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MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 04:04 PM Aug 2018

Dan Rather: When we look back in disgust at those who've undermined the fabric of our democracy

When we look back in disgust at those who've undermined the fabric of our democracy and common humanity, we don't only reserve harsh judgement for those at the top. There is plenty of rightful derision for all who condoned, collaborated, conspired, or even just remained silent.




You listening, Republicans?
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Dan Rather: When we look back in disgust at those who've undermined the fabric of our democracy (Original Post) MelissaB Aug 2018 OP
"rightful derision for all who condoned, collaborated, conspired, or even just remained silent." Va Lefty Aug 2018 #1
Describes almost everyone I know and almost everyone I'm related to FiveGoodMen Aug 2018 #3
Wouldn't you love to see billboard of that plastered across the country? hlthe2b Aug 2018 #5
Stood, jumped, kicked, and screamed in his defense. sandensea Aug 2018 #21
NEVER FORGET. Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #34
k&R BlueJac Aug 2018 #2
Every REPUBLICON!!!!!! bluestarone Aug 2018 #4
I occasionally tell a Trumper that. Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #6
Yes. The Devil's minions are just as infamous LakeArenal Aug 2018 #7
I have been calling my representatives n congress at least once a week for the last year and a half mjvpi Aug 2018 #8
Problem is, I was expecting that kind of awakening and judgement regarding Bush's supporters. 3Hotdogs Aug 2018 #9
I remember the elected Dems who Duppers Aug 2018 #16
I would give my organs to Pres Obama Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #32
That is THEE, G-O-Pee. calimary Aug 2018 #10
Oh, and let us not limit the undermining to the Trump administration gratuitous Aug 2018 #11
+100000 Duppers Aug 2018 #17
I wonder who is going to be left to look back elmac Aug 2018 #12
People likely said the same things during the red scare of the fifties. Blue_true Aug 2018 #20
That's a sad fact too isnt it? Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #28
Say It Dan! colsohlibgal Aug 2018 #13
Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, and Fox News Botany Aug 2018 #14
LOCK THEM UP! Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #27
Ryan knew Botany Aug 2018 #29
Been saying that for months here. Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #30
And Manafort picked Pence to be V.P. too Botany Aug 2018 #31
All of it's so vile. Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #33
Conseяvatives enabled this. ffr Aug 2018 #15
Yes the did. Trump is the result of a decades long assault on our democracy by repughs. nt Blue_true Aug 2018 #19
That is 63 million Americans, one dumbass combover, and a bevy of Russians. Blue_true Aug 2018 #18
And the media that gave the fucking clown 24/7 coverage and a giant megaphone to build up his cult. dalton99a Aug 2018 #22
I agree. Seems those same folks have some explaining to do, AND some Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #26
K&R Scurrilous Aug 2018 #23
at the top is limbo, but he basically gets ignored certainot Aug 2018 #24
Trust and believe we ALL feel that way on this side. Imagine the Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #25
All those "Good Republicans" will be remembered bigbrother05 Aug 2018 #35
Forward this to your Republican rep. mgardener Aug 2018 #36

sandensea

(21,635 posts)
21. Stood, jumped, kicked, and screamed in his defense.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 06:16 PM
Aug 2018

Not to mention going on the offense every chance they get.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
34. NEVER FORGET.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 07:53 PM
Aug 2018

And somehow, we have to start forgiving each other and refuse to be ugly for uglys sake to fellow Americans in the future.
The big dogs however, need to pay for the division they've sown in this great country. And it needs to HURT them. Anytime i ever heard a repub change his stance, it was bc something effected them. They need to be punished for whats happened, but the guys next store, at our dinner tables, at work, need to be forgiven, and that needs to go both ways. (and be sincere.)
Being an educated, kind, free-thinking Liberal human being isn't a crime. We tried it their way (albeit by hook or by CROOK), and their way way got us here...to the edge of oblivion. Let forgiveness of others CONTROL of us, BE our global religion.
The Peoples Religion, that stepped in when the gods were found to be figments of our fear and imagination. A common thread we can hang our hats on. Saving ourselves by saving each other.
Just like Richard Russell...the pilot. Had the Tower said to him on a secure channel that he could bring the plane home and that he wouldn't go to jail, i believe he wouldv'e landed that plane and gone to sleep in a bed that night. Maybe some treatment on probation. I dunno. We need to be the Tower Controlller and send the message that true repentance for what has happened will be met w forgiveness. We will trust but verify that they've given up their rhetorical arms. Just like the civil war south. The North/Democrat/BLUE will rise again to save us all from a mis-guided bunch. We have to, bc to not see some answer that way means another day like today, or yesterday, or the day before that. I for one have had enough. Pretty sure most of America has as well.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
6. I occasionally tell a Trumper that.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 04:37 PM
Aug 2018

That when all this is over - and it will be - and the historians weigh in, documentaries and movies are made, and those who were involved in trying to overthrow our democracy are identified and feet held to fire....there will have been two sides, just like in Germany. There were the Nazis and those who supported them, and there were the others. You've now identified clearly which side you're on. It will be a mark of shame for the rest of your life, though you'll probably lie about.

You'll probably say you were against throwing innocent children in cages with concrete floors & no beds, hundreds of miles away from their parents, when in fact you supported it because your leader said it was good. Your name is out there, though. Your identity is known. It is known which side you were on.

LakeArenal

(28,817 posts)
7. Yes. The Devil's minions are just as infamous
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 04:54 PM
Aug 2018

Maybe worse, as in their hearts they know and still work to spread the rot.

mjvpi

(1,388 posts)
8. I have been calling my representatives n congress at least once a week for the last year and a half
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 05:03 PM
Aug 2018

And telling them exactly that. Write to your local newspaper. This can’t be repeated enough.

3Hotdogs

(12,382 posts)
9. Problem is, I was expecting that kind of awakening and judgement regarding Bush's supporters.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 05:04 PM
Aug 2018

It ain't happened and I doubt it will happen with the Orange Shit-stain, either. (Credit to Ferret)

Bush started a war based on bullshit. So he gets to sit home and paint pictures. There was no impeachment. Not even hearings. Yes, impeachment would have failed but the process might have shone light on the process by which the lies "The mushroom gun and the smoking cloud" were designed and disseminated.

We might have found the reasons behind the war in the first place.

Instead, we got, "Impeachment is off the table."

Meanwhile, many of Bush's legislative supporters are still in office.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
16. I remember the elected Dems who
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 05:56 PM
Aug 2018

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voiced the let's "move-on" attitude, leaving justice lying in the dirt.

This country needs rise up to rid the nation of the corruption and despotism embodied by all facets of the GOP. They are destroying the fabric of our democracy, cut by cut. They are traitors. We need them named and prosecuted.



Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
32. I would give my organs to Pres Obama
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 07:29 PM
Aug 2018

but I died a little inside when he wouldn't prosecute the war criminals, and doubled down and kept us in Iraq and Afghanistan. If I (ME...the Crutch) could have been crestfallen in the greatest president I'd ever known, I firmly believe those on the right can take a 1-2 punch in the gut on their guy as well. For the country we all wake up to everyday. I was SO disappointed Pres O didn't set the example w war mongers. Cheney/Rumsfeld especially... Don ivan isn' taking them with him to whatever shangrila(sp) don thinks he's headed for.
In the end, we all have to eat crow and take hits to what we want in life and desire, juxtaposed over what reality really is. I understood Pres O had his reasons and a legacy to leave behind, but, it sure was hard to accept. The gop needs to have a come to their jesus moment soon. Today would be easily a year too late for that. They've been living on borrowed time, OURS.
We have to love each other more than we hate the political labels. AM radio needs to be shut down in toto. It's nothing but farm reports and hate programs, and farmers can get their reports in their combines and satellite connections at this date and time. We need a 911 level moment of social recognition for the guy next door, and the family members we've actually written off, and actually despise for laughingly allowing this to happen bc.."We put up w Obama for 8 years". CLEARLY, we need a national palate cleanser, and a fresh start before this big blue marble looks like Mars.. I hate those trumpers, but, should they have a reckoning, and beg forgiveness, and we agree to pull on the same rope for the next 25 years or so, until we get this muther back in shape, I could forgive and forget.
What choice do we really have?

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
11. Oh, and let us not limit the undermining to the Trump administration
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 05:12 PM
Aug 2018

We need to include administrations that traded arms for hostages and used the proceeds to fund terrorists. We need to be sure that the President who pardoned those criminals is included. We also shouldn't forget those who launched the longest wars in our nation's history under false pretenses, and squandered billions, if not trillions, of dollars on these invasions and occupations.

Once we've run those criminals down, let us vow not to overlook such war crimes and crimes against humanity ever again, and particularly not in the name of looking forward to the future or criminalizing political differences. It's not a political difference when one side is violating or subverting the Constitution; it's a crime against the nation.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
12. I wonder who is going to be left to look back
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 05:30 PM
Aug 2018

I'm thinking a generation that never knew what a true Democracy was, who doesn't question corporate rule, or living from paycheck to paycheck, or dying in the streets because they are too old or sick to work.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
20. People likely said the same things during the red scare of the fifties.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 06:08 PM
Aug 2018

The red scare was about fighting communism on the surface, when in fact, it was violent reaction against social progress.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
28. That's a sad fact too isnt it?
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 07:02 PM
Aug 2018

We may have lived the true golden years of this the finest country in the known universe. I have to say, computers have made it all very easy for us to disengage from life around us. All in the name of supposed, better ways. Before I die, I'm going back to my landline, and a library size stack of books around me. I'd read them by candlelight if it would give the coming generations what we had.
You don't know what you've got, til it's gone. Sad fact is it was taken by folks who had so much already. And were greedy, and wanted it all. Only one person, by definition, can have it all. And the idea that don ivan thought that was his role...is sick making.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
13. Say It Dan!
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 05:34 PM
Aug 2018

If Uncle Walter (Cronkite) was still around I can imagine that he may have come at Orange Creep even harder.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
30. Been saying that for months here.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 07:08 PM
Aug 2018

He absolutely did know, and encouraged others to go along w the program.

Botany

(70,506 posts)
31. And Manafort picked Pence to be V.P. too
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 07:09 PM
Aug 2018
https://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-was-handpicked-paul-manafort-696412

And don't forget that McConnell blocked the release of the Trump/Russia connections
prior to the 2016 election. How did Mitch know that by blocking Garland he would
have another choice after the 2016 elections?



Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
33. All of it's so vile.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 07:31 PM
Aug 2018

Greedy bastards who's lives were already blessed in the biggest fashion. They don't know what poor feels like. What true enduring sadness does to somebody. They assume others will always fix their messes. Hopefully, we can, and for the LAST time.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
15. Conseяvatives enabled this.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 05:52 PM
Aug 2018

Remember to slap that in the face of any smug conseяvative яepublican the next time they go off.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
18. That is 63 million Americans, one dumbass combover, and a bevy of Russians.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 06:03 PM
Aug 2018

I am more concerned about the 63 million Americans, we are stuck with them, I wish we could get rid of them. What does a bonus to move to Russia for the 63 million sound? We can raise enough money to throw in their very own dacha. We will keep Trump and Pence, in prison.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
26. I agree. Seems those same folks have some explaining to do, AND some
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 06:57 PM
Aug 2018

work to put things back in place. It was all fun and games when they were cashing the payroll checks.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
25. Trust and believe we ALL feel that way on this side. Imagine the
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 06:56 PM
Aug 2018

types of punishments they'd concoct for us on the Left had we subverted our blessed country? We'd be in gulags...NO JOKE...I say that a lot about the gulags, but, those fuckers would have rounded everyone up who ever voted D and we'd be doing life w hard labor w guards gushing and joking about "Fucking Liberals" the rest of our born days. Thank YOU Mr Rather for making it ok to talk about what we have to do to right the ship. We could start today if collectively we knew what to do to light the fuse.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
35. All those "Good Republicans" will be remembered
Fri Aug 17, 2018, 10:21 AM
Aug 2018

no matter how hard they try to claim they really didn't know what he was up to

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