Many of us have thought this...the Los Angeles Times says it!

[State the Obvious]

Was the 2016 election legitimate?

( LA Times Op-Ed contributor, Virginia Heffernan)

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-heffernan-trump-illegitimate-20180728-story.html#

Short Excerpts:

"We need to talk about a forbidden subject: the legitimacy of the current president. There's been a code of silence around President Trump's shady victory in 2016. It's one of those tiptoe-around-it things that the American family just doesn't talk about. And for good reason....

...as more and more facts about Trump's incongruous victory emerges, the doubts gnaw harder - and grow harder to ignore...

...A nation devoted to majority rule has a minority president who squeaked into high office on an electoral college technicality...against most data projections...using voter supression...using Russian disinformation. And most chilling of all with a massive assist from the Russian military, which not only hacked the Democrats, but also hacked voting software, and a voting-system manufacturer.

...Trump has been desperately trying to get voters to 'move on' from the 2016 presidential election and to get special counsel Robert S. Mueller III to 'move on' from the Russia investigation.

...The remedy is to keep speaking up, work for electoral reform to restore free and fair elections, and of course let justice run its course in the form of the investigations into Russian interference and Trumpland complicity."

(Read in full)

Kudos to new Los Angeles Times owner, Dr. Patrick Soon Shiong and contributor Virginia Heffernan

[MontanaMama]

1. Illegitimate pResident.

Keep saying this over and over.

[spooky3]

6. Love your gif! nt

[triron]

11. +1000

[Liberalagogo]

23. Here ya go:

[Different Drummer]

24. *Love* your pic! n/t

[MontanaMama]

33. Oh hell yes!

May I print and share?

[onetexan]

38. Yes, it's about time we have mentioned in the MSM

that a worthless, know-nothing, racist, pathological liar and grotesquely misogynistic con artist is in fact an illegitimate president who colluded with a foreign adversary to steal the last general election.
Thank you LA Times!!!

[olegramps]

58. I never have, nor will I ever, recognise this imposter as President of the Unite States.

The electoral system must be abolished and replaced with majority rules. Period. No argument. It was a bad compromise by those writing the constitution to appease the southern states just as was its tolerance of slavery. The deleterious of both still continue to plague the nation. Throw in gerrymandering, voter suppression and outright abuse of the judicial system and we have an intolerable situation in which the minority rules.

[peggysue2]

2. Said it from election night . . .

he's illegitimate. Which is why I've never referred to him as President, only Imposter-in-Chief or something in that vein. The American public was snookered in 2016. A fraudster is sitting in the WH.

Never forget, never forgive.

[Stuart G]

3. YES, " Never forget, never forgive" November will be just a start...!!!

[Volaris]

43. Remember remember

To vote this november. Regarding the Vladimir Plot, I can tell of no reason the GOPs TREASON should EVER be forgot .

[ananda]

13. *This*

Agree!

[colorado_ufo]

14. It wouldn't be the first time.

Remember "hanging chads?"

Remember hired "protestors" outside the election count?

Remember the Supreme Court shutting down the recount?

Remember what it got us? Endless war and trillions in debt, thousands upon thousands of lives lost, a giant recession.

[erronis]

15. I remember and I hope most of do. Repuglicons and vested interests subverting democracy.

Thanks for reminding us of this. The assault continues....

[world wide wally]

65. And those lovely deplorables voted for another fucking Republican

They are not known for their brains or common sense.

[MythosMaster]

18. Remember

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028466551

Always remind those that would rather forget....

[Hekate]

29. Remember John Kerry. GOP cannot win without cheating, apparently. nt

[No Vested Interest]

36. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Brett Kavanaugh identified as one of the "hired"

protestors outside the 2000 FL election count?

[Lars39]

48. I didn't see him listed on the wiki article

[Texin]

63. He was clerking on the SCOTUS for Anthony Kennedy if I recall correctly.

Now, as to the "paid protestor" part, I couldn't say.

[uponit7771]

53. +1

[brush]

40. Yes. Many of us here joined you. It was stolen.

Glad some in the media are starting to float that idea out there.

[calimary]

50. Same here. I still can't in all honesty call him by that title.

I usually refer to him as just “trump” or “so-called President,” but lately, I’m kinda partial to “The Asset.”

I really don’t have a real, actual, legitimately elected President at the moment. And every time I see news footage of him in the Oval Office, I yell at the TV: “get OUT of Hillary’s office!”

And you’re exactly right, peggysue2. NEVER Forget, NEVER Forgive.

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

64. I have never referred to him as President either.

The phrase I use is some variant on "the moral monster infesting the White House".

[Achilleaze]

4. republicans* betrayed America, jumped into bed with Evil Empire**

sold their souls. Treason against the USA. Disgusting.

* under the misleadership of Comrade Dirty Donny, the republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief
** per ronald freaking reagan (R)

[Jarqui]

5. I'm kind of past that

On the balance of probabilities, which is the bar for civil cases - unlike 'beyond reasonable doubt' for criminal cases - I do not believe the 2016 election was legitimate.

[roamer65]

7. Rutherfraud B Trump.

The 2016 election is very similar to the 1876 one.

[FailureToCommunicate]

30. Was the leader of Russia -the Tsar- involved in that one?

(JK JK i know your intent)

[uponit7771]

8. K&R

[Pepsidog]

9. Election fraud, conspiracy to defraud, voter suppression, cyber warfare-damn right he's illegitimate

[eleny]

10. Please and thank you

Rec'd

[polmaven]

12. Fabulous!

That is one BRILLIANT Op-Ed!!!

[Gothmog]

16. Trump is not legitimate

[SunSeeker]

17. K & R

[marieo1]

19. legitmacy of the current president

Thank you, LA times. We all know but no one does anything about it.

[ck4829]

20. That's a good question

[Ccarmona]

21. I Just signed Up For a Trial Online Subscription to the LA Times

And, if the new owner is going encourage his writers to tell the truth, I may keep it.

[Scurrilous]

22. K&R

[Paladin]

25. K&R. trump is not my president, and he never will be.

[Capperdan]

26. But Trump really doesn't "Move On"

He relives it at everyone one of his rallies. He didn't want to really win. He doesn't know what to do now, right?
He never knew what to do. It was a big publicity stunt that he got basically for free by phoning Fox News while they were live.
I hate him. And I hate Russia.

[Hekate]

27. KnR!

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

28. Ahhh

ghouliani today. Now it makes sense. Auto babble for 48 hours on cnn and msnbc. So tired of continuous dt opinion. We gotta do something.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

31. And they followed it up w crisis actors/staff and crisis troll commentators on the web.

[Snackshack]

32. Agreed.

IMO the Los Angeles Time should have gone further and questioned the legitimacy of the entire Republican Party not just the president. Republicans have consciously violated their oath to protect the US in their complicity with trump. They cannot be trusted to put the country and it citizens first. The continued existence of the republican political party need to be seriously discussed.

[FakeNoose]

34. Kick and rec!

[riversedge]

35. Yes. keep speaking up #standonEveryCorner

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[KT2000]

37. stolen election

and he is an illegitimate president.

[gulliver]

39. Trump is illegitimate and he knows it. Everybody does.

[dalton99a]

41. Kick

[zipplewrath]

42. Illegitimate Party

Quite honestly, we have a minority president and a minority party running the country. They maintain power through voter suppression, gerrymandering, and the unbalanced Electoral College. I really don't think you can run a democracy like we have for long in that situation.

[dem in texas]

44. Yes, I alwys though the difference between the popular vote and the electoral college was too large

I didn't know how they did it, but I figured there were some smart mathematicians involved. Now it is clear how it was done. We've got to get the Democrats in power so safeguards can be put in place to keep this from happening again.

[GetRidOfThem]

60. I am repeating myself here, but....

..the first thing a dem majority in the house and senate must do is alter the constitution and get rid of the electoral college!

[oasis]

45. Illegitimate, "fake" president. A fraud. nt

[Honeycombe8]

46. This is the sort of article that is TRUMP'S BIGGEST FEAR. L A Times said it. Brave.

And good for L A Times!

[dae]

47. Illegitimate pResident and defu(n)ct party.

[EndGOPPropaganda]

49. Illegitimate GOP senate majority too.

The Russians also affected the vote in PA, MO, and WI where Toomey, Johnson, and Blunt won by small amounts
Those Senate seats should be in Dem hands.

The GOP senate is illegitimate too. We must impeach all the Trump judges when this shitshow is over.

[WhiteTara]

51. I based my Free Parking column this week based on this.

It publishes on Wednesday

"Are you going to believe me or what you see with your own eyes?" Groucho Marx

Last week, Donald Trump cautioned his supporters (29% of voter age Americans) that they should not believe what they saw and heard; only his words. Irony must be dead; this is the man who lies constantly. He’s told over 2000 public lies in a mere 19 months into a 4 year term. His supporters happily lap his nonsense up at the height of “2 scoops.”

As Trump tries to persuade that minority of Americans of his innocence, the wheels of the criminal justice system grind on; one after another confessing their crimes and telling of larger crimes by the international conspirators working to destroy the fabric of the western democracy.

“Was the 2016 election legitimate? It's now definitely worth asking the question” read a 7/28/2018 LA TIMES headline; all the signs point to NO.

The November 6th election is less than 100 days away. The Republicon congress has refused to protect our elections from treasonous election theft by failing to fund ballot box security. The foundation of our Republic (not to be confused with Republicons) is the Ballot Box. This is where a free society talks to their government officials and servants and votes their approval or disapproval.

Republicons have forgotten or are simply disregarding the tenets of democracy and their oaths to defend and protect the CONSTITUTION “from enemies both within and without.” Their only desire is to win. Once they “win” they can’t govern because they come from a place of greed. They allow their inner Golums to overcome their sworn duty to serve the People, instead demanding the People serve them.

One of the GOP’s favorite election theft techniques is voter purging. During the 2014 election cycle, 14 million voters were purged, in 2016, another 16 million voters. Make sure your vote is protected. Check VoterView.org often, especially if you are an occasional voter. Keep registration forms in your car to help others register. Contact your Secretary of State and demand safe paper ballots.
Protect your voice. Register. Vote on 11/6/2018.

[Upthevibe]

52. Thanks for posting......... KICK............... N/T

[Cha]

54. It was Fishy from the start.. and rotting

from the head down.. and here we are.

[DFW]

55. For all thir foresight, the Foundeing Fathers never foresaw this:

They never built into the Constitution a remedy for reversing the result of a fraudulent election. If they had, President Hillary Clinton would at this very moment be consulting with legal staff over the pardon solicitations from Team Trump.

[llmart]

56. Great editorial!

This should be reprinted in every major newspaper in the U.S. The terminology should be used over and over again "illegitimate president". Tie it around the GOP's neck.

Then we need to do whatever we can to fix this and expose just how the illegitimacy came about so it doesn't happen again. I'm tired of the GOP stealing the presidency.

[spanone]

57. K&R...

[kimbutgar]

59. On the Daily show last night Andrea Mitchell said the election was hacked

I was shocked to hear her say it. She sounded tepid but she did say it.

I want the statement “Russians hacked the election in favor of twitler “ become louder in the media.

[Botany]

61. Tell me again how the Russians did not effect the election's outcomes?

" ... all with a massive assist from the Russian military, which not only hacked the Democrats, but also
hacked voting software, and a voting-system manufacturer."

[RicROC]

62. it was a coup.

Let's face the real case. The Trump selection was a coup.

Moreover, the Bush v. Gore Supreme Court intervention was a coup.

The impeachment of Pres. Clinton was an attempted coup.

Time to call the 2016 Election 'Null & Void'.