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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 04:00 PM Aug 2018

Unknown Detroiter upends Michigan state senator

A little-known candidate with a questionable past who spent no money on her campaign shocked state Sen. David Knezek on Tuesday, upending the Dearborn Heights Democrat in a primary that was not expected to be competitive.

Betty Jean Alexander of Detroit topped Knezek by nine percentage points in the 5th District state Senate primary, according to unofficial results from the state and Wayne County.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/08/08/unknown-upends-michigan-senator-knezek/937688002/


Anyone have any theories about why this happened?
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Unknown Detroiter upends Michigan state senator (Original Post) oberliner Aug 2018 OP
"fair enough" nt LanternWaste Aug 2018 #1
Seems fair - just surprising oberliner Aug 2018 #2
Democratic women are turning out en masse to vote for other women in Democratic primaries. LonePirate Aug 2018 #3
That's definitely one takeaway oberliner Aug 2018 #4
I have not idea who she is, however, pennylane100 Aug 2018 #5
Good point oberliner Aug 2018 #6
A much higher then normal turnout by an energized base. Kaleva Aug 2018 #7
I'd be curious to learn more about that race you mention oberliner Aug 2018 #11
It ought not be surprizing that a black woman defeats a white male in a predominatly black district. Kaleva Aug 2018 #14
It's not a predominantly black district oberliner Aug 2018 #16
My error. "Predominately" and "heavily" are inaccurate descriptions. Kaleva Aug 2018 #33
No problem oberliner Aug 2018 #35
I think we can look back to the 6-way race in 2014. LisaM Aug 2018 #26
I don't know much about him but he seems to be a good Dem. Kaleva Aug 2018 #34
The results sound very suspicious underthematrix Aug 2018 #8
There were so many voting issues on Tuesday in several different places oberliner Aug 2018 #10
A middle aged white male loses in a heavily black district sounds suspicious? Kaleva Aug 2018 #13
Yes it does based on all the issues at Detroit polling places. I think that needs further underthematrix Aug 2018 #17
Wasn't it a primary? An AA Dem defeated another Dem. brush Aug 2018 #22
Assuming she does run in the general election oberliner Aug 2018 #25
It's not a "heavily black district" (52 percent Black, 42 percent White) oberliner Aug 2018 #19
But Her Voters Wouldn't Have Been Able To Cast Their Ballots Either Me. Aug 2018 #15
Here's an interesting Facebook post oberliner Aug 2018 #20
Woman wave. joshcryer Aug 2018 #9
That does seem to be part of it, definitely oberliner Aug 2018 #12
Lori Stone also won. joshcryer Aug 2018 #18
Just saying "I'll vote for the woman" without knowing anything at all about the woman? oberliner Aug 2018 #21
I'm not disagreeing. joshcryer Aug 2018 #23
Makes sense oberliner Aug 2018 #24
Pretty interesting. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #27
Lamar Lemmons oberliner Aug 2018 #28
I'm not that surprised by the polling issues. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #32
...Alexander did not have campaign signs or a website, and little information is available about her riversedge Aug 2018 #29
She just deleted her Facebook page oberliner Aug 2018 #31
woah.... Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #30
Would love to hear from the winner oberliner Aug 2018 #36
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
2. Seems fair - just surprising
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 04:07 PM
Aug 2018

Wondering if anyone has any additional insights into the significance of this (if any). The how and the why and the what it might mean.

LonePirate

(13,431 posts)
3. Democratic women are turning out en masse to vote for other women in Democratic primaries.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 04:08 PM
Aug 2018

The article mentions some targeted phone banking by Alexander with that desired effect.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
4. That's definitely one takeaway
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 04:10 PM
Aug 2018

I also think possibly the incumbent maybe took the race for granted and didn't do much campaigning (a la Crowley in NY). But that's just a guess.

Edit to add: His twitter account, though, does suggest that he did do some campaigning.

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
5. I have not idea who she is, however,
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 04:10 PM
Aug 2018

I hope she proves all the doubters wrong. It would be could good for Michigan. Surely she can be no worse than the monsters that unleashed the disaster in Flint. They all belong in jail.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
6. Good point
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 04:13 PM
Aug 2018

Maybe folks are so fed up with what happened in Flint that there is a general "kick the bums out" sort of vibe happening there.

Kaleva

(36,351 posts)
7. A much higher then normal turnout by an energized base.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 04:17 PM
Aug 2018

In another upset, State Rep. Patrick Green was defeated by Lori Stone, a Warren Democrat and teacher.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
11. I'd be curious to learn more about that race you mention
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 04:22 PM
Aug 2018

Was it a similarly unknown person that won without raising money?

Kaleva

(36,351 posts)
14. It ought not be surprizing that a black woman defeats a white male in a predominatly black district.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 04:30 PM
Aug 2018

Sen. David Knezek came out ahead in a 6 way race back in 2014. This time he had one opponent.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
16. It's not a predominantly black district
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 04:41 PM
Aug 2018

Dearborn Heights, which is in the district, is at least 80 percent white.

Edit to add:

I found this website:

https://statisticalatlas.com/state-upper-legislative-district/Michigan/District-5/Race-and-Ethnicity

It shows the district as 52 percent Black, 42 percent White - so, majority Black, but not quite predominantly.

Kaleva

(36,351 posts)
33. My error. "Predominately" and "heavily" are inaccurate descriptions.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 09:46 PM
Aug 2018

Thanks for correcting me.

But I do not find it unusual a black woman who apparently ran an effective, no frills, ground campaign defeated a white guy in a district that is majority black in a year where the base is highly energized and who turned out in record numbers this election.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
35. No problem
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 10:36 PM
Aug 2018

And your point is taken.

It just seems odd that this person was able to run such an effective campaign without any local reporters or journalists even knowing who she is. I'd be curious to learn more about her ground campaign.

LisaM

(27,832 posts)
26. I think we can look back to the 6-way race in 2014.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 06:49 PM
Aug 2018

He didn't get a mandate in the primary election. Now, I don't know much about him and the job he did (sounds like he did fine), but clearly he performed differently in a two-person race, when women candidates, at least in the primary, have done well. I think a lot of women were also pumped to go to the polls and vote for Gretchen Whitmer, and she might have had coattails for other women candidates.

How that will play out in the general, I don't know. I'm not particularly thrilled with the trend of knocking out good-performing sitting representatives in the primary, but in this case, I'm not even sure the challenger expected to win.

Kaleva

(36,351 posts)
34. I don't know much about him but he seems to be a good Dem.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 09:49 PM
Aug 2018

Circumstances this year may have done him in given that he won his seat in a 6 way race back in 2014 and like you said, didn't have a mandate.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
10. There were so many voting issues on Tuesday in several different places
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 04:21 PM
Aug 2018

Does not bode well for the midterms and beyond.

Kaleva

(36,351 posts)
13. A middle aged white male loses in a heavily black district sounds suspicious?
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 04:28 PM
Aug 2018

Sen. David Knezek eeked out a victory in a 6 way race back in 2014.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
17. Yes it does based on all the issues at Detroit polling places. I think that needs further
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 04:46 PM
Aug 2018

inquiry. I'm African American and I support white DEM candidates. I will always chose a white DEM candidate over a AfAm Republican because it's not about their race, it's about their hateful harmful mean spirited policies.

brush

(53,871 posts)
22. Wasn't it a primary? An AA Dem defeated another Dem.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 05:36 PM
Aug 2018

She will run in the general election against a repug.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
19. It's not a "heavily black district" (52 percent Black, 42 percent White)
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 04:48 PM
Aug 2018

Among just adults of voting age, it looks to be closer to even.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
15. But Her Voters Wouldn't Have Been Able To Cast Their Ballots Either
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 04:34 PM
Aug 2018

so what's the beef aside from her winning

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
20. Here's an interesting Facebook post
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 04:50 PM
Aug 2018

Sherry Gay-Dagnogo
21 hrs ·
Let’s deal with race in Detroit and Michigan! A number of people asked me why I wasn’t jumping to run for Senate against David Knezek and I shared because he does an amazing job serving our constituents and I’m not wedded to politics, or stepping on others, but solutions! To be perfectly honest, I’m PISSED! I’m pissed at LaMar Lemmons for his games in this election and the race against Brian Banks for Senate. AND I’m pissed with the Mayor’s Omarosa for trying to deliver flowers to Knezek’s opponent for her victory! This man served our district well! Yes, white, AND a champion for justice and what is right! Our state is SICK! We have too many people that want to simply be elected, or to seize power without understanding what is at stake! My heart laments for the state of politics! My heart laments for who will really stand for what is right! I’m willing to work with anyone and shared that with @MayorMikeDuggan today at the @MichiganDems Unity Breakfast. BUT I won’t conceal my disgust with the games, the inadequacies of our elections process, and those with their fake endorsements, which help put us on the road to nowhere! I pray to God that we can get beyond politics as usual because we have a rough road ahead to truly advance #Justice4All! #FreeAgent #NotHappy

Note: The author is an African-American woman (and Democratic State Rep)

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
9. Woman wave.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 04:19 PM
Aug 2018

It's no surprise that a lot of men lost their primary races. People bemoan this as "identity politics" (Greenwald in particular seems perturbed by it). But it is finally happening.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
12. That does seem to be part of it, definitely
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 04:23 PM
Aug 2018

But I'm wondering, as someone noted above, if the voting issues that have been reported are related to some of the more surprising results.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
18. Lori Stone also won.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 04:47 PM
Aug 2018

It's very likely women going in to the voter booth and simply saying, you know what, I'll vote for the woman. Is that bad? Possibly. Betty Jean Alexander has a sordid history and it could hurt her, and she almost certainly didn't expect to win (she spent not a dime on the race). But she's playing off her struggles with bankruptcy as her being a regular person (whether that will work remains to be seen, but people do bounce checks, good people, desperate to pay bills etc).

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
21. Just saying "I'll vote for the woman" without knowing anything at all about the woman?
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 04:53 PM
Aug 2018

That seems bad, in my opinion.

I am not saying that is what happened here, though. It's possible but perhaps there is more to this story.

Don't know how the Lori Stone victory is similar/different to this one. But I'll check it out.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
23. I'm not disagreeing.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 06:03 PM
Aug 2018

But if more women start to see that women will band together to elect women, it should compel actually more qualified people to run.

Lori Stone beat out Patrick Green for state House: https://www.macombdaily.com/news/peter-lucido-tops-ken-goike-for-senate-incumbent-rep-patrick/article_e6429418-9a96-11e8-954f-471f21f94037.html

I think it's good in the vein that a lot of Republicans will just vote for anyone with an R beside their name, including known criminals. So why not have loyalty within women groups for women candidates?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
27. Pretty interesting.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 06:57 PM
Aug 2018

Are the articles I’m reading say she was recruited by LaMar Lennons? Guy has some solid Detroit political connections.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
32. I'm not that surprised by the polling issues.
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 07:53 PM
Aug 2018

Detroit had significant issues in 2016.

I don’t see something like this happening because of one thing(gender). She might not have raised money but some type of effort was put forward and the guy who recruited her is not new to campaigning.

riversedge

(70,306 posts)
29. ...Alexander did not have campaign signs or a website, and little information is available about her
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 07:01 PM
Aug 2018

unbelievable. yet, it happened. Her luck --or this telephone network thing better work for her come Nov. --



..............She’ll face Republican nominee DeShawn Wilkins in the Nov. 6 general election.


............Alexander did not have campaign signs or a website, and little information is available about her online. She filed a waiver with the state indicating she did not plan to raise or spend more than $1,000 on the campaign.

“She did not spend a dime,” said former Detroit School Board President Lamar Lemmons, who recruited Alexander to run because of his own frustration with Knezek on education policy.

Instead, Alexander campaigned though a “grassroots” telephone network by engaging other African-American women, Lemmons said.


Alexander was not available for an interview but is expected to hold a press conference later this week.

The 53-year-old is a single mother with two children who works in an administrative job, Lemmons said. She grew up with Lemmons’ wife, Georgia Lemmons, who considers her a sister.

“She’s reflective of the women of the city of Detroit,” Lemmons said, noting the district is predominately African-American. “She’s a busy working mother trying to take care of her kids.”
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
31. She just deleted her Facebook page
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 07:07 PM
Aug 2018

A reporter posted a link to it on twitter earlier today and now it's been taken down.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
36. Would love to hear from the winner
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 09:26 AM
Aug 2018

Get a sense of what her ground game was - how she was able to pull off the upset.

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