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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 03:20 PM Aug 2018

I cannot underscore this any stronger: **This is not normal**.

Normal presidencies--even bad ones--do not engage in personal vendettas and enemy listing of people who simply have expressed their opinions.

This is the mindset of a wannabe dictator, plain and simple.

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I cannot underscore this any stronger: **This is not normal**. (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2018 OP
MSM continues to act that way. They are complicit in out democracy's demise. triron Aug 2018 #1
Watching MSNBC right now Eko Aug 2018 #4
Disagree. Don't hear them condemning it (at least not very strongly). triron Aug 2018 #5
Well then, Eko Aug 2018 #7
Turn on CNN. Everybody is horrified. catbyte Aug 2018 #32
Ali Velshi and Katie Tur did cover it well BigmanPigman Aug 2018 #11
I haven't watched yet, but I imagine Nicole Wallace and Company Cosmocat Aug 2018 #13
She's about to go into it again BigmanPigman Aug 2018 #14
I don't think that person is actually watching MSNBC or CNN, imo. n/t demmiblue Aug 2018 #16
Until 10 million of us march on Washington and scare the shit out of Congress lapfog_1 Aug 2018 #6
Bingo ! n/t jaysunb Aug 2018 #36
Count me in, Ive been waiting................ Old Vet Aug 2018 #54
that will be the only way bdamomma Aug 2018 #52
I think what you want Haggis for Breakfast Aug 2018 #41
That was Peter Finch who did that. Dave Starsky Aug 2018 #47
Ooooops. my mistake. Haggis for Breakfast Aug 2018 #57
It shows how small and craven the people around Trump, like John Kelly and SHS, are. RockRaven Aug 2018 #2
If they had any morals, Trump would never have offered them jobs. FiveGoodMen Aug 2018 #34
Sure but seems like yesterday when I would hear Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #3
Nixon. Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #8
Who resigned in disgrace under threat of impeachment. Older Than I Look Aug 2018 #12
Notice how they are doing them one at a time... lame54 Aug 2018 #9
I was just thinking that executing a coup malaise Aug 2018 #10
#BASTA orangecrush Aug 2018 #15
No argument here. Will no one be able to rescue us from this tyrant? nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #17
At the way things are going, and they certainly aren't in an uptrend, I won't be entirely KPN Aug 2018 #18
maybe he is hoping for HIS 9/11? pansypoo53219 Aug 2018 #19
Unfortunately that's true. Hopefully, unlike the Bushes he does not have the ME contacts to MIHOP. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Aug 2018 #24
Conseяvatives did this. ffr Aug 2018 #20
Didn't Johnson also have a file on Martin Luther King? Texin Aug 2018 #22
No but I believe J. Edgar Hoover did FakeNoose Aug 2018 #27
Yes, and Nixon had an Enemies List. raging moderate Aug 2018 #31
Trump is following the same play book Nixon used True Blue American Aug 2018 #45
We are seeing just exactly what the right-wing is... mudstump Aug 2018 #23
We know this isn't normal...the question mudstump Aug 2018 #21
he's the most dangerous man in the world with the codes to planetary annihilation spanone Aug 2018 #25
There is STILL very big money behind Trumpy. Eyeball_Kid Aug 2018 #30
Exactly Pachamama Aug 2018 #43
"By any means necessary-----". nt Atticus Aug 2018 #26
I didn't think it possible... SergeStorms Aug 2018 #28
I am with you there ... yuiyoshida Aug 2018 #44
I don't stop there. I extent it to every damn Republican alive. They are the scum of the scum. olegramps Aug 2018 #49
As one 'olegramps' to another... SergeStorms Aug 2018 #56
NO SHIT! Cha Aug 2018 #29
"not normal" is not strong enough - the Rethugs are criminals who have gone rogue diva77 Aug 2018 #33
The Rethugs are Nazis who have taken over America and don't intend to relinquish power. Ever. FiveGoodMen Aug 2018 #35
Even Dumbya tried to pretend he was president of all the people. lpbk2713 Aug 2018 #37
Trump wants to be more like PUTIN yuiyoshida Aug 2018 #38
More like Stalin Haggis for Breakfast Aug 2018 #42
WHich is what Brennan said and just about everyone else on MSNBC today. Swallwell just said it. Amaryllis Aug 2018 #39
trump is crazy and Russia wants him that way since it weakens the US. McCamy Taylor Aug 2018 #40
trump is slowly but surely jambo101 Aug 2018 #46
Trump is a Petty Tyrant. Nitram Aug 2018 #48
Just got off the phone with my Republican US Senator's office. PatrickforO Aug 2018 #50
I hope you said "Brennan" instead of "Bannon" !!!! :) diva77 Aug 2018 #51
LOL yeah I think I did. PatrickforO Aug 2018 #53
I totally agree. Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #55

Eko

(7,299 posts)
7. Well then,
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 03:42 PM
Aug 2018

acting like it is not normal and condemning it strongly are not the same thing at all.

BigmanPigman

(51,593 posts)
11. Ali Velshi and Katie Tur did cover it well
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 04:25 PM
Aug 2018

and were the first to call it for what it is...a petty DISTRACTION from the book coming out as well as the silencing of critics and prominent Dems.

lapfog_1

(29,205 posts)
6. Until 10 million of us march on Washington and scare the shit out of Congress
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 03:33 PM
Aug 2018

Congress won't do shit... they may not do shit even then... but

It may take 50 million people marching on Washington to save our democracy.

The MSM won't do much in the meantime.

bdamomma

(63,849 posts)
52. that will be the only way
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 02:48 PM
Aug 2018

we have the numbers, and we have a stupid POS a wanna be dictator ruining the country, What is wrong with this picture, and fucking Congress especially the repigs their wicked/greedy/traitorous ways are all over this. Complicit POS.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
41. I think what you want
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 09:54 PM
Aug 2018

is for someone to stick their head out of a window and scream (ala William Holden in "Network," 1976), "I'm as mad as Hell and I'm not going to take it anymore."

I think my neighbor did that on the last 4th of July (blame the beer).

RockRaven

(14,967 posts)
2. It shows how small and craven the people around Trump, like John Kelly and SHS, are.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 03:24 PM
Aug 2018

If they had any morals or dignity they'd just say "no, I'm not participating in this."

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
3. Sure but seems like yesterday when I would hear
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 03:25 PM
Aug 2018

"cant put my finger on it, just cant trust her"

or

"she did give a speech once to rich people, you know"

or


"She was in a picture with KISSINGER, anything is better than THAT"

sigh

malaise

(269,004 posts)
10. I was just thinking that executing a coup
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 04:01 PM
Aug 2018

is so much easier than ousting the coup leaders and their sycophants.

KPN

(15,645 posts)
18. At the way things are going, and they certainly aren't in an uptrend, I won't be entirely
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 04:45 PM
Aug 2018

surprised to see his presidency end in a fashion much like Mussolini. Lord help us we don't get into WWIII because of him, but it's certainly not without possibility.

We need to neuter him this fall by taking at least the House.

24. Unfortunately that's true. Hopefully, unlike the Bushes he does not have the ME contacts to MIHOP.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 05:24 PM
Aug 2018

Last edited Wed Aug 15, 2018, 06:37 PM - Edit history (1)

At least I hope he doesn't.

My biggest nightmare scenario is the SOTU speech, when literally everyone -- both houses of Congress, all the SCOTUS justices, the secretaries of the Cabinets, the Joint Chiefs, and the FLOTUS -- are tightly gathered in one room. Eliminate that room while Donnie Two Scoops' motorcade is just leaving the WH (he's late, as always, because making people wait is a big "fuck you" ) and "poof!" everyone who is standing in the way of him and absolute power and happiness is gone.

Of course, journalists -- the enemy of the people -- would have to be rounded up and stuck in the cages the children once occupied, and pollsters would be taken out and shot. There will be only one official state pollster, and the results will always show 100% approval.

That will only happen once he gets tired of picking off his "enemies" one by one. He's like a drug addict -- every time he wants to feel better he either goes to a rally or fires someone. If he found some way to get rid of Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller on the same day -- and I figure Kavanaugh and the Supremes figure in there somewhere, with a little help from Roger Stone, who's appealing his subpoena on the basis the Mueller investigation is unconstitutional --he'll orgasm with joy. He'll repaint Air Force One with his garish colors and name, hold one of his "IT'S ALL ABOUT ME!!!" parades once a month, each bigger than the one before, and force all the world -- with the exception of Putin, of course -- to bow at his feet.

I'm old enough -- over two-years-old -- to remember when our political process made sense, the U.S. was respected at home and abroad, and we didn't have an insane narcissist in the Oval Office.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
20. Conseяvatives did this.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 04:58 PM
Aug 2018

Consider that the next time you're in the voting booth. There are no good conseяvatives.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
27. No but I believe J. Edgar Hoover did
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 05:29 PM
Aug 2018

Hoover kept files on everybody, including Presidents and member of Congress.

raging moderate

(4,305 posts)
31. Yes, and Nixon had an Enemies List.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 05:41 PM
Aug 2018

I remember there was some joking about how everyone should submit an application to be put on Nixon's Enemies List.

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
45. Trump is following the same play book Nixon used
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 06:41 AM
Aug 2018

Yesterday I listened to an Author say, memories seem to smooth over things, but Nixon had the same group of die hard backers, a lily livered Congress, until the tapes came out. Baker turned on him, then it went down hill.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/john-farrell-nixon-book-excerpt-214954

mudstump

(342 posts)
23. We are seeing just exactly what the right-wing is...
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 05:23 PM
Aug 2018

and the kind of leadership and policy they have in mind. Is it frightening enough for you?

mudstump

(342 posts)
21. We know this isn't normal...the question
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 05:21 PM
Aug 2018

is what are we going to do about it? What if voting is so rigged against us we can't change this by putting sane people in office?

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
30. There is STILL very big money behind Trumpy.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 05:40 PM
Aug 2018

Lots of money is made in a fascist dictatorship. Major sources of capital have already lined up, waiting for a suspension of the Constitution. They presently are the businesses and people with whom Trumpy talks at night before his tweet rants.

Of course I don’t know the above for certain, but it DOES fit with the logic of the situation. Trumpy knows filthy rich opportunists. He considers them his friends. He will reward them with more unimagined riches if they stick with him. He rewards wealthy people who support him.

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
28. I didn't think it possible...
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 05:36 PM
Aug 2018

but I hate that orange, lying, cheating, thieving, racist, sexist, criminal Trump more with each passing moment. I will be satisfied with nothing less than his incarceration for the remainder of his wretched life.

NOTHING LESS!

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
49. I don't stop there. I extent it to every damn Republican alive. They are the scum of the scum.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 09:47 AM
Aug 2018

I have no hesitancy in stating that because they continue to support this monstrosity without any reservations. The ignoramuses and deplorable racists have prevailed while the majority of citizens are in total agreement with Malaria "I really don't care."

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
56. As one 'olegramps' to another...
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 08:23 PM
Aug 2018

I can't argue with you one bit about that! They're all co-conspirators as far as I'm concerned.

diva77

(7,643 posts)
33. "not normal" is not strong enough - the Rethugs are criminals who have gone rogue
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 05:44 PM
Aug 2018

and are ramping up flagrant violations of the law with no accountability.

lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
37. Even Dumbya tried to pretend he was president of all the people.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 07:41 PM
Aug 2018



Trump doesn't even bother to pretend. He doesn't care what anyone thinks.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
42. More like Stalin
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 10:01 PM
Aug 2018

Who once commented that he had "disposed" of more people than Hitler did. And without a scintilla of remorse.

I think trmp resembles Stalin more than Putin or Hitler. Remember that Stalin was NOT Russian, he was Georgian. He did not speak Russian at all fluently and he was widely mocked for that. He despised the power brokers because they never accepted him as a peer or respected him as a leader, in much the same way that Washington (and the high society of NYC before) have never accepted trump as an equal, much less a better.

jambo101

(797 posts)
46. trump is slowly but surely
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 07:33 AM
Aug 2018

Destroying America and its values and it seems no one can stop him, he is backed by a lunatic base and the same do nothing GOP Obama had to deal with.

PatrickforO

(14,574 posts)
50. Just got off the phone with my Republican US Senator's office.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 10:34 AM
Aug 2018

I started off by asking why a space force is better for me and my family than healthcare, or the $40 million in federal monies we still lack for an important highway widening project.

Then I mentioned the revocation of Bannon's security clearance and said I thought it was a last ditch attempt at obstructing justice by a traitor. I then went on to tell the staffer that I know how easy it is for people inside the beltway to get out of touch, but I let him know that among my many contacts, even the staunch Republicans are disgusted by Trump.

I told the staffer that people out here in reality are seething, because Trump has ignored the emoluments clause, and his administration doesn't even try to hide its utter corruption. It has disgusted and driven away most decent people.

I then said that the only people who still like Trump are the slathering white nationalist nazis, and they don't represent us. They don't represent our America. That isn't us.

Finally, I wound up with a short critique of the giant tax cut for billionaires and corporations and how that didn't help either of my children, who work for publicly held companies because CEOs upheld their fiduciary responsibility and bought back shares, which is the best thing for shareholders. But how does that help me or my children?

I said it would be wise for this Senator and other sane members of the Republican party to do more to hold Trump in check, and I mentioned he is lucky he's not up for reelection this year, because I said I expect a 'change of the guard' come November.

Not that it did much good, but I call his office every week to register my opinion about current events. Hope you all do also. And...fuck the rules...don't bother being brief. We're being attacked on a thousand fronts. Make your calls L A S T ! !

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