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Jennifer Bendery @jbendery 2h2 hours agoSen. Schumer will offer a resolution to rename the Senate's Russell Building after McCain.
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...Russell was a big anti-civil rights segregationist, so, yeah.
Rhiannon12866
(206,012 posts)edhopper
(33,615 posts)Russell was a racist cracker.
KWR65
(1,098 posts)Since McCain was a Navy pilot they should try a Navy base or Ship. JMTCW.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)And Russell was a segregationist. The building needs a new name
KWR65
(1,098 posts)Maybe some Federal Building in Arizona?
Sneederbunk
(14,300 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)But Schumer is trolling Trump while making a legitimate proposal. A nice play.
People like McCain are no longer welcomed in the Republican Party. It seems fitting to name the building after one of the last republican Senators who understood that the congress is an equal branch of government.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)They had time to think this one through.
Check and mate to Trump.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...Russell also being a segregationist-era Democrat.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)When his statue in the Rotunda was unveiled.
Closing with: "Today and forever, this leader, this patriot, this legend, remains where he belongsin the Senate standing tall."
mopinko
(70,215 posts)just ask the guys that are trying to rename something after st ronnie in every town in america.
Uncle Joe
(58,417 posts)Thanks for the thread bigtree.
highplainsdem
(49,034 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)took them way too long to scrub his name off that building.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Authored the School Lunch Act which provided free school lunches to students who could not afford to buy lunch.
JHan
(10,173 posts)who filibustered the Civil Rights Act and co-wrote the Southern Manifesto with Strom Thurmond.
And I'm not the first person to suggest renaming the building was long overdue.
And yeah, Racists sometimes feed people.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)To dismiss Richard Russell's National School Lunch Act as "racists sometimes feed people" diminishes the significance of that legislation. It was literally transformative for low-income families, and specifically children, and it's impact is still felt today.
Maybe we can name the building after another Democrat (Russell was a lifelong Democrat) who was committed to legislation like the school lunch program, rather than a lifelong Republican.
JHan
(10,173 posts)The National School Lunch Acts was inevitable, providing School Lunches gave Farmers and Laborers work while seeing to the nutritional needs of children. School Lunches are also a worldwide phenomenon. It's not a concept unique to Russell at all.
Willfully and unapologetically standing in the way of Civil Rights will get you special mention and it has tarnished Russell's legacy, deservedly so.
I'm also bemused by your position here, I already said McCain would be an upgrade because Russell was that problematic.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Had Russell not championed the program as aggressively as he did, it could have easily been stymied. The bill languished in Congress and opposition to the federal funding was fierce. Russell consistently advocated for increased monies for the program while others in Congress tried to slash those numbers. He gave impassioned speeches expressing frustration with Congress approving billions in funding for reconstruction of Europe after WWII but would not appropriate a tiny fraction of that amount to helping provide lunches to low income children in the United States.
There were famous showdowns between Russell (who was a Democrat) and Taft (who was a Republican) on the floor of the Senate over the importance of this program, with Russell and his Democratic colleagues finally prevailing in getting the school lunch legislation passed and signed into law.
When the Republicans took control of Congress after the 1946 elections, they proceeded to reduce drastically the amount of funding for the school lunch program and, once again, Russell fought tooth and nail against these reductions and continued to do so into the early 1950s as Republicans repeatedly tried to cut funds for the program.
The Republican Eisenhower administration also wanted to see the school lunch program drastically reduced, but Russell continued to stand up for the program and bring attention to the critical importance of maintaining it.
Since his death, the school lunch program has grown and expanded dramatically and now it is taken for granted.
Edit to add: I'd also encourage you read Al Gore's tribute to Russell from 1996 if you'd like get a sense of what Gore believed his legacy was.
JHan
(10,173 posts)What is your beef here?
- That the building is being renamed ?
- That the food lunch program crosses out Russell's racism or maybe you think it does cross out his racism?
- That I dare to mention his position on Civil Rights since it's a part of his own legacy?
what is your point?
What is your issue with pointing out the flaws of Russell and that changing the name of the building is due to sober consideration and long overdue?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)1. My beef is with the complete dismissal of the good works of this Democratic senator who had been consistently lauded by Democrats over the decades since his passing (including Al Gore speaking glowingly at the unveiling of Russell's statue at the Rotunda).
2. I don't really care that much about the building being renamed (though I'm not a huge fan of McCain, generally speaking)
3. I'm not saying the food lunch program should "cross out" racism - I'm saying that the food lunch program was a significant achievement and that racism, sadly, was the norm among whites in the south (Democrats and Republicans alike) at the time - and should not "cross out" the importance of that legislative achievement.
3. Mentioning his position on Civil Rights is understandable - but I think it is equally understandable that a Democrat would want to highlight his position on other important issues, such as providing funding for the school lunch program. (Much like Democrats who speak positively of some of the important achievements of FDR in spite of the Japanese internment camps).
4. My point is that there was a reason why Democrats honored Russell with the naming of this building and the unveiling of a statue of him in the Rotunda - and there should at least be a pause to recognize what those reasons were.
5. I have no issue with you pointing out his flaws but I also feel it is important to point out his accomplishments as well. Pretty much every Democrat who held office prior to 1970 held some extremely unenlightened views on critical issues (race, gender, sexual orientation), while also doing great work on other critical issues.
6. Sober consideration of changing the name of the building would involve highlighting both the reasons why this person ought to no longer have a building named for him as well as the reasons why he earned that honor in the first place.
JHan
(10,173 posts)For example, telling me what Al Gore said about him isn't going to change my view of the man. And I respect Al Gore too, I just don't fancy appeal to authority arguments. I don't have to agree with everything a politician says to have respect for them, as long as I can back up my critiques of them with solid reasoning.
Neither am I one to ignore the follies of Presentism. Looking back, Abraham Lincoln had problematic views for much of his life, he didn't believe black and white could co-exist in peace, he didn't believe black people should serve on juries neither did he believe they should be part of the American project but towards the end of his life he suggested suffrage for black veterans and his exchanges with Frederick Douglass are most enlightening, suggesting a change in views he held all his life. In the context of Lincoln, Presentism is dangerous. And even though hindsight can be a gift and we shouldn't ignore the flaws, the framework of rights in the 19th century was also different.
However the idea of human rights, both universal and intrinsic, really came into vogue post WW2. Russell positioned himself against progress on this fundamental front which goes to the heart of human rights. It's not really a case of presentism when culturally the country and his party was moving in a different direction.
Of course, Politicians are often a mixed bag, good with the bad is a human reality - and since you don't have a problem with renaming the building and just want to point out that hey Russell wasn't always bad, even though he was an avowed white supremacist, I suppose that's your right.
I do appreciate your perspective and insights - lots to reflect on. Thank you.
George II
(67,782 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Read his remarks paying tribute Senator Russell from 1996 when his statue was unveiled.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Now you're arguing that hard-core southern Democrat segregationists, the very same type who finally flooded into the Republican Party, purged their caucuses of moderate and progressive conservatives, and committed the party to hard-core white supremacy, were really what Democrats were? And equating Al Gore with him in the process?
Sean Hannity couldn't beat that for a false equivalency smear on Democrats.
These people were a distinct hard-right, rabidly racist wing within the liberal Democratic Party and usually, of course, very strongly opposed to the majority factions. Most left after the largest and latest in a string of big civil rights and progressive losses to mainstream Democrats, and good riddance.
Yes, his role in the school lunch program was admirable. I often think of that simple progressivism when considering the great good we've done our nation. A nation of healthy young bodies running around the school yards in neighborhoods of all economic levels.
But how about we put up a nice plaque for Russell somewhere, instead of a giant monument to a segregationist whose strongest beliefs never did represent the values of the majority of Democrats his racist faction despised then and still do?
bigtree
(86,005 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)bigtree
(86,005 posts)...are you really that uninformed as to represent Russell as anything other than the leader of the anti-civil rights faction at the time.
Google, Dixiecrats.
Ffs.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I do understand that more than one-hundred members of the Russell family are here this afternoon, and we all thank you for sharing your outstanding brother, uncle, cousin with the United States of America. I guess we all should have expected, however, that even at the dedication of his statue, Senator Russell would make certain he had the votes to come out on top in case any question was put.
Theres no need to worry about that this afternoon. Today and forever, this leader, this patriot, this legend, remains where he belongsin the Senate standing tall.
That is Al Gore speaking about Russell in 1996.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)Senators Strom Thumond of South Carolina and Richard Russell of Georgia opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. credit: U.S. Senate Historical Office
It's worse than this photo suggests. Russell supported racial segregation and co-authored the Southern Manifesto with Strom Thurmond, vigorously opposing Brown vs. Board of Education, and advocating actively resisting the new law integrating schools.
You need to seriously check this lauding of Russell. I don't think it has any place on this Democratic board, but it wouldn't be the first abomination against my race that's been allowed to stand and endure here.
You are clearly representing in your posts that you think school lunches are more important than my civil rights.
And you can stop throwing Al Gore in my face. He's not on DU. The issue right now is your own promotion of the man here.
My father, Director of Civil Rights at the Equal Employment Opportunity agency in the 80's, was fighting on the diametrically opposite side of these two men at the time of this photo.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Point is, I'm fine renaming Russell building, or anything named after those guys.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)attempt to name anything bigly important after Trump.