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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDonald the dump will make sure Manafort serves little to no time in prison if he is
convicted. We are nearing Friday and something will be the big newsmaker for the weekend.
at140
(6,110 posts)defense witness. He figures it is unnecessary. Presidential pardon is on the way?
kentuck
(111,098 posts)Manafort is very important to Donald Trump.
ADX
(1,622 posts)...so there will be no pardon forthcoming this week.
Raven
(13,891 posts)The only way PM could be sure a pardon is coming is if Trump has told him that or if someone close to Trump has delivered that message prior to his conviction. If this is the case, I think it would be obstruction of justice on Trump's part and I think a pardon under those circumstances would be challenged. Maybe PM is willing to take that risk but if someone hasn't told him already that putting himself at the mercy of Mueller through a guilty plea and a cooperation agreement rather than Trump and the promise of a pardon is the safer course, they should.
MiniMe
(21,716 posts)ChoppinBroccoli
(3,784 posts)And while he may or may not know that pardoning someone removes their ability to plead the 5th in future proceedings, I'm sure someone at some point at least TRIED to explain this to him. So that means if/when Trump himself goes on trial, Manafort would be powerless to protect him with his silence. This runs a lot deeper than Manafort serving some time. I think Trump is thinking SOLELY of saving his own skin. Which means the only logical conclusion is that there WON'T be a pardon anytime soon.
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Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)jury at 11:42 a.m., about an hour and 40 minutes after he began.
10:49 AM · Aug 15, 2018
Link to tweet
Defense closing statement is next, of course...that shouldnt take any more than two hours (else Judge Ellis will throw a screaming fit!!)...seems as if jury will start deliberations sometime today, barring any delays?
...and Welcome to DU, Gary Gary!!
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Iterate
(3,020 posts)That doesn't look good, even for DT, who's personally set the lowest bar. I'm thinking it's more likely there are endless appeals until Manafort can be rehabilitated on the right, and even then possibly a pardon on DT's last day when there's no cost to himself. Has DT ever sacrificed his position for anyone?
...last day...last day...there will be one.
Vinca
(50,273 posts)Manafort would still have to testify against Trump. Unless, of course, he's spirited out of the country on Vlad's private jet. In the background, Vlad's calling all the shots.