man with a copy of the Financial Times. Having found each other, the retired counter-intelligence officer drove the emissary to his house, where they discussed the documents and their background.
The emissary flew back within 24 hours and showed McCain the documents, saying it was hard to impossible to verify them without a proper investigation. McCain said he was reluctant to get involved, lest it be perceived as payback for insulting remarks Trump had made about him during his rambunctious campaign.
However, on 9 December, McCain arranged a one-on-one meeting with Comey, with no aides present, and handed them over.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Heroes do the right thing when given difficult choices.
B2G
(9,766 posts)Not his healthcare vote.
he wasn't compromisable, at least not to the degree we are seeing in the rest. That might not be a real word!
superpatriotman
(6,252 posts).45 won't even stay in a Hilton
murielm99
(30,773 posts)So is uncompromisable, which I prefer.
You are correct in your sentiments. I am not trying to be a grammar nazi. I like the sound of uncompromisable.
2naSalit
(86,822 posts)I have a pretty good grip on the language but some days, I am just not sure when an unusual word comes up in my head, at least I could spell it!
McCain was also a co-sponser of the Magninsky Act! And it is still all about the sanctions!
Sancho
(9,070 posts)thats why tRump hated McCain...
dchill
(38,556 posts)And many other Intel pros. These people have SEEN the classified stuff. They fucking KNOW. But they can't reveal.
DownriverDem
(6,232 posts)I just saw where he said his security clearance had not been yanked. trump et al probably doesn't know how to do it.
Cosmocat
(14,575 posts)the only thing greater than their delusional views of the world is their incompetence.
MontanaMama
(23,344 posts)when all hell was breaking loose with security clearances. I wondered and still wonder about how a security clearance is actually granted/stripped...the WH may say one thing but they are not the issuing agency. That and the fact that so many crucial positions in our government...particularly in the IC are unfilled - how is this or anything else accomplished?
FakeNoose
(32,791 posts)Just let that sink in. He saw all the names and all the connections before the FBI redacted those facts.
It makes me wonder why he didn't leave the GOP immediately?!
iluvtennis
(19,880 posts)system would take care of it.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Maybe he thought he would be more effectual working from inside the party?
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)document dump. And that is why Trump is pissed. Nance nailed it from the get go.
SunSeeker
(51,740 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,342 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)spanone
(135,891 posts)sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)He was one of the ones he wanted sent to Russia for questioning along with the man that told McCain it existed.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)Including for all of his nominations for various positions, to remove funding for the ACA, etc.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/john-mccain/
BannonsLiver
(16,493 posts)themaguffin
(3,828 posts)pnwmom
(109,000 posts)https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/11/trump-russia-report-opposition-research-john-mccain
In mid-November, the documents took another route into Washington that ultimately led to them being mentioned in the joint intelligence report on Russian interference that was delivered to President Obama and President-elect Trump. On 18 November, the annual Halifax International Security Forum opened in the Canadian city, bringing together serving and former security and foreign policy officials from around the world.
Senator John McCain, a hawkish Republican, was there and was introduced to a former senior western diplomat who had seen the documents, knew their source and thought him highly reliable. McCain decided the implications were sufficiently alarming to dispatch a trusted emissary, a former US official, to meet the source and find out more.
The emissary hastily arranged a transatlantic flight and met the source at the airport as arranged. (The Guardian has agreed not to specify the city or country where the meeting took place.) The meeting had a certain cold war tradecraft to it, as he was told to look for a man with a copy of the Financial Times. Having found each other, the retired counter-intelligence officer drove the emissary to his house, where they discussed the documents and their background.
The emissary flew back within 24 hours and showed McCain the documents, saying it was hard to impossible to verify them without a proper investigation. McCain said he was reluctant to get involved, lest it be perceived as payback for insulting remarks Trump had made about him during his rambunctious campaign.
However, on 9 December, McCain arranged a one-on-one meeting with Comey, with no aides present, and handed them over.
SkyDancer
(561 posts)Can I gag yet?
AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)Also, I remember after the inauguration, McCain said he was particularly impressed with Trumps national security team. At the time, there was Brannan and others who McCain trusted.
The dossier would have probably reached FBI even w/o McCain. After all it was comissioned by Bush and then carried over to Clinton. Both of them would have shared it with FBI also.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)involved - supposedly paid for dossier - Fusion GPS - and then McCain was presented with the dossier...so confusing....
Senator John McCain, a hawkish Republican, was there and was introduced to a former senior western diplomat who had seen the documents, knew their source and thought him highly reliable. McCain decided the implications were sufficiently alarming to dispatch a trusted emissary, a former US official, to meet the source and find out more.
Leghorn21
(13,527 posts)I like people who werent captured, which seemed to be the beginning of his venom toward McCain...but McCain didnt deliver the Dossier until about a year and a half later.
So my best guess is that trump knew from the get-go that Putin hated McCain for his Magnitsky Act sponsorship (along with Ben Cardin), and trump subsequently spewed anti-McCain rhetoric the first chance he got (for NO apparent reason at all) -
May 2011 - McCain and Cardin present their case re: Magnitsky Act:
Mr. McCAIN. I thank the Chair.
Mr. President, in a few minutes my colleague from Maryland, Senator Cardin, will be introducing a bill which I am a cosponsor of, along with a large bipartisan group of our colleagues. I wish to emphasize at the outset that some may characterize this legislation as anti-Russian. In fact, I believe it is pro-Russian. It is pro the people of Russia. It is pro the people who stand up for human rights and democracy in that country which, unfortunately, seems to be sadly deprived of.
Much more:
https://www.csce.gov/international-impact/press-and-media/speeches/senators-cardin-and-mccain-engage-colloquy-magnitsky
December 2012:
The Magnitsky Act, formally known as the Russia and Moldova JacksonVanik Repeal and Sergei Magnitsky Rule of Law Accountability Act of 2012, is a bipartisan bill passed by the U.S. Congress and signed by President Obama in December 2012, intending to punish Russian officials responsible for the death of Russian tax accountant Sergei Magnitsky in a Moscow prison in 2009.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnitsky_Act
July 2015:
I like people who werent captured
https://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/trump-attacks-mccain-i-like-people-who-werent-captured-120317
December 2016, McCain delivers Dossier to Comey
As Bill Browder would tell us,
its all about sanctions
- always was, always will be
On edit, adding tweet from Mr. Browder yesterday:
@vkaramurza
and I pay tribute to John McCain on
@AliVelshi
@MSNBC
. Sen. John McCain stood up for the victims of
Putins dictatorship including Sergei Magnitsky and
we got some measure of justice with the passage of
the Magnitsky Act. RIP hero John McCain
Link to tweet
pnwmom
(109,000 posts)Leghorn21
(13,527 posts)(and if you have any use for what I posted, please do help yourself!!)
I just could NOT puzzle out yesterday when I wondered, WHY was trump such a viscous jerk towards McCain, when I knew his Dossier delivery came so much later after that? So it has to be the Magnitsky Act, and its just that simple.
Its along the same lines of trumps targeting McCabe and Strzok (and Comey?) - either trump or Putin knew they had trumps number, and so he (they) disposed of them accordingly. Its just...unimaginable, but here we are.
HANG TOUGH, mom!!
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)I think his opinions align pretty closely to Pence (both are hawks and conservatives). Some of Pence's theocracy is off putting, but on the main issues they are nearly in complete alignment.
pnwmom
(109,000 posts)exboyfil
(17,865 posts)Wasn't Kasich first approached for the VP? At the time Trump was having difficulty finding any national politician to run with him. Pence had the resume. I think it will be incredibly difficult to remove Pence (even more so than Trump).
emulatorloo
(44,192 posts)Conspiracy.
pnwmom
(109,000 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)wryter2000
(46,083 posts)Neither did I know the American Indians felt he was so fair in his dealings with them.