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pnwmom

(109,001 posts)
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:18 AM Aug 2018

Bernie led the recent fight to retain the caucuses, instead of shifting to primaries everywhere.

And he claims this is a good thing.

Here's why it isn't. In my state, we had a near record turnout in 2016: 4.5%.

There is no such thing as a secret ballot. You have to debate and vote on issues in public -- even if you don't want your spouse, neighbor, or boss to know how you voted.

Voting requires you to be available at a specific time for several hours or longer. In my state if you're in a rural area you might have to travel hours to get to a caucus.

The voters of my state hate caucuses so much hardly anyone goes to them, and we strongly approved a referendum to replace them with a primary. But the Democratic party went to court to keep the caucuses, and the judge ruled that the party can choose its nominees however it wants to.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/12/09/democrats-recommend-superdelegate-fixes-will-keep-caucuses/?utm_term=.0512f7959e3e

The Democratic Party’s Unity Reform Commission, created to retool the primary process in the wake of the bitter 2016 contest between Hillary Clinton and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), ended with a dramatic short-term win for the Sanders faction as a motion to favor primaries over caucuses was stopped by one vote.

“The Democratic Party will not become a vibrant and successful 50-state party until it opens its doors widely to the working people and young people of our country,” Sanders said in a statement. “I am extremely pleased that the Unity Reform Commission has begun that process, voting nearly unanimously to limit the role of superdelegates along with making our caucuses and primaries more democratic.”

SNIP

Sanders, like former president Barack Obama, had dominated in caucuses in his insurgent bid against Hillary Clinton. But the caucuses themselves, which often require voters to come to single locations for hours at a time, have been criticized for limiting the ability of voters with weekend jobs or personal commitments.

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Bernie led the recent fight to retain the caucuses, instead of shifting to primaries everywhere. (Original Post) pnwmom Aug 2018 OP
It's voter suppression so it's NOT a good thing.. Listen to Paul Waldman Cha Aug 2018 #1
I've never understood caucuses Phoenix61 Aug 2018 #2
Because it's less expensive to hold caucuses instead of primaries. TexasTowelie Aug 2018 #3
It costs MUCH MORE in my state -- so they pass around envelopes at the caucuses pnwmom Aug 2018 #11
How the hell does he have any say in the matter? GoCubsGo Aug 2018 #4
The Party's URC Asked Him ProfessorGAC Aug 2018 #10
Caucuses are easier to rig. McCamy Taylor Aug 2018 #5
Aren't those decisions in the hands of the states themselves? bullwinkle428 Aug 2018 #6
Sanders outperformed expectations in caucuses. MrsCoffee Aug 2018 #7
Who is surprised by this? Gothmog Aug 2018 #8
Fringe elements always stand a better chance in a system where the fewest numbers are involved. nt NCTraveler Aug 2018 #9

Phoenix61

(17,021 posts)
2. I've never understood caucuses
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 07:24 AM
Aug 2018

If everyone can't vote in the primary what's to get them excited about voting in the general? IMHO, having primaries gets people excited about the candidates. It also lets them know if they have been removed from the voting rolls in time to be registered for the general election.

TexasTowelie

(112,505 posts)
3. Because it's less expensive to hold caucuses instead of primaries.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 07:33 AM
Aug 2018

I believe that another one of the Western states was considering it a few years ago since the state would save money. I don't think that idea was looked upon favorably after 2016 though.

pnwmom

(109,001 posts)
11. It costs MUCH MORE in my state -- so they pass around envelopes at the caucuses
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:10 AM
Aug 2018

and beg us to contribute.

EVEN THOUGH we wouldn't have to pay a dime to switch to primaries, because the state funds the voter-approved primary. Dems even vote in the primary, but it's a "beauty contest." The votes don't count toward delegates, because that's how the party wants it.The party even went to court to insist on its right to select delegates via caucuses instead of the primary. (The GOP uses the state funded primary -- they shut down their caucuses after the state's voters voted to have a primary instead.


MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
7. Sanders outperformed expectations in caucuses.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 09:07 AM
Aug 2018

And felt threatened by the super delegates.

As always, it’s about what is best for him, not the Democratic Party.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
9. Fringe elements always stand a better chance in a system where the fewest numbers are involved. nt
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 09:32 AM
Aug 2018
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