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ck4829

(35,077 posts)
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 12:06 PM Aug 2018

Russia doesn't want us divided, because it's just a means not an end

Nor is Putin/GRU/FSB/Fancy Bear the only actor in this tragic comedy.

When you go to work, you may open a couple of doors. Your end goal isn't to open a door, but to go to work. Putin's Russia is dividing us because there is a goal at work here... to turn us into a failed state.

One where we are paranoid of people of different colors and religions.
One where the worst heterosexual is still 'better' than the best GLBTQ person and where the lowest white person is still 'better' than any person of color
One where the present is hated, the past is glorified, and the future could be some simulacrum of this glorified and romanticized past if we work at it... maybe.
One where scientists and educators are distrusted and instead people go to hucksters and charlatans for things they do not know... Alex Jones, Breitbart, Flynn, Shoebat, Trump, etc.
One where compassion, not acting like Patrick Bateman from American Psycho, or not showing a willingness to sacrifice your life for billionaires becomes "class warfare", "socialism", or "liberalism" which you are supposed to hear and reflexively boo and hiss to.

Let's hypothetically exacerbate these conditions... What would happen to our country? I think it would cease to exist in it's current form. Division is just the means, destruction is the end.

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Russia doesn't want us divided, because it's just a means not an end (Original Post) ck4829 Aug 2018 OP
No, he wants us divided and destroyed and weakened and so on. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #1
+1 2naSalit Aug 2018 #2
Putin realized that the success of a democracy depends on its people basically wanting the same unitedwethrive Aug 2018 #3
Putin wants ALL liberal, open, democratic states to fall, not just the U.S. Yavin4 Aug 2018 #4

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
1. No, he wants us divided and destroyed and weakened and so on.
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 12:13 PM
Aug 2018

Making a distinction that he doesnt want us divided sends the WRONG message.

First of all, OF COURSE he does because a divided house will not stand.

When you say Putin and his team are not the only bad actors, are you saying there are others like Jones , breitbart? Sure, they are , but comments that are written the way you wrote that AGAIN

WRONG message

Cigarettes arent the ONLY way to get lung cancer, but we wouldnt talk about them as if they are just one of many problems, would we?

I am VERY sensitive about how we frame things these days.

unitedwethrive

(1,997 posts)
3. Putin realized that the success of a democracy depends on its people basically wanting the same
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 12:25 PM
Aug 2018

things from their government. The more he makes us oppose each other, the less likely it will ever agree on common leaders or policies.

Yavin4

(35,442 posts)
4. Putin wants ALL liberal, open, democratic states to fall, not just the U.S.
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 12:31 PM
Aug 2018

He wants the UK, France, Germany, etc. to also fail. Why? He wants to control the former Soviet satellite nations like Ukraine, Georgia, Crimea, etc. He doesn't want them making alliances with prosperous, strong democratic states like the EU and the US.

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