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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 03:23 PM Aug 2018

Who is the ultraconservative Bishop who is calling on Pope Francis to resign?

He's a Bishop involved in a long campaign against the "gay lobby" in the Church, which he claims is responsible for the pedophilia crisis.

He's also the same rightwing Bishop who blindsided the Pope on his visit to the US, setting him up with a visit with non-Catholic Kim Davis, which she and her homophobic supporters used to promote their anti-gay marriage agenda.

Afterwards, the Pope relieved the Bishop of his US position -- and the Bishop's had it out for him ever since.

This is not to excuse the mistakes the Pope has made in handling the crisis. But those who are attacking him now are just using the crisis for their longstanding goal of replacing him with someone from the far right side of the Church.

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Who is the ultraconservative Bishop who is calling on Pope Francis to resign? (Original Post) pnwmom Aug 2018 OP
Carlo Maria Vigano CurtEastPoint Aug 2018 #1
Lucky Pope got to see Kimmy Davis? Lucky guy. 3Hotdogs Aug 2018 #2
"mistakes"? LMFAO trotsky Aug 2018 #3
His accusations are FALSE, and entirely self-serving. pnwmom Aug 2018 #4
No one knows for certain yet - other than Bergoglio and Vigano, I guess. trotsky Aug 2018 #5
EVERYONE knows. The claim is that McCarrick had been ordered pnwmom Aug 2018 #6
Whatever narrative makes you happy, I guess. n/t trotsky Aug 2018 #7
I prefer non-fake news. McCarrick is a public figure who was based in D.C. pnwmom Aug 2018 #8
Seems simplistic to just label things you don't like as "fake news." trotsky Aug 2018 #10
Not when easily provable facts are involved. n/t pnwmom Aug 2018 #11
Probably another pedophile titaniumsalute Aug 2018 #9

3Hotdogs

(12,393 posts)
2. Lucky Pope got to see Kimmy Davis? Lucky guy.
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 03:36 PM
Aug 2018

Every time I see a photo of Sweet Kimmie, I get steel-blue hard and I can't sit down for a few minutes.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
3. "mistakes"? LMFAO
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 03:55 PM
Aug 2018

If his accusations are true, then Bergoglio protected child rapists. Full stop.

The motivation of the bishop is irrelevant.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
4. His accusations are FALSE, and entirely self-serving.
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 04:09 PM
Aug 2018
https://www.ncronline.org/news/accountability/distinctly-catholic/vigano-letter-exposes-putsch-against-pope-francis

Vigano alleges that Pope Francis lifted sanctions against McCarrick that had been imposed by Pope Benedict. Indeed, the headline on the Edward Pentin story that broke the news of this testimony reads “Ex-nuncio Accuses Pope Francis of Failing to Act on McCarrick’s Abuse.” But, Francis did act. He is the one who removed McCarrick from ministry in June. The central focus of this testimony is the claim that Benedict issued sanctions against McCarrick: “the Cardinal was to leave the seminary where he was living, he was forbidden to celebrate [Mass] in public, to participate in public meetings, to give lectures, to travel, with the obligation of dedicating himself to a life of prayer and penance,” Vigano writes.

During the Benedict papacy, with my own eyes I witnessed McCarrick celebrate Mass in public, participate in meetings, travel, etc. More importantly, so did Pope Benedict! If Benedict imposed these penalties, he certainly did not apply them. He continued to receive McCarrick with the rest of the Papal Foundation, continued to allow him to celebrate Mass publicly at the Vatican, even concelebrating with Benedict at events like consistories. (See photo above taken in 2010.) But, as Vigano tell is, it is all Pope Francis’ fault.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
5. No one knows for certain yet - other than Bergoglio and Vigano, I guess.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:20 AM
Aug 2018

That's why they are investigating.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
6. EVERYONE knows. The claim is that McCarrick had been ordered
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:24 AM
Aug 2018

not to say masses in public, etc., by Pope Benedict.

But McCarrick WAS saying masses and performing all his other functions in public, including WITH Pope Benedict.

So it's obviously a lie. He didn't stand down till Pope Francis fired him in June.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
8. I prefer non-fake news. McCarrick is a public figure who was based in D.C.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:36 PM
Aug 2018

so the claim of Vigano is easily proven false.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
10. Seems simplistic to just label things you don't like as "fake news."
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 02:22 PM
Aug 2018

But whatever floats your boat.

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