Trump, Jr. to be indicted this week?

[triron]

Link to tweet

[BigmanPigman]

1. Is it Christmas already?

[oberliner]

3. More like the Fitzmas that never was

[emulatorloo]

8. Muller has multiple indictments, multiple guilty pleas and and Manafort just got convicted.

This is nothing like “Fitzmas,” so let’s please put that false equivalency to bed.

[oberliner]

9. Not of anyone whose last name is Trump

That's the "Fitzmas" analogy.

[emulatorloo]

11. Sorry, you believed Bush was going to be indicted by Fitgerald?

The Fitzmas “rumors” were Rove. End of story.

That being said I don’t think it is Don Jr’s time yet.

[oberliner]

12. Fitzmas: "Thinking something will happen based on dubious sources because you really want it to"

[emulatorloo]

13. False equivalency and revisionist history.

Have a great night.

[oberliner]

15. It's not equivalent - I was just drawing a comparison

Not a perfect analogy, certainly.

It just seemed during the Fitzmas episode, that folks so badly wanted it to be true that some dubious sources were taken perhaps more seriously than they ought to have been.

Do you not think that is fair?

[demsocialist]

33. Like Josh Marshall telling us....

how did he encapsulate it?? Something about tectonic plates moving? Oh, I remember.

https://archives.cjr.org/blog_report/fitzmas_frenzy.php

Andrew Sullivan tries to connect the dots that lead to Cheney, and concludes that if “the prosecutor asks to interview Cheney again in the next few days, we’re into earthquake territory.” He points to a memo with information about Plame that was supposedly left in the front of Air Force One during a trip Bush took to Africa in July 2003. Sullivan asks: “Who has access to the front of Air Force One?” (Umm — the pilots?) “Here’s a plausible scenario. Very few people saw the memo. Cheney was one of them. Did Libby inform Miller and Cooper on his own initiative? Or was he part of a coordinated effort?”

After an AP report yesterday that had Rove fingering Libby as the source of his information on Plame, the frenzy accelerated. Joshua at The Water Glass quoted the article, writing the “plot thickens”: “Previously, ‘Rove testified that his discussions with Libby before Plame’s CIA cover was blown were limited to information reporters had passed to them.’ Now, it is reported that ‘Rove testified that it was possible he first heard in the White House that Valerie Plame … worked for the CIA from Libby’s recounting of a conversation with a journalist …’”

[Kingofalldems]

35. Wow, overtime?

[oberliner]

40. Maybe at the last moment?

It would be amazing if it did come through.

[LanternWaste]

44. The numerous indictments and guilty pleas seem much less dubious than you imply.

Your comparison (not an analogy... two separate meanings) is predicated on a faulty premise.

[oberliner]

45. You are right

My comparison was dubious - and my calling it an analogy was just wrong/sloppy.

I've tried to clarify what I was trying to get across in other responses here. Basically: Dworkin is not a reliable source. I should have just left it at that.

I appreciate your calling me out when my posts are shaky (to say the least).

[Bernardo de La Paz]

18. Now you contradict your own post 9. :eyes: . . . nt

[oberliner]

42. You're right

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I'm all over the map on this - forget I brought "Fitzmas" up. I just wanted to make the point that dubious sources + something we want to see happen does not equal something likely to happen. Especially advising DUers to be wary of folks like Dworkin.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

50. I join you in being skeptical about sources. Dworkin is a self-promoter first. . . . nt

[Bernardo de La Paz]

17. That's not a Fitzmas analogy. . . . nt

[oberliner]

43. Agreed - bad job on my part

Better analogy: Louise Mensch?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

16. Not analogous. . . nt

[oberliner]

19. Dubious sources, something we all hope will happen...

Somewhat analogous.

[Squinch]

32. Lol!

[oberliner]

46. Glad you get a laugh out of it at least!

Got taken to task for the invocation of Fitzmas here - and rightly so.

Thanks for not piling on!

[oberliner]

2. Scott Dworkin?

Come on now.

[manor321]

6. I know. It's ridiculous people repeatedly post this crap.

[oberliner]

10. I know we want the Nigerian Prince to send us a million dollars

But that doesn't mean he is going to.

[grantcart]

21. Its embarassing.

[oberliner]

23. A "Resistance" grifter and con artist

Back on June 2 of last year, I wrote a diary calling out a fraud and a con artist named Scott Dworkin who had been posting bullshit tales of “active resistance” at Daily Kos (making the Rec list over and over) while seeking to raise money for his organization, Democratic Coalition Against Trump:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/7/1739482/-Yep-Scott-Dworkin-is-just-what-I-said-he-was-back-in-June-a-grifter-and-self-promoting-con-artist

Note: This is not my original work - citing the Daily Kos writer.

[RockRaven]

4. The only think holding me back from believing it is that Roger Stone said the same thing.

And he lies as much as The Dotard.

But there is a way to thread the needle. Stone said Mueller would indict Junior for lying to the FBI. If Junior gets indicted for something else, or by SDNY, then Stone is still a liar.

[Takket]

5. i don't think there is a chance of mueller going after the royal family

until the pardon power to save them has been removed.

would be a waste of time.

drumpf won't pardon people like manafort and cohen because he doesn't want them to freely testify, and also he doesn't give a fuck about them, but he will move to protect his kids.

get drumpf out of office, then you can take the kids down with ease. they aren't going anywhere.

[pnwmom]

25. Jr could be indicted by the state of NY and there isn't anything DT could do about it.

But I doubt it will happen as soon as this week.

[FBaggins]

53. Not unless they change state law

NY currently has a double jeopardy law that keeps them from prosecuting at the state level a crime that was already handled at the federal level.

[pnwmom]

55. What has Jr been prosecuted for Federally? Nothing. But it's pretty likely he will be charged

with a state crime related to the Trump Foundation. Eric and Ivanka are also at risk, and the basis has already been laid out with the civil trial.

[MGKrebs]

38. I would think it depends on what wrongdoing he finds.

If it's just lying on a form or 'inaccurate' testimony, then I would say it just becomes part of his final report. But if he finds something serious, like conspiracy with the Russians, or money laundering, I think he would indict and let the chips fall where they may.

He likely wouldn't indict without (what he feels like is) strong evidence, and I think he would feel compelled to either prosecute or refer serious crimes. In other words, I don't think he would fail to pursue serious crimes because of potential political ramifications. The justice system still has to do it's job even if the political system screws it up later.

[NightWatcher]

7. Keep repeating it. Odds are one day it will be true.

Things are moving fast and people are guessing.

[bearsfootball516]

14. It may happen, but Dworkin is far from a reliable source.

[ProudLib72]

20. I'm hearing from lots of people this evening

that Space Force is coming to take Rump back to his home planet of Assholia.

[grantcart]

22. My cat told ke the same thing yesterday

[ProudLib72]

24. My dog was the one who told me!

This is getting to be like Son of Sam!

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

28. They say it's at it's closest point to Earth this year

maybe now we can get a short/inexpensive flight for him.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

26. Unfounded rumors.

Why post them here?

[octoberlib]

36. I don't trust anything Dworkin says. Didn't

he get busted misusing donations he’d collected for the Resistance on his personal business?

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

47. It's not even that Dworkin is saying this, whoever he is.

(I don't do Twitter so there's a lot I don't know)

It's "I"m hearing from lots of people" that's bullshit.

Frequently in the political world I'm reminded of the rumor mill of the moms at the schools my kids attended. I learned very quickly who actually had a small bit of inside knowledge (no one ever had very much) and who seemed to make stuff up off the top of their heads.

Here, almost every week, there's great anticipation of Mueller or Sessions being fired on Friday. This has been going on nearly since each man took his job. Oh, and John Kelly, the WH chief of staff. He's supposed to be leaving pretty much on a weekly basis. Those notions are essentially conspiracy theory, since they have zero foundation in fact, but are the product of either wishful or pessimistic thinking.

[bearsfootball516]

49. People here tend to be astounded at how easily right wing voters fall for fake news, but...

Look at some of the replies in this thread. Dworkin is basically peddling fake news.

You could post an article from freaking Palmer Report with a headline that says "Kushner, Sarah Sanders to be arrested Friday for treason" and the first 10 replies would be stuff like "Oh yeah, bring it on, finally!!"

[demmiblue]

56. Ain't that the truth?!

20 recs, FFS.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

27. Roger Stone and Don Jr.

That's my best guess....just as a regular joe.

[Hoyt]

29. Will wait till it happens. If it does, I'll do a little dance.

[zanana1]

41. I wear leg braces.

Even I will do a little dance!

[Hoyt]

48. I bet the earth will shake, with all the little dances going on.

[SteveMO]

30. Dworkin thought Jared would be indicted 8 months ago

Link to tweet

?s=21

[demmiblue]

34. Oy!

[Hav]

31. Before opening the link,

I thought that surely this would be Dworkin again. Was surprised to see it's Grayson (with a more believable opinion) only to realize that Dworkin is indeed quoted.
Well, we have till Friday to see whether Dworkin is the usual joke and con that people keep falling for despite getting fed bs again and again by him.

[malaise]

37. Oh Yes!

That would be perfect

[NCTraveler]

39. Dworkin and a Pharmaceuticals lobbyist. Solid. nt

[NewJeffCT]

51. Scott Dworkin, Dena Grayson and Jon Cooper

are not exactly the best of sources. I'd love for Stone and Don Jr to get indicted, but I'm not holding my breath.

[demmiblue]

57. Indeed!

[Shrike47]

52. Sorry, out until after McCain's buried. Mueller knows his timing.

[Recursion]

54. Watch them clarify, "We mean this *business* week"

Sufficient unto the day is the dumpster fire therein.

[D_Master81]

58. Maybe

people have speculated for awhile this would happen and Trump was tweeting like a maniac yesterday about the Steele dossier to the point i said something has to be coming.