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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 07:22 PM Aug 2018

Seriously. Giuliani is the worst lawyer ever:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/4/1785917/-As-Russia-probe-continues-Trump-continues-to-slide-into-frustration-fury-and-panic

Trump has told some associates that Giuliani has convinced him Mueller has nothing incriminating about him. “Rudy’s told him the other player is bluffing with a pair of 2’s,” said one Trump adviser.


As a lawyer it's your job to ask your client if the other side will come up with something incriminating.

It's NOT your job to convince your client that there is nothing incriminating.
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OnDoutside

(19,965 posts)
1. I can only imagine that this is a planted story for some reason. Trump is going more off the bend
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 07:25 PM
Aug 2018

than he ever was. There is no way Trump is convinced of the above. No way.

Wounded Bear

(58,682 posts)
2. Trump only likes people who reinforce his pre-conceived notions...
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 07:28 PM
Aug 2018

It's one of the primary ways he gets in trouble.

If Ghouliani told him that, it was because it was what Trump wanted to hear and believe.

Hopefully, reality will bite Trump in the ass without getting too many Americans killed.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,797 posts)
3. Spanky has consistently hired lawyers who were bad in various ways.
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 07:29 PM
Aug 2018

Cohen, Kasowitz, Sekulow, and now Giuliani. That's probably because the good ones wanted nothing to do with him.

Trump Lawyers don’t anticipate problems or take precautions at all. Trump Lawyers fight — occasionally in courtrooms, but mostly on TV. It didn’t matter that Kasowitz isn’t known for criminal defense — until recently, his claim to legal fame was that he negotiated the settlement that saved the maker of Chesterfield cigarettes from financial ruin — any more than it mattered that Goldberg had never handled a divorce. Like Trump, Trump Lawyers tend to have something of an attention-­grabbing rebellious streak: Sekulow, who grew up Jewish in Brooklyn, now identifies as a messianic Jew; he believes that Jesus is the messiah. Until recently, McGahn played guitar in a classic-­rock cover band. At the same time, Trump Lawyers embody the cliché of a certain type of litigator in much the same way that Trump’s properties embody the cliché of luxury. They are rainmakers; they are flamboyant; they are bare-­knuckled; they are hard-­charging.

Trump Lawyers practice Trump Law. Trump Law is not about the merits of a case or even its resolution. It doesn’t matter if you’re threatening to sue, suing or being sued yourself. What matters is that you dominate, or be seen as dominating. In Trump Law, you can lose and still win, or at least declare victory, as Trump did after losing his defamation suit against the author Timothy O’Brien, claiming, falsely, that he had succeeded in his goal of costing O’Brien a lot of money. ‘‘Trump and Kasowitz saw our litigation as a form of guerrilla warfare, I think, and were less concerned about facts and the law,’’ says O’Brien, whose publisher covered all of his legal expenses. After the suit was filed, O’Brien realized that he had met Kasowitz before: The lawyer had been in the audience at one of his readings and told O’Brien afterward — elliptically at the time, ominously in retrospect — that they would be seeing each other again.

Trump Law is theater. What matters most is showmanship. The proof that the president-­elect was relinquishing control of his companies before taking the oath of office was right there in the stacks of manila folders piled up beside him at the pre-­inauguration news conference inside Trump Tower. Don Jr. and Eric Trump, who would be taking over the Trump Organization, watched solemnly as Sheri Dillon gestured at the files, explaining that they contained just some of the paperwork that would ensure that President Trump would be completely isolated from the businesses. Were the pages inside actually blank? In the world of Trump Law, that’s irrelevant.

...Trump Law does not concern itself with how you’re supposed to do things. ‘‘Donald would say, ‘I hate lawyers who tell me that I can’t do this or that,’?’’ Goldberg told me. And so Trump Lawyers don’t. It was an arrangement that worked for Trump and his legal teams for years. And so it continues in Washington. Under Trump Law, it is perfectly fine for the president of China to stay as a guest at Mar-­a-­Lago, for the lobbying arm of the Saudi government to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars at Trump’s Washington hotel, for Trump to have a private dinner with the director of the F.B.I., James Comey, even as his agency was investigating Trump’s campaign. Under Trump Law, it is O.K. for Trump not to divest himself of his assets or place them in a blind trust, and for the drafting and rollout of his Muslim travel ban to be overseen not by experienced government lawyers but by his 31-year-old senior adviser, Stephen Miller. Under Trump Law, Trump can appoint a national security adviser, Gen. Michael Flynn, who had worked secretly as a paid lobbyist for Turkey, and fire Comey, as he himself explained, to relieve the pressure of the Russia investigation.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/05/magazine/all-the-presidents-lawyers.html

treestar

(82,383 posts)
6. Rule 11 violations galore
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 08:02 PM
Aug 2018

If it means anything, it should be used against the Orange One and his lawyers. That’s an admission of guilt where he says the purpose was to cost the other side money.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
7. After conviction, the FAKE president will appeal on the basis that his attorney
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 08:11 PM
Aug 2018

is incompetent and made numerous fatal errors in the defense.

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