LOL - RW morons circulating this meme

[NewJeffCT]

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1) it means they realize impeachment is a possibility
2) if Trump is impeached, he cannot be pardoned, per the Constitution
3) Impeachment, I believe, also precludes the impeached from every holding public office again.

[MiniMe]

1. Pence doesn't get to appoint a VP

Idiots, he can nominate a VP, but if tRump is impeached and removed from office by the Senate, he won't be approved. They need to learn how the government works

[lapfog_1]

28. Senate and the House

It's the one approval that the House gets... 50%+1 have to approve of a nominated VP.

If the House impeached Trump, it will NOT approve his appointment to VEEP.

[Rorey]

2. Pence has been salivating about becoming President his whole life.

He'd never resign. I guess trumpkins think that Pence has the same blind devotion that they have.

[Bengus81]

3. If Impeached and removed he couldn't hold ANY office..........

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

[onenote]

45. Not necessarily

Congress historically has treated the disqualification clause as separate from the removal from office clause. In some instances, the Senate has tacked on a "disqualification" condition following a vote to convict an impeached official and in some cases the Senate does not do so. That is why Alcee Hastings, who was impeached, convicted and removed from his federal judgeship could run for and be elected to Congress -- the vote to remove him from his judgeship was not accompanied by a vote to disqualify him from other offices.

There also is a question as to whether the term "any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States" applies to elected positions or just to appointed positions. That question to my knowledge has never been definitively resolved.

Of course, the issue isn't whether Trump would be eligible post impeachment and removal to regain the Presidency -- it's whether the House and Senate that had just voted to impeach and remove him would then approve him to be the VP. Seems highly unlikely.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

4. 4) They forget nomination of VP is not appointment but requires approval by Congress.

[erpowers]

19. More Than 60 Million Americans Are Not That Bright

Now you know why they voted for Trump and why Trump loves the poorly educated.

[fierywoman]

27. They are also the result of cutbacks for public education over the last 40 or so years.

[Downtown Hound]

5. Even if this was possible, (which it isn't) what makes them think

Pence would be so willing to step aside?

[unblock]

6. impeachment doesn't automatically preclude future public office,

it's merely one of the possible punishments the senate can mete out upon conviction. but surely they would, in the unlikely event they ever manage to actually remove the bastard.

that said, if donnie and pence tried this, why on earth would they think a congress who just impeached donnie then go and confirm him for vice-president?

oh, right, i know. because right-wingers are morans.

[joshcryer]

12. No, a successful impeachment means never holding office again. Ever.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

It's quite literally the highest form of political punishment (and why Clinton's impeachment was a joke of epic proportions).

[unblock]

21. "Shall not extend further" only means there can't be further punishment

It means the senate can't imprison someone through the impeachment process (though an ordinary court could do that).

It does not mean that conviction necessarily requires the punishment of being barred from future office, though in practice I'm guessing it usually if not always happens that way.

[joshcryer]

25. Yeah, the Senate can't do anything but remove from office.

But whoever is charging him or indicting him is free to do so.

Obviously this is all in the event of a successful impeachment. I think the Republicans have muddied the water here, because while Bill Clinton had impeachment proceedings enacted, he wasn't actually impeached, that is, removed from office, found guilty. But because they started the proceedings in common vernacular it means he was impeached. I suppose you can say he was impeached by Congress but not by the Senate. So he wasn't actually impeached. English is weird.

[unblock]

29. "Impeachment" is analogous to "indictment"

Clinton was impeached because that's what the House did. The senate voted not to convict, so he wasn't removed.

Nixon was never impeached. The house started the process, but he resigned before they could formally impeach him.

[joshcryer]

30. In any event a guilty verdict from the Senate precludes him ever holding office again.

Ever. Not even as an appointment. Not even if he ran again and won the popular vote. He'd be disqualified.

[unblock]

31. No.

After conviction by the senate, the senate determines the punishment.

They cannot do *more* than remove him from office and bar from future office, but that can do less.

The language in the constitution is unambiguous on this point. The framers could have written "punishment shall consist of" but they didn't.

[joshcryer]

35. Do you think the Senate would do anything less?

You make a good point that it appears that the language gives them the right to do it but not that they must do it or that it is actually a decree. My initial reading thought it meant that was an automatic disqualifer. I'd think if they found him guilty they'd decree he is disqualified thereafter, though.

[unblock]

36. Right. My point is pretty academic. In practice,

If they thought anyone needed to be removed from office, they'd very likely think they shouldn't ever hold any office again.

[joshcryer]

37. Thanks for that clarification though.

I was taking a way stricter reading of it than I should have.

[onenote]

46. They should but they might not.

Alcee Hastings was impeached by the House and convicted by the Senate, but the Senate did not pass a separate motion disqualifying him from subsequently holding office and, indeed, he was subsequently elected to the House of Representatives. In other instances, the Senate has passed a "disqualification" motion following conviction.

There also is an unresolved debate over whether "office of honor, trust or profit under the United States" refers only to appointed positions or whether it includes elected positions. That issue has not to my knowledge ever been definitively resolved.

[NewJeffCT]

13. the wording of the clause

makes it sound like removal from office and being barred from holding any public office is the punishment. Afterwards, they can be indicted and charged with other crimes.

[unblock]

22. "Shall not extend further" is an upper bound on punishment, not a lower bound.

[onenote]

47. Correct.

[PatSeg]

7. Oh for F#*k's sake

The stupidity is painful.

[Scurrilous]

8. Everyone knows a President Pence would nominate Jesus as VP.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

26. And Christ won't say no.

He's mad enough at what they did to christianity.

[Stallion]

9. Opps They'll Need to Change Meme to Add-Amend the United States Constitution First

[Fullduplexxx]

10. Then trump is locked up by the state of new york

[joshcryer]

11. Impeachment means you can never serve any federal office *ever* again.

He would be ineligible for nomination to office much less serve.

The constitution is clear: Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

[VOX]

14. Whatever happened to "law and order" Republicans?

They seem to be enjoying (or are at least attached to) their newfound love for (or blissful blindness to) serious grifting, debting, destruction of democracy, shitting on veterans, spitting foul racist remarks to POC, etc.

If you ever caution your way into the backwaters of the web, the true nutters are absolutely gleeful, talking about how the military should take over the government to protect their Orange God.

[left-of-center2012]

15. That's not how it works

Someone needs to read the Constitution.

[Initech]

16. Wow.... just.... wow.

[Beartracks]

17. Thus demonstrating again why Republicans suck at governing: they...

... don't know how Democracy works.

Frighteningly, they also don't really care.

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[GoCubsGo]

18. Aside from the stupidity outlined in other posts in this thread,

what makes these boobs think that Pence won't be impeached right along with Trump? He's up to his albino eyebrows in the corruption and Russians shit, too.

[tritsofme]

20. Both the House and Senate would have to vote on the new VP.

The bodies having just impeached and removed Trump from office would seem, it is suffice to say, unlikely to immediately restore him...

[erpowers]

23. Worked Well For Nixon

Considering how well that strategy worked for Nixon I can see why Trump would want to take this path.





I realize Nixon was not impeach, but that makes this meme even more stupid. Nixon resigned before he could be impeached and was pardoned by Gerald Ford. However, Ford did not pick Nixon to be his VP and then resign. If Ford did not selected an un-convicted Nixon to be his VP why would Pence pick a convicted Trump to be his VP.

I assume Republicans do not realize that if Trump is impeached by the House of Representatives and the Senate votes to remove him from office he has been convicted of a crime. Second, even if Pence is stupid enough to select Trump to be his VP, do Trump supporters really think Senate Democrats would vote to allow him back in office?

This whole meme shows the stupidity of Trump's base. Not only do they not know the U.S. Constitution, they do not have common sense.

[CanonRay]

24. Yes, revenge on us is what it's all about

My RW cousin admitted as much. He didn't give a shot what Trump did, or how bad it fucked the country as long as liberal heads exploded

[NewJeffCT]

32. I've heard that from some RWers as well.

I posted this earlier today, but I find myself tweeting it out at least once a week now. It really is the mentality

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11058174

[Decoy of Fenris]

40. Yup. I brought this up almost ten years ago.

Saw it coming way back then and Trump is just the fruition of it. The personification of their bitter, "fuck you" attitude, where they don't give a shit if Trump (or any politician, really) were to actively kill their firstborn children; so long as it somehow hurts leftists, that's all that matters. That we hurt.

[albacore]

33. President Pelosi...

Could this happen:

trump AND Pence are impeached by a Dem-controlled House and Senate (after the elections).... the next-in-line is the Speaker. Pelosi.

I don't want to get into some pro/con Pelosi... just raising a question.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

34. 1) Only if impeached simultaneously, 2) Only Jan 3 2019 or after. Have to be seated, not just electd

Welcome to DU, your first post.

Simultaneously means before the Congress has a chance to receive a nomination for VP or approve it.

So one scenario is truly simultaneously.

Another is that tRump is impeached, Pence ascends and while he is nominating a VP and before Congress has approved it, Pence is impeached.

[marble falls]

41. Its not out of the ballpark. We need to win back Congress first. First November.

[NewJeffCT]

42. Even if President Pelosi does not happen

I think Pence would be permanently hobbled as president and likely would not run for re-election in 2020. He'd veto everything the Democrats send up to him - things like a minimum wage increase, pre-existing condition coverage, funding for Planned Parenthood. improving & securing Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. Make him veto things like that which are extremely popular.

[marble falls]

44. The thing to remember is if we don't take back Congress in November who-ever replaces Ryan ...

is President. President Pence is on a mission from G*d. He's got to go and with a Congress Democrats have the White House and maybe the Senate. Its not the longest shot. I'd at least make some sort of side bet on it.

[Agschmid]

49. Highly unlikely

[zeusdogmom]

38. My RW nut job sister-in-law posted this on Facebook

Among other really stupid things. She is a loving, sweet woman in many ways, but has no sense of discernment what so ever when it comes to Trump. I can tell when she is having a bad day by the kinds of stuff she posts. Sometimes it makes me angry, but other times my heart aches because I know she is in a really bad place emotionally and physically. But OMG she does love Trump. And the worse Trump gets, the worse she gets.

[blogslut]

39. They think Pence's loving looks toward Trump are sincere.

How amusing. Bless their black little hearts.

[RhodeIslandOne]

43. Pence prays that Trump is impeached or resigns

He’ll be President and never speak his name again.

[jmowreader]

48. And then we re-impeach the SOB without allowing him to select a new VP

Since there'll be a vacancy in the VP office, the presidential chain of succession will put the Speaker of the House in the White House.

Last I checked, the Democrats intend to re-elevate Nancy Pelosi to Speaker after we take the House back.

Should be entertaining, and with the volume of impeachable offenses Trump commits every week, we're sure to find grounds to run him off a second time without too much trouble.