Let's bet the time Manifort will be declared guilty

[malaise]

I say within three hours - guilty on several counts!

[dalton99a]

1. Assuming there are no Trumpanzees on the jury

[redstatebluegirl]

2. Then there will be the poll on how long before Trumper pardons him.

I really think that was promised to him, no whether or not he gets one since his boss lies more than he tells the truth is another thing.

[spooky3]

3. There are a lot of charges to go through. I'd say

8 hours or more.

[janx]

5. So if they begin deliberating tomorrow,

you think we'll hear by tomorrow afternoon?

[bearsfootball516]

7. Hopefully that or Friday.

I might say that if we don't hear by the end of Friday, I'll be nervous. The evidence is so overwhelming that it should not take more than at the very most, two days.

[janx]

9. I want to know NOW!

[WheelWalker]

4. Not a bad guess. I'll say 11 hours deliberation total.

[lame54]

6. Wish I could share your confidence...

It was not a fight like hell defense
Something hinky is going on

[PoliticAverse]

10. What arguments do you think the defense should have made? n/t

[lame54]

11. I'm not a lawyer- don't ask me that...

But when a obstinate fighter decides to coast
There's a reason

[PoliticAverse]

16. They didn't really coast they made lots of legal maneuvers (and lost most of them)...

and they tried to discredit the testimony of the prosecution witnesses.

You should consider that maybe the reason you think the defense didn't put on a great defense is because they didn't have one.

[lame54]

19. Then they would cut a deal...

????

[PoliticAverse]

20. Some people don't like to go to prison. Gates made a deal and had to plead guilty...

and faces jail time. Maybe Manafort thought he can beat the charges. Maybe he thinks he'll get a pardon
if convicted. Maybe going to trial is his version of "fight like hell" even with a losing hand.

[lame54]

21. And maybe he knows something we don't

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

8. These people have so much money.

Malaise, I hope Im wrong...but, the mob has been paying off jurors a long time. Jury tampering happens. I just hope they care about their country more than money. Honestly, if they were approached, the money they'd make on the story itself would dwarf the payment to get them to sell their soul. I hope to Gods we start getting some good news.

[frogmarch]

12. If found guilty and trump pardons him,

could he still be fined and have to pay restitution?

[Sancho]

13. Verdict tonight unless it's hung up...

but not guilty on all counts. They will go for the tax evasion, but not the loan - they will just say the bank deserves to lose the money.

[malaise]

14. The bank CEO will pay for that one n/t

[spooky3]

15. I think they are still making closing arguments. So

Maybe jury will be sent home after those are finished, to return tomorrow.

[AJT]

17. Thursday afternoon.

[malaise]

18. Just heard that this may not go to the jury before tomorrow

Ah well!

[TomSlick]

22. I'll be the outlier.

The judge would not allow the prosecution to "publish" documentary evidence to the jury when introduced (something I have never seen a judge do). Instead, the judge determined that the jury could not have the documents until it retired to deliberate. I think the result will be that the jury will want to actually read all the documents.

If deliberations begin on Thursday morning, I bet it takes at least until late Friday for the jury to reach a verdict on all the counts. Given the judge's insistence on getting home in time for dinner, I would not be at all surprised to see deliberation go into Monday or Tuesday.

[spooky3]

23. That's a very good point. I didn't know that.

Thanks.