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NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 06:31 PM Aug 2018

Cuomo: America was never that great

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/15/politics/andrew-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great/index.html

For the record, I support Cuomo's statement fully and stand by him even though Harris or Warren are my preferred 2020 candidates.


This will absolutely dominate the news cycle for the next few days in ways that little else has. I do expect an epic firestorm but sometimes things like this must be said.
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Cuomo: America was never that great (Original Post) NewsCenter28 Aug 2018 OP
Link not working Va Lefty Aug 2018 #1
just take off the period at the end jcgoldie Aug 2018 #2
Guess he's not running for President Trumpocalypse Aug 2018 #3
Yep. nt Kahuna7 Aug 2018 #5
He's not as dynamic a speaker as his father. brush Aug 2018 #15
How is the truth dumb? InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #18
It's dumb if Trumpocalypse Aug 2018 #19
It's not dumb if it's true and you have a REAL plan to make America great. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #20
It's still dumb Trumpocalypse Aug 2018 #21
I agree, it's not going to get him votes - which he needs. Rhiannon12866 Aug 2018 #24
The truth is often dumb to state out loud. nt NCTraveler Aug 2018 #29
Yeah the pearl clutching has begun 47of74 Aug 2018 #4
Agreed. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2018 #6
We are always striving to make a more perfect union lapfog_1 Aug 2018 #7
ALSO I WILL NEVER CEDE THE PATRIOTISM GAME TO A PARTY THAT FUCKING SOLD THE USA TO RUSSIA! NewsCenter28 Aug 2018 #10
Many people do not buy into the "work of progress" concept. Dawson Leery Aug 2018 #16
Aside From Killing The Indians, Enslaving Blacks, And Invading Countries LandOfHopeAndDreams Aug 2018 #8
OMG why do you hate America? maxsolomon Aug 2018 #11
Never touch the 3rd Rails: maxsolomon Aug 2018 #9
Don't Forget The Flag LandOfHopeAndDreams Aug 2018 #12
He's right, of course. And he was pretty reserved in his criticism. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #13
Sure does. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #22
I was pretty happy to get here. MosheFeingold Aug 2018 #14
+1. My great grandparents were being starved out of Ireland. This country saved us. FSogol Aug 2018 #17
Cuomo said different the other day Catherine Vincent Aug 2018 #23
My mistake. Catherine Vincent Aug 2018 #28
K&R ck4829 Aug 2018 #25
"Some men see things as they are and say, why; I dream things that never were and say, why not." Older Than I Look Aug 2018 #26
Anyone who disagrees should point out a single 5 to 10 year period ecstatic Aug 2018 #27

brush

(53,778 posts)
15. He's not as dynamic a speaker as his father.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 07:04 PM
Aug 2018

I was disappointed he stopped with "until women fulfill their potential". He could have included AAs, Latinx, Muslim Americans, Native Americans, etc. but I guess it was a women's event.

His younger brother seems to have a little more spark too when speaking.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
20. It's not dumb if it's true and you have a REAL plan to make America great.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 08:59 PM
Aug 2018

Sick of politicians who lie... Cuomo''s honesty is refreshing.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
21. It's still dumb
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 07:17 AM
Aug 2018

from a political standpoint. If he runs that comment will be in every attack ad. He will be defined by it.

Rhiannon12866

(205,405 posts)
24. I agree, it's not going to get him votes - which he needs.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 08:09 AM
Aug 2018

The last time he ran he only won because of the more populous downstate. Up here in the more Republican leaning rural areas, he lost...

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,857 posts)
6. Agreed.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 06:39 PM
Aug 2018

There's a lot to like about this country, but there's a collective delusion that this is the greatest country ever, which simply isn't true.

lapfog_1

(29,205 posts)
7. We are always striving to make a more perfect union
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 06:39 PM
Aug 2018

that is the meaning of the unfinished pyramid in the seal.

The nations is under construction.

Sometimes we take a few steps backwards in the construction.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
16. Many people do not buy into the "work of progress" concept.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 07:35 PM
Aug 2018

For the Conservative, American was perfect at it's founding. Slavery and no rights for women is all good for white men.

 
8. Aside From Killing The Indians, Enslaving Blacks, And Invading Countries
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 06:42 PM
Aug 2018

Putting all that insignificant stuff aside, the U.S. is pretty great.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
9. Never touch the 3rd Rails:
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 06:42 PM
Aug 2018

Always pay obeisance to:

The Troops who keep us Free.
American Exceptionalism.
Guns.
The Christian God.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
13. He's right, of course. And he was pretty reserved in his criticism.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 06:54 PM
Aug 2018

He could have said the country was founded upon the genocide of one people and the enslavement of another, the effects of which are still felt. That this society is patriarchal and white supremacist, as well as woefully ignorant. And he'd be right. The truth hurts.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
14. I was pretty happy to get here.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 07:00 PM
Aug 2018

The Nazis kind of sucked for us Jewish guys.

I was also happy to turn around and do a small part in kicking their asses.

The USA has flaws, but, I can assure you, compared to most any other country, it's pretty damn fantastic, in the past and in the future.

For example, the biggest blight on the USA: slavery. Well, the USA is hardly alone in that regard. All nations have taken slaves or their equivalent at some time. What is unique about the USA is slavery was abhorred by half the nation and we fought a very bloody war to get rid of it. Nary a country in the world fought a war like that -- with itself -- to free people.

I came to the USA essentially penniless; my father was a skilled worker that got us our ticket. We went from nothing to (me and my siblings): soldier/cop/lawyer/aide to a president, doctor, doctor, research scientist, engineer, and college professor.

That would never have happened in any other country.

FSogol

(45,485 posts)
17. +1. My great grandparents were being starved out of Ireland. This country saved us.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 07:43 PM
Aug 2018

They were coal miners and undertakers. The next generation were police officers and construction workers. Now we are engineers and veterinarians. Our kids go to college and choose their own path.

This is a great country when it attempts to live up to its ideals.

Catherine Vincent

(34,490 posts)
23. Cuomo said different the other day
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 08:01 AM
Aug 2018

He was talking about Trump and mentioned that it should have been "Make America Greater".

 
26. "Some men see things as they are and say, why; I dream things that never were and say, why not."
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 08:50 AM
Aug 2018

Same sentiment.

ecstatic

(32,704 posts)
27. Anyone who disagrees should point out a single 5 to 10 year period
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 08:56 AM
Aug 2018

of no atrocities or inhumane acts committed by the U.S. (domestically and/or internationally). Slavery, massacres, Jim Crowe, inhumane medical experiments, atomic/nuclear bombs, illegal invasions, land grabs, etc. The list goes on and on. The latest inhumane act (caged kids) is still ongoing. SMFH. And now the image of the US being that shining place on the hill is quickly crumbling. Hypocritical racists whose own parents/grandparents immigrated here want to shut the doors.

All the things that supposedly made America great in the eyes of the world--"democracy," overcoming a disgusting past and providing opportunity for ALL people--those things are being stripped away.

This trump debacle is waking a lot of people up.

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