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pnwmom

(109,000 posts)
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:37 AM Aug 2018

John McCain sent his assistant to Europe to hand-carry the Steele dossier

Last edited Tue Aug 28, 2018, 02:14 PM - Edit history (4)

to him in the US, and then McCain personally delivered it to James Comey at the FBI.

He didn't get the dossier and sit on it or otherwise suppress it. (Weeks or months earlier it had been passed along to someone in the FBI, but nothing appeared to be happening with it.)

The Rethugs in power must have hated him for that. And we should all be grateful.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/11/trump-russia-report-opposition-research-john-mccain

In mid-November, the documents took another route into Washington that ultimately led to them being mentioned in the joint intelligence report on Russian interference that was delivered to President Obama and President-elect Trump. On 18 November, the annual Halifax International Security Forum opened in the Canadian city, bringing together serving and former security and foreign policy officials from around the world.

Senator John McCain, a hawkish Republican, was there and was introduced to a former senior western diplomat who had seen the documents, knew their source and thought him highly reliable. McCain decided the implications were sufficiently alarming to dispatch a trusted emissary, a former US official, to meet the source and find out more.

The emissary hastily arranged a transatlantic flight and met the source at the airport as arranged. (The Guardian has agreed not to specify the city or country where the meeting took place.) The meeting had a certain cold war tradecraft to it, as he was told to look for a man with a copy of the Financial Times. Having found each other, the retired counter-intelligence officer drove the emissary to his house, where they discussed the documents and their background.

The emissary flew back within 24 hours and showed McCain the documents, saying it was hard to impossible to verify them without a proper investigation. McCain said he was reluctant to get involved, lest it be perceived as payback for insulting remarks Trump had made about him during his rambunctious campaign.

However, on 9 December, McCain arranged a one-on-one meeting with Comey, with no aides present, and handed them over.

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John McCain sent his assistant to Europe to hand-carry the Steele dossier (Original Post) pnwmom Aug 2018 OP
His actions were quite heroic. Cracklin Charlie Aug 2018 #1
This is why Trump hated him. B2G Aug 2018 #2
Exactly 2naSalit Aug 2018 #3
McCain stayed in the Hanoi Hilton by choice - because of his uncompromisabilty superpatriotman Aug 2018 #16
It is a real word. murielm99 Aug 2018 #17
Thanks... 2naSalit Aug 2018 #23
Magninsky Act justie18 Aug 2018 #20
McCain knew that tRump was a Russian plant Sancho Aug 2018 #4
Same story with John Brennan... dchill Aug 2018 #7
About John Brennan DownriverDem Aug 2018 #10
no doubt Cosmocat Aug 2018 #14
I posted this question on another thread MontanaMama Aug 2018 #19
He saw the original un-redacted version FakeNoose Aug 2018 #5
McCain believed in "regular order" with regard to political business - he was trusting that the iluvtennis Aug 2018 #6
Thought he could save the brand from the extremists? ProudLib72 Aug 2018 #8
I read that first 35 page Wellstone ruled Aug 2018 #15
K & R SunSeeker Aug 2018 #9
That was McCain GOING ROGUE in a way they don't like bucolic_frolic Aug 2018 #11
Kick and recommend. bronxiteforever Aug 2018 #12
K&R... spanone Aug 2018 #13
Putin wanted his assistant. sarah FAILIN Aug 2018 #18
And then he voted with Trump 83% of the time cbdo2007 Aug 2018 #21
Oh well, I guess it beats 100 percent. BannonsLiver Aug 2018 #24
I had no idea he was involved in this at all. Wow. themaguffin Aug 2018 #22
I just added this to the OP, in case there were others who hadn't heard. pnwmom Aug 2018 #26
He apparently was a human rights champion too! SkyDancer Aug 2018 #25
makes sense AlexSFCA Aug 2018 #27
I suppose at some point I will come to understand HOW the Clinton Campaign became asiliveandbreathe Aug 2018 #28
Yes, mom!! I was trying to put together a timeline yesterday of when it was trump said Leghorn21 Aug 2018 #29
Thanks for the timeline! Have you made this an OP? pnwmom Aug 2018 #32
No - I was aimed in that direction, but your OP spells it out just fine, mom! Leghorn21 Aug 2018 #35
Was McCain hoping for an early knock out of Trump exboyfil Aug 2018 #30
I think DT and Pence, who was chosen by Manafort, will go down together. pnwmom Aug 2018 #31
Or Pence was picked to balance the ticket exboyfil Aug 2018 #34
Pence lied repeatedly about Flynn. Possibly he's up to his eyeballs in the Russia/Trump conspir emulatorloo Aug 2018 #36
Here's another point of view. pnwmom Aug 2018 #37
K&R Scurrilous Aug 2018 #33
I had no idea wryter2000 Aug 2018 #38

2naSalit

(86,822 posts)
3. Exactly
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 11:00 AM
Aug 2018

he wasn't compromisable, at least not to the degree we are seeing in the rest. That might not be a real word!

superpatriotman

(6,252 posts)
16. McCain stayed in the Hanoi Hilton by choice - because of his uncompromisabilty
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 12:42 PM
Aug 2018

.45 won't even stay in a Hilton

murielm99

(30,773 posts)
17. It is a real word.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 12:50 PM
Aug 2018

So is uncompromisable, which I prefer.

You are correct in your sentiments. I am not trying to be a grammar nazi. I like the sound of uncompromisable.

2naSalit

(86,822 posts)
23. Thanks...
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:48 PM
Aug 2018

I have a pretty good grip on the language but some days, I am just not sure when an unusual word comes up in my head, at least I could spell it!

justie18

(169 posts)
20. Magninsky Act
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:37 PM
Aug 2018

McCain was also a co-sponser of the Magninsky Act! And it is still all about the sanctions!

dchill

(38,556 posts)
7. Same story with John Brennan...
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 11:57 AM
Aug 2018

And many other Intel pros. These people have SEEN the classified stuff. They fucking KNOW. But they can't reveal.

DownriverDem

(6,232 posts)
10. About John Brennan
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 12:16 PM
Aug 2018

I just saw where he said his security clearance had not been yanked. trump et al probably doesn't know how to do it.

MontanaMama

(23,344 posts)
19. I posted this question on another thread
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:33 PM
Aug 2018

when all hell was breaking loose with security clearances. I wondered and still wonder about how a security clearance is actually granted/stripped...the WH may say one thing but they are not the issuing agency. That and the fact that so many crucial positions in our government...particularly in the IC are unfilled - how is this or anything else accomplished?

FakeNoose

(32,791 posts)
5. He saw the original un-redacted version
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 11:51 AM
Aug 2018

Just let that sink in. He saw all the names and all the connections before the FBI redacted those facts.
It makes me wonder why he didn't leave the GOP immediately?!

iluvtennis

(19,880 posts)
6. McCain believed in "regular order" with regard to political business - he was trusting that the
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 11:55 AM
Aug 2018

system would take care of it.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
8. Thought he could save the brand from the extremists?
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 11:57 AM
Aug 2018

Maybe he thought he would be more effectual working from inside the party?



 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
15. I read that first 35 page
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 12:41 PM
Aug 2018

document dump. And that is why Trump is pissed. Nance nailed it from the get go.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
18. Putin wanted his assistant.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 12:53 PM
Aug 2018

He was one of the ones he wanted sent to Russia for questioning along with the man that told McCain it existed.

pnwmom

(109,000 posts)
26. I just added this to the OP, in case there were others who hadn't heard.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 02:00 PM
Aug 2018

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/11/trump-russia-report-opposition-research-john-mccain

In mid-November, the documents took another route into Washington that ultimately led to them being mentioned in the joint intelligence report on Russian interference that was delivered to President Obama and President-elect Trump. On 18 November, the annual Halifax International Security Forum opened in the Canadian city, bringing together serving and former security and foreign policy officials from around the world.

Senator John McCain, a hawkish Republican, was there and was introduced to a former senior western diplomat who had seen the documents, knew their source and thought him highly reliable. McCain decided the implications were sufficiently alarming to dispatch a trusted emissary, a former US official, to meet the source and find out more.

The emissary hastily arranged a transatlantic flight and met the source at the airport as arranged. (The Guardian has agreed not to specify the city or country where the meeting took place.) The meeting had a certain cold war tradecraft to it, as he was told to look for a man with a copy of the Financial Times. Having found each other, the retired counter-intelligence officer drove the emissary to his house, where they discussed the documents and their background.

The emissary flew back within 24 hours and showed McCain the documents, saying it was hard to impossible to verify them without a proper investigation. McCain said he was reluctant to get involved, lest it be perceived as payback for insulting remarks Trump had made about him during his rambunctious campaign.

However, on 9 December, McCain arranged a one-on-one meeting with Comey, with no aides present, and handed them over.

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
27. makes sense
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 02:22 PM
Aug 2018

Also, I remember after the inauguration, McCain said he was particularly impressed with Trump’s national security team. At the time, there was Brannan and others who McCain trusted.
The dossier would have probably reached FBI even w/o McCain. After all it was comissioned by Bush and then carried over to Clinton. Both of them would have shared it with FBI also.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
28. I suppose at some point I will come to understand HOW the Clinton Campaign became
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 02:26 PM
Aug 2018

involved - supposedly paid for dossier - Fusion GPS - and then McCain was presented with the dossier...so confusing....

On 18 November, the annual Halifax International Security Forum opened in the Canadian city, bringing together serving and former security and foreign policy officials from around the world.

Senator John McCain, a hawkish Republican, was there and was introduced to a former senior western diplomat who had seen the documents, knew their source and thought him highly reliable. McCain decided the implications were sufficiently alarming to dispatch a trusted emissary, a former US official, to meet the source and find out more.

Leghorn21

(13,527 posts)
29. Yes, mom!! I was trying to put together a timeline yesterday of when it was trump said
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 02:37 PM
Aug 2018

“I like people who weren’t captured”, which seemed to be the beginning of his venom toward McCain...but McCain didn’t deliver the Dossier until about a year and a half later.

So my best guess is that trump knew from the get-go that Putin hated McCain for his Magnitsky Act sponsorship (along with Ben Cardin), and trump subsequently spewed anti-McCain rhetoric the first chance he got (for NO apparent reason at all) -


May 2011 - McCain and Cardin present their case re: Magnitsky Act:

Mr. McCAIN. I thank the Chair.

Mr. President, in a few minutes my colleague from Maryland, Senator Cardin, will be introducing a bill which I am a cosponsor of, along with a large bipartisan group of our colleagues. I wish to emphasize at the outset that some may characterize this legislation as anti-Russian. In fact, I believe it is pro-Russian. It is pro the people of Russia. It is pro the people who stand up for human rights and democracy in that country which, unfortunately, seems to be sadly deprived of.

Much more:
https://www.csce.gov/international-impact/press-and-media/speeches/senators-cardin-and-mccain-engage-colloquy-magnitsky

December 2012:

The Magnitsky Act, formally known as the Russia and Moldova Jackson–Vanik Repeal and Sergei Magnitsky Rule of Law Accountability Act of 2012, is a bipartisan bill passed by the U.S. Congress and signed by President Obama in December 2012, intending to punish Russian officials responsible for the death of Russian tax accountant Sergei Magnitsky in a Moscow prison in 2009.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnitsky_Act

July 2015:

“I like people who weren’t captured”

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/trump-attacks-mccain-i-like-people-who-werent-captured-120317

December 2016, McCain delivers Dossier to Comey

As Bill Browder would tell us,
its all about sanctions”
- always was, always will be



On edit, adding tweet from Mr. Browder yesterday:

@vkaramurza
and I pay tribute to John McCain on
@AliVelshi

@MSNBC
. Sen. John McCain stood up for the victims of
Putin’s dictatorship including Sergei Magnitsky and
we got some measure of justice with the passage of
the Magnitsky Act. RIP hero John McCain




Leghorn21

(13,527 posts)
35. No - I was aimed in that direction, but your OP spells it out just fine, mom!
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 03:11 PM
Aug 2018

(and if you have any use for what I posted, please do help yourself!!)

I just could NOT puzzle out yesterday when I wondered, WHY was trump such a viscous jerk towards McCain, when I knew his Dossier delivery came so much later after that? So it has to be the Magnitsky Act, and it’s just that simple.

It’s along the same lines of trump’s targeting McCabe and Strzok (and Comey?) - either trump or Putin knew they had trumps number, and so he (they) disposed of them accordingly. It’s just...unimaginable, but here we are.

HANG TOUGH, mom!!

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
30. Was McCain hoping for an early knock out of Trump
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 02:40 PM
Aug 2018

I think his opinions align pretty closely to Pence (both are hawks and conservatives). Some of Pence's theocracy is off putting, but on the main issues they are nearly in complete alignment.

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
34. Or Pence was picked to balance the ticket
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 03:02 PM
Aug 2018

Wasn't Kasich first approached for the VP? At the time Trump was having difficulty finding any national politician to run with him. Pence had the resume. I think it will be incredibly difficult to remove Pence (even more so than Trump).

emulatorloo

(44,192 posts)
36. Pence lied repeatedly about Flynn. Possibly he's up to his eyeballs in the Russia/Trump conspir
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 03:17 PM
Aug 2018

Conspiracy.

wryter2000

(46,083 posts)
38. I had no idea
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:50 PM
Aug 2018

Neither did I know the American Indians felt he was so fair in his dealings with them.

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