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(2,162 posts)does hate America.
yuiyoshida
(41,864 posts)If so, every person who signed on this,needs to resign now, if not, someone needs to be arrested, for "Attempted Murder" or something like that. Where the fuck are the lawyers on this???
Trueblue Texan
(2,445 posts)...they should have their health insurance coverage revoked!
pazzyanne
(6,558 posts)tRump don't need no congress for things like this. That is why he has a pen. Just sign and voila, he can fix things all by himself. Only he can do it!
FakeNoose
(32,777 posts)The Secretary of Environmental Protection Agency reports directly to the President* and is a member of Cheeto's cabinet of worthless billionaires. Until a couple weeks ago it was Scott Pruitt, who resigned and was replaced by another toadie.
Remember that letter than Rand Paul just hand-delivered to Putin? I'll bet this was included as one of the quid-pro-quos.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)brer cat
(24,615 posts)canetoad
(17,195 posts)Any company using asbestos will ever get any kind of insurance. The underwriters won't be keen on a new batch of cases.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)causing illness or death with their actions or products. I guarantee it.
2naSalit
(86,804 posts)the less we will be able to complain, that's how it works in russian dominated countries. That's one aspect of life we can look forward to.
gtar100
(4,192 posts)There used to be "maximum wage" laws for industrial workers, laws that forbade people from helping slaves, laws that kept women from voting, and so many more gems. All from the wondrous party of conservatives and capitalists (socialism is for the rich you filthy peasants!), using whatever name they called themselves at the time. Look at all the waste they produce and dump out on our lands, into our waters and skies, leaving all the refuse for us consumers to deal with. They want unregulated capitalism except for the liability part. That they will protect with laws.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Esp. Big pharma, got a bill passed you can't sue them if they harm/kill you with any of their drugs, while at same time they no longer have to do go thru stringent testing before selling some drugs.
We, the buyer, ARE the test.
Taht's why you see on drug warnings, in tiny print, a Fed. website you can report side effects to .
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Consumers have left the barn, so this is for show...and to show the world just how much Putin owns Trump.
FM123
(10,054 posts)And in Russia they are now selling asbestos with trump's face on it.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/11/asbestos-trump-face-seal-uralasbest-russia
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)victims of asbestos toxicity, so asshole Trump lifts the ban on asbestos. The mans a royal prick.
pazzyanne
(6,558 posts)lapfog_1
(29,226 posts)I am beyond angry over this BS.
kag
(4,079 posts)This is maddening.
It is going to take a very long time to clean up 45's mess. And we'll only be able to TRY once we take back our government.
Meantime, they just keep shitting all over us and telling us it's chocolate pies.
Ponietz
(3,024 posts)spicysista
(1,663 posts)fight like hell this November and GOTV!
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)See, first they're not going to require any disclosure of the presence of asbestos. Then, they deny funds to the CDC to track asbestos poisoning and cases of mesothelioma. After that, they commission some scholarly medical journal articles that deny there's any danger to the public health from asbestos. Then they'll say that the presence of asbestos kept innumerable low-income housing apartment buildings from burning down, and why do you hate poor people?
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)any product...the profit motive skews towards science.
Takket
(21,634 posts)Old Crow
(2,212 posts)oasis
(49,410 posts)Turbineguy
(37,372 posts)asbestos is gluten-free and non-GMO?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,368 posts)Uralasbest, one of the worlds largest producers and sellers of asbestos, has taken to adorning pallets of its product with a seal of Trumps face, along with the words Approved by Donald Trump, 45th president of the United States.
The move follows the US Environmental Protection Agencys recent decision not to ban new asbestos products outright. The EPA said it would evaluate new uses of asbestos but environmental groups have criticized the agency for not going further by barring them on public health grounds.
In a Facebook post, Uralasbest published pictures of its Trump-adorned chrysotile asbestos, writing: Donald is on our side! The post thanks Trump for supporting Scott Pruitt, the recently departed head of the EPA, who declared that his agency would no longer deal with matters related to side effects potentially caused by asbestos. It adds that Trump called asbestos 100% safe after application.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/11/asbestos-trump-face-seal-uralasbest-russia
yuiyoshida
(41,864 posts)is a Asshole.
They_Live
(3,241 posts)I love your posts.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)Last edited Thu Aug 9, 2018, 12:39 PM - Edit history (1)
If someone would like more information and some commentary about what's in those bags, and their labeling, I'd be happy to oblige as a public service. I'll wait for a request rather than pound the keys unbid because I don't want to work on a post if people have already left this thread.
Also, it may be helpful if you read my other comments in this thread first before we tackle the subject in more detail.
Thanks.
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UPDATE: Perhaps my earlier comments here were a bit cryptic. Let's try this: Do you guys want me to share some basic info and insights about the asbestos that's in those bags in the photos? I mean, right here in this thread? How it works, what it does, how it's used, why it's dangerous, and what I think is going on with those pallets?
Honestly, the worst thing, as a reporter, is to be without readers.
yuiyoshida
(41,864 posts)iT CAN only help...
BigmanPigman
(51,632 posts)I am so glad he is backing all this with really great, free healthcare because people are going to need it more than ever now.
"According to environmental advocates, this new rule gives chemical companies the upper hand in creating new uses for such harmful products in the United States. In May, the EPA released a report detailing its new framework for evaluating the risk of its top prioritized substances. The report states that the agency will no longer consider the effect or presence of substances in the air, ground, or water in its risk assessments."
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142128350
Now he is also allowing pesticides to be used in wildlife refuges...
"The Interior Department announced plans Friday to reverse a rule that banned the use of pesticides in national wildlife refuges.
The decision, announced in an internal memo posted online, reverses an Obama-era ban on the use of neonicotinoid pesticides as well as genetically engineered crops within refuges where there is farming."
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142125743
yuiyoshida
(41,864 posts)He really is trying to kill us. Please Robert Mueller, don't be too late with your findings, The only thing I worry about is the do nothing Congress... all of it totally lame. THAT BLUE WAVE CAN NOT COME SOON ENOUGH!
BigmanPigman
(51,632 posts)who are trying to warn the US about the mental problems that the moron has. I knew all about the malignant narcissism and sociopathy but I did didn't realize he also is a sadist. I know, duh on my part. But he really loves to see people suffer at his hands. He has always been like this.... he sets up his so called "loyal friends" in his admin, immigrant children in cages, senior citizens who rely on our social support systems and the people with pre-existing conditions who can't afford insurance. He is so fucked up, cruel and sick.
yuiyoshida
(41,864 posts)talk about sick, his base thought it was wonderful he was putting Mexican kids in cages, and probably got the idea from Joe Arpaio, Trump never had an original thought in his head.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)All the talk of Trumpy being sick mentally ultimately gives him an excuse. Fuck that. Hes evil. Hes just plain evil and he needs to be isolated so he cant continue to destroy and spread suffering and death. But no, the festering gaggle of pus is the most powerful person on earth and hes not going to stop until hes forcibly removed from office.
pazzyanne
(6,558 posts)tRump IS the anti-Christ, and they are worshipping him. Disgusting!
FuzzyRabbit
(1,969 posts)"How many lives can I ruin today?"
Afromania
(2,771 posts)I was a strange kid and liked watching the news. Nearly every day there was a story about asbestos making people, kids in particular, sick. If it wasn't run down tenements/apartments it crumbling schoolrooms spreading asbestos dust around. I guess he'll want to allow pain to be lead based again too?
That piece of shit is from the city of the time AND in the construction/real estate business. So I KNOW trump knows full and well how bad this stuff is from first hand knowledge. To now want to allow that shit back into building products, or whatever else, is beyond outrageous. I'm sure NY isn't going to have any of that shit if it isn't tied up in court by other states first.
watoos
(7,142 posts)Even Hitler knew the dangers of asbestos so he kept his workers safe from it.
summer_in_TX
(2,754 posts)His illness from asbestosis made it hard to work to support his wife and three kids. But to qualify for any aid, he had to not work at all, and that left his family destitute. Neither he nor his wife had the education to know how to navigate the various forms or where to get help. Our Sunday school class gave them money more than once.
His suicide galvanized us into a ministry to figure out what assistance was available, what the process of applying was for each form of assistance, and we set up a volunteer-based referral service. We helped people know how to get help from churches, nonprofits, and others.
A dozen years later, that ministry is a well-funded nonprofit that is still helping many people in need locally.
It figures that Trump would allow asbestos back into use here. What a despicable man!
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,494 posts)What a wonderful way to honor that man who lost his life, probably due to complacency of some corporation regarding health and safe work practices. I watched asbestos being carefully removed from plant facilities for many years in my field service work, including some refineries and paper mills in TX.
Considering the very long disastrous history of this material, I seriously doubt if this change will stick for very long. There's no way in hell it will return to any significant usage. Hopefully, insurance underwriters won't allow it.
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Puzzler
(2,505 posts)of this decision. There is ZERO doubt about asbestos. Zero.
Im having difficulty believing that the trump image logo is real ...
(apologies, but Ive been incommunicado for a few hours having some oral surgery done: now on strong painkillers!)
... if it is, then Russia is really f***ing with Trump. His face on the asbestos?
(those painkillers are screwing with my senses, right?)
-Puzzzzzzler
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Puzzler
(2,505 posts)-Puzzler
LincolnRossiter
(560 posts)I feel like Ive been had.
Mojoe31
(7 posts)Old Crow
(2,212 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)Old Crow
(2,212 posts)Last edited Wed Aug 8, 2018, 11:22 PM - Edit history (3)
1. Russia: 618,037 metric tons
2. Kazakhstan: 175,235 metric tons
3. Brazil: 125,832 metric tons
4. China: 52,860 metric tons
5. India: 119 metric tons
In 2013, Russia led the world in asbestos exports by a massive margin. The nation shipped off 618,037 metric tons of the toxic mineral, more than the next four leading countries combined. While China and India exported significantly less asbestos than Russia, Kazakhstan and Brazil, in 2013 these countries were the two largest asbestos importers.
Source: https://www.asbestos.com/mesothelioma/worldwide/
For the loopholes allowing the reintroduction of asbestos into manufacturing processes under the Trump administration, see the following: https://archpaper.com/2018/08/epa-asbestos-manufacturing/
Let's get the word out. This is almost unbelievable. Yui, once again: You're invaluable. Great post.
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UPDATE: On consideration, I changed my accuracy rating of the meme from 100% to 95% since it refers to a ban, when no outright ban existed. Rather, for decades, there has been a complex web of federal regulations and legal liability that made most uses of the mineral difficult to impossible. That's a more accurate description of the situation than the word ban; but you'd never get that to fit in a meme. Still, I try to be scrupulously honest with everyone on DU, so: 95%. Thanks.
Omaha Steve
(99,741 posts)K&R!
OS
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,864 posts)that is caked with this stuff...ITS going to kill every one of them, white, black, Asian, Hispanic, middle eastern, everyone...who get low housing, is going to die from this.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It's the installers who stand to suffer the most from it. And repairmen.
AND...if you need a repair and have asbestos, look out. If you have more than a little bit, the repair service has to use special equipment and fill out forms for the govt for safe removal, and it'll cost you a LOT.
All so Russia can sell its asbestos to America.
yuiyoshida
(41,864 posts)$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Trump is an Asshole. Republicans are Assholes.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,864 posts)They are trying to obstruct the Mueller investigation, and remove it so Trump can be President for life,(and his new Supreme court pick, will allow it ) as a puppet under Putin.
ET Awful
(24,753 posts)Old Crow
(2,212 posts)smb
(3,475 posts)Trump's face is well suited to "don't mess with this stuff; it'll make you sick" warning labels.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,494 posts)That would end this insane issue almost immediately, especially if a few large states like California outlaw it. There would need to be reasonable exceptions in any new rules, but blocking it in some states would largely discourage it's distribution.
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47of74
(18,470 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,494 posts)can hear the GOP hypocrisy on Faux News now.
Thank goodness it's easier for states to implement stronger regulations vs. weaker ones. However, I hear tRump wants to go after Cali's auto emissions regulations......
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C Moon
(12,221 posts)Don't know that it will do him much good.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,494 posts)Let's all hope they have the very best safeguards available in place. From what they say was recently found in Florida, we gotta watch our backs at all times.
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C Moon
(12,221 posts)magicarpet
(14,175 posts)No more asbestos injury cases allowed in the courts any more.
Asbestosis/mesothelioma is fun,... get some for your kids, family, and friends today. A great gift for birthdays and Xmas.
C Moon
(12,221 posts)dchill
(38,546 posts)GOP, where are you? (We know, you're on a trip to Moscow.)
Swine.
Takket
(21,634 posts)Asbestos in the USA is dead. Gone. It is never coming back.
Persons in the construction industry literally will not even touch it. They won't even touch anything they THINK might be asbestos. Abatement companies are called in for tests whenever anything is questionable and if anything contains asbestos they literally built a tent around it, ventilate the tent through a filter so they release no fibers into the air, and remove it by persons wearing hazmat suits. They will also build a portable shower at the site of the asbestos so they can wash off before leaving the area and putting their own clothes back on. I work in the industry and see this stuff first hand all the time.
Building codes ban its use. You can't even use it if you want to. And even if you made it legal tomorrow there isn't a snowball's chance in HELL that you could sell an ounce of it in the USA. No installer wants to handle it and no Owner wants it in their building. You may as well try to sell paper mache for use in place of structural steel because you probably have a better chance of making sales of that than you do anything with asbestos in it.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)Please read the article below for an explanation of the loopholes created by the Trump EPA to allow the reintroduction of asbestos into the building materials manufacturing process.
https://archpaper.com/2018/08/epa-asbestos-manufacturing/
The Guardian has also done some helpful reporting on this:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/11/asbestos-trump-face-seal-uralasbest-russia
Will asbestos be reintroduced into building materials in the U.S.? I don't know. But clearly Trump is pulling levers and turning gears in an effort to make it happen.
Russia is the world's biggest producer, by far, of asbestos (see my fact-check of this earlier in the thread). If the United States, whose lead is followed by many other countries, reintroduces asbestos into various manufacturing processes, it would be a massive boost to the Russian economy.
I don't think the biggest asbestos mining operation in Russia is putting Trump's portrait on their shipping pallets of asbestos for no reason at all.
SCantiGOP
(13,874 posts)No company would consider using asbestos. Dozens of companies were sued out of existence because of that decades ago, and that was before everyone knew how carcinogenic it was.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)I don't want to offend you or get in a back-and-forth. But I would urge you to read a few articles on this issue before dismissing it out of hand. Thanks.
Tanuki
(14,922 posts)former9thward
(32,082 posts)The EPA tried to ban some asbestos products in 1989 and courts overturned that ban in 1991. There is no ban.
https://www.epa.gov/asbestos/us-federal-bans-asbestos
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)If you'll check the two stories I've linked to above, they go into more detail and give a fuller, more accurate picture of what's going on.
TLDR: Asbestos has been difficult to use in the United States for decades due to regulations and legal exposure. The Trump administration's EPA recently announced their decision to not ban asbestos outright and to consider new uses for the mineral.
One of the most disturbing statements by Trump's EPA is as follows: "[The EPA] will no longer consider the effect or presence of substances in the air, ground, or water in its risk assessments." This opens the door to reintroducing the mineral into many manufacturing processes.
radical noodle
(8,013 posts)that asbestos has been found in one brand of crayons this year. Don't know if it's connected. Thanks for the OP yuiyoshida!
bullwinkle428
(20,631 posts)was my workspace had to undergo asbestos abatement! On each occasion, the laboratory had to be literally sealed off, and the workers wore the head-to-toe "space suits" with complete facial protection including respirators. Asbestos is truly awful, evil shit, and I haven't the slightest tolerance for any ignorant RW piece of shit attempting to saying anything in the slightest to argue that point.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)... given that asbestos is not, and has never been, banned in the USA (except for 6 particular very old applications it's not been used for in decades), ergo, it's NOT 'being brought back'.
https://slate.com/business/2018/08/the-trump-administration-is-not-bringing-back-asbestos.html
Pardon me for reposting something from someone else upthread, but it was ignored so I'm reposting for them ... lets at least know what we're talking about, guys ...
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)Last edited Wed Aug 8, 2018, 11:37 PM - Edit history (3)
Quite frankly, the piece feels to me like it was dashed together from about one hour of Googling in order to meet a deadline. (I'm a former newspaper reporter and editor; one of the topics I've covered was asbestos abatement and removal.)
Problems:
1. Title and Subhead: "The Trump Administration Is Not Bringing Back Asbestos: And couldnt, even if it wanted to." Catchy. But unsupported. Change some EPA regulations here, some federal liability laws there, and it's perfectly possible. These may well have been written by someone other than the reporter (that's common practice); but still.
2. Graf 8: "The decision represents an about-face from 2016, when the TSCAthe law too weak to justify the asbestos ban and phase outwas strengthened in Congress." Odd. For the title, the subhead, and the first seven grafs, the reporter is telling the reader this asbestos thing is all much-ado about nothing. Now, for the next two fact-filled grafs, he almost reluctantly divulges to the reader that the Trump administration has been undoing legislation that made the use of asbestos so difficult.
3. Graf 9: "In May, Trumps EPA announced it would not investigate indirect exposure to those chemicals, including in air or water." The significance of this seems to escape the reporter. What the EPA itself has stated is that indirect exposure would no longer be considered a factor in determining the safety of a proposed application of the mineral. This is alarming, and sets the stage for EPA approval of many new uses of asbestos. Yet the reporter glosses right over it.
4. Graf 10: "All that said, its extremely unlikely that companies will be chomping at the bit to put asbestos back into your house." In a weird, inverted emphasis, the reporter now pooh-poohs the most important information regarding asbestos regulation in his own story, essentially saying, "Naaaaaaaah. Not gonna happen. Cuz lawsuits." What the reporter fails to appreciate is that this is not one company's efforts. This is an effort led by the White House and the EPA. With a Republican-controlled Congress, any number or federal laws can be revised or jettisoned to make it difficult to sue for asbestos-related damages going forward.
Also, and this is trivial, the expression is "champing at the bit," not "chomping." Sorry: My editor's pen is kicking in here.
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At this point, you might be wondering who the reporter is. I know I was. Henry Grabar, according to Slate, is a staff writer for Slate's "Moneybox." What is Moneybox? According to Slate, it is "A blog about business and economics." Judging by this story, Mr. Grabar's expertise in the areas of law and science and asbestos is a bit thin.
My two cents, as they say.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)We weren't putting something out there that distorted reality, in our haste ...
Your points are well-reasoned.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)And thank you for taking the time to read my comment. I hope more do. This is a disturbing development. It is hard not to conclude that the president and his EPA administrator are acting not in the interests of the United States, but in the interests of the world's largest asbestos exporter, which happens to be Russia.
Kudos to Yui Yoshida for sounding the alarm. This story needs to get out there.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)I knew there was a lot of misinformation about asbestos out there, but your post made some fuzzy stuff a lot more clear.
kcr
(15,320 posts)It seems to me they've resorted to more clickbait over the years. I used to be a paid member but I canceled a while ago after some of their better writers left. I think your assessment of this article is correct. My feeling was while it may be technically correct that isn't a ban, that's really not relevant. Trump's maneuvers clearly warrant concern.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)This particular story is illustrative, I think, of the fact that a nice layout, a good choice of the display font for the headers, and some good photos can be deceiving. You see a final product that looks smart and polished and you tend to assume the writing is top-notch and has been gone over by an editor with some experience in the subject. Yet that is often not the case. Were I editing the piece for publication, I would've sent it back to the author with the problems I've detailed: "Not ready for publication; please address these points."
Luciferous
(6,085 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Mesothelioma is the cancer that asbestos produces.
Zevon didn't know how he got it, but his son thought his dad got it from playing in the attic of an old house as a kid. Merlin Olsen, a Mormon who never smoked or drank, thought he got it from working on old film sets that were rife with asbestos.
Asbestos is bad stuff.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)sellitman
(11,607 posts)Make Asbestos Great Again.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)freaking republican betrayers of America.
Oneironaut
(5,525 posts)"It's like global warming all over again. FAKE NEWS!"
- The Trump Admin's inevitable Soviet-esque gas lighting of the American public.
zanana1
(6,129 posts)It was a slow, horrible way to die. He had been a plumber for many years and inhaled asbestos on some of his jobs.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)Like Make America Great again, then helps the russian putin over the safety of the American people. His lies are very telling who he really gives his loyalty too, again. He is a asset of putins, and getting more obvious every day.
lamsmy
(155 posts)No builder/contractor with half a brain will touch the stuff. The threat of future litigation is just too great.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)will no longer be necessary either.
Richard D
(8,779 posts). . . if the new relaxed law would allow for receiving asbestos from Russia and then sending it onto other countries via a trump company or a crony owned company.
malthaussen
(17,217 posts)Any new products have to meet extant EPA standards.
-- Mal
Tribalceltic
(1,000 posts)My theory is that he and all republicans are trying to kill all people of Color and poor.
bucolic_frolic
(43,311 posts)It took lots of maneuvering to trash our environmental laws and align the political forces to do so
Bear Creek
(883 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)Gothmog
(145,619 posts)Trump really believes that asbestos is safe. Trump is an idiot
FakeNoose
(32,777 posts)This is what Pootie wanted, and now Pootie got it.
It's called a quid pro quo, and Cheeto is scratching his back. Remember that meeting a few weeks ago?
The secret meeting where nobody knows what Cheeto promised his boss?