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If we win back the House, then the presidency... (Original Post) zanana1 Aug 2018 OP
Decades, because of the Trump Supreme Court and all the Trump judges dalton99a Aug 2018 #1
absolutely AlexSFCA Aug 2018 #3
A Trump Supreme Court is how the right wing plans to rule America if they're defeated at the polls dalton99a Aug 2018 #4
We will never reverse the damage marylandblue Aug 2018 #2
We still haven't repaired all the damage GW did world wide wally Aug 2018 #5
+1. Just look at the fiscal damage alone dalton99a Aug 2018 #6
not to mention NewJeffCT Aug 2018 #10
I don't think the damage can be reversed unless the Democrats that are elected in 2018 in2herbs Aug 2018 #7
I'm in the never category. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2018 #8
Unless they take back 2/3 of the senate so they can impeach Trump's dreadful judges Johonny Aug 2018 #9
The next time Democrats win the power thucythucy Aug 2018 #11
Some things cannot be fixed pecosbob Aug 2018 #12

dalton99a

(81,526 posts)
1. Decades, because of the Trump Supreme Court and all the Trump judges
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 09:20 AM
Aug 2018

The Supreme Court must be expanded to counteract and reverse the damage

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
2. We will never reverse the damage
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 09:27 AM
Aug 2018

He has created a new generation RWNJS who will are disorganized now, but will eventually colaesce around new leaders. We will need to work on preventing them from gaining power again, but we will never be rid of them.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
10. not to mention
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 10:58 AM
Aug 2018

Reagan - he's the one that turned our country from a net creditor to a net debtor, and normalized working with hostile foreign powers (Iran)

in2herbs

(2,945 posts)
7. I don't think the damage can be reversed unless the Democrats that are elected in 2018
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 10:32 AM
Aug 2018

and 2020 put special emphasis on expanding the number of judges on the USSC to overcome the USSC and federal judges appointed by Trump and the Electoral College provision is removed from the Constitution. I'd like to see a retroactive provision that at least limits federal judgeships to 18 years.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)
8. I'm in the never category.
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 10:39 AM
Aug 2018

What has already been said, coupled with the fact that starting with Reagan, a war upon decency and the value of the commons has been waged, quite successfully. Reagan started it all with his Welfare Queen nonsense. Bill Clinton ended "Welfare as we know it" throwing millions of people, mostly children, into dire poverty. Military expenses have steadily spiraled upward, while spending on public education continually goes down. Worse yet, on the education front, far too many students are bamboozled into borrowing huge sums of money for college degrees that will never lead to decent jobs, locking them in a prison of student debt for much, if not all of their lives.

Think about Japan and Germany and what WWII wrought upon each. The only reason they recovered and became prosperous was that each country had its wartime leadership replaced, and they got to start from scratch for everything, especially including their industrial infrastructure, which was destroyed in the war. I'm not a sufficient student of either country's history to offer a date by which either one could be considered to have fully recovered. But I remember clearly that into the 1970's "Made in Japan" was shorthand for cheap and shoddy.

Here's another example I like to offer: In the 16th century Spain was a world power. It had lots of colonies around the world and was quite rich. Around the time of the Armada in 1588, its failed attempt to invade England, it made two crucial decisions: not to tax the rich, only the poor, and to keep its military spending at a high level. Thus started its decline from the world stage, and even almost 450 years on, it's still a backwater. Now, I'm sure these days Spain is a lovely country to visit or live in, but it stopped being a world power a very long time ago.

So with this country. The decision to cut the taxes of the rich and maintain increased military spending, those two things alone guarantee that this country will fade from the world scene. I've been aware of this for a couple of decades by now. It's just that our decline hasn't been obvious until quite recently.

Donald Trump is accelerating our decline, but he's not the only cause. What he is pretty much the only cause of is our becoming a laughing-stock on the world stage.

If we are extremely lucky, we'll take back the House and maybe the Senate this November. No doubt Kavanaugh will have been confirmed to the Supreme Court by then. Which means for the next 30 years there will be dreadful Supreme Court decisions which will continue to cut away much of what is decent and good. But then, if we're incredibly lucky, some amazing Democrat will rise in the next year or so and win the Presidency in 2020, along with an even larger number of Democrats in the House and Senate. Taxes will be reimposed on the rich. The safety net will be increased, along with Medicare for all or something similar. The infrastructure will start being repaired and strengthened. Military spending will start decreasing. And so on. But I have zero confidence that it will happen this way. Instead, even if we do well this fall, even if a Democrat becomes President in 2020, we'll simply muddle along, falling deeper and deeper into debt, both personally and governmentally. Even if we continue to be invited to the various summits, we'll be ignored, even if future Presidents aren't insulting other world leaders and their countries. In short, the damage has been done and it's essentially irreparable.

Johonny

(20,854 posts)
9. Unless they take back 2/3 of the senate so they can impeach Trump's dreadful judges
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 10:44 AM
Aug 2018

then a long long time.

thucythucy

(8,074 posts)
11. The next time Democrats win the power
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 11:39 AM
Aug 2018

(assuming there IS a next time) we need to think strategically to cement into place reforms that make it impossible (or at least far less likely) that a cabal of billionaires in collusion with a foreign power and with the backing of a minority of voters can ever seize the government again. These steps would be in addition to trying to undo all the damage being done right now.

A few suggested steps:

1. As per above, expand the Supreme Court so that the majority of justices reflect majority opinion on issues such as campaign finance reform, reproductive rights, gun control, etc.

2. flush out as many RWNJ federal judges as possible (also per the above)

3. Undo all Trump executive orders

4. dismiss all Trump appointees to all federal posts.

But also:

4. work to abolish the Electoral College

5. grant statehood to Puerto Rico and the District of Columbia

6. pass anti-gerrymandering legislation with teeth (this would have to be done state by state)

7. amend the Voting Rights Act to undo the damage done by the USSC

8. grant pardons to ALL federal prisoners incarcerated because of non-violent drug offenses, and restore their voting rights

9. work outside the government to establish and fund a left wing alternative to Fox News and right wing radio, as well as breaking corporate media monopolies and oligarchies (that is to say, strengthen and enforce the anti-trust laws relating to corporate control of media)

10. bring back civics to public schools...

There's more, but this would IMHO be an agenda with long lasting advantages. NONE of this is anti-democratic with a small d, that is to say, none of this violates what should be the spirit of a genuine democracy--unlike Republican moves which are entirely motivated by the urge to limit access to power by the majority of American citizens.

Oh, and to be sure, prosecute to the fullest extent of the law each and every illegal action undertaken by the current regime.

pecosbob

(7,541 posts)
12. Some things cannot be fixed
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 11:43 AM
Aug 2018

All the lost market share, for example, lost due to the trade wars will never be regained...replaced perhaps, but that's all water under the bridge now. The trust of our European allies will never be the same.

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