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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCharles Blow to Trump: "There's no such thing as fake news."
@CharlesMBlow
Theres no such thing as fake news. If something is false it doesnt get printed. If something false slips through, it gets corrected. There is NO SUCH THING as fake news. You label unflattering news fake, but the news about you is horrible because you live your life horribly.
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mnmoderatedem
(3,728 posts)Faux
Igel
(35,346 posts)Or, if it's on a website, it gets corrected but there's no way to contact those who read it to update them. How often do you go back on Friday or Saturday to reread all the stuff you read on Wednesday and Thursday?
Worse yet, there's misleading news, where it's almost for sure that the reporter knows it's misleading and wants to mislead. Or perhaps not give offense. Old saying: Half a truth is worse than a lie.
Maybe I'll quote Blow as defending Fox News and RT. After all, if it's in the media it's either true or it's quickly corrected.
I know full well that's not what he means. Not on the least. He's on a team and protecting that team--and Fox, RT, and many, many other media sources are *not* on *his* team. But the two points stand: corrections issued in a way that don't produce any real correction, and half truths by omission of context or other relevant facts.
BTW, that "correction" thing is also a problem for researchers. If you are doing newspaper research you might find the original article on page 1 but overlook the correction on page 18. Or run into what I have from time to time--you look up the original quote from something that was translated, and you find that the translation is accurate but the sentence before or after the quote, not translated, radically alters the meaning.
In like manner, I heard a sermon in which the minister ranted about a newspaper article. "Here it is, proof that ___________ is evil." With all the quotes, which seemed quite over-the-top to me. I had trouble imagining any serious politician would say these things, except one of the most extreme, while drunk and possibly on drugs, and in the privacy of his closest and looniest supporters ... and that only after checking for bugs or recording devices. After the sermon I asked to see the clipping he'd been reading from and which, in fact, he said he'd read in it's entirety. (He saw me, the thorn in his side, in the congregation and knew I'd say, "But context!" Yet unread by him, at the bottom, was the last line penned by the writer. "This is writ sarcastic."
Different Drummer
(7,641 posts)handmade34
(22,757 posts)the Onion (and Borowitz report)... but #notmypresident has destroyed satire
erronis
(15,328 posts)Fake News is 'News I don't like"
False News is "Stuff I put out on the web for my sheeples."
False Fake News is "When I report on something I read in the real news and misrepresented it."
Fake False News is "When the media reported what I said as if it was real."
Unfortunately we are reporting that last item the most - even well-vetted news sources actually report the twitler's bombasts as if they are significant.
Chris Studio
(82 posts)For a wide variety of reasons a hell of a lot of propaganda slips through the US media 'truth' filter.
We see it when it comes to foreign policy, we see it when it comes to outside the mainstream ideology, and we see it when it comes to economics.
Popular opinions are presented as fact, and that is truly fake news.
He's right though, that Trump has just coined that term to slander any media coverage/media outlet he doesn't like.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,032 posts)Pauldg47
(640 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,258 posts)Charles M. Blow really really nailed it.
keithbvadu2
(36,880 posts)Cokie's Law - about politics and media coverage...
Cokie's Law states that it does not matter if it is true or not. It's out there.
Cokie Roberts journalist, author, reporter
Nasruddin
(754 posts)Like someone else says, mostly "fake news" means "news that's unflattering to Donald Trump", but in reality
there's all kinds of it
- there are rebranded press releases
- first reports from any major incident - we should call this stuff wrong news, not fake
- spin from public figures
- narratives spun by reporters who just get it wrong and filter out conflicting info
- junk from partisan web sites
- made up stuff from grocery-line tabloids
This stuff has always been around!
House of Roberts
(5,180 posts)It doesn't matter if he's right or wrong, he's just 'out there', as in way out there.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)People forget that "fake news" was the term initially given to describe fake stories made up by Russian hackers and then was co-opted by Trump to mean any story he didn't like.
From CNN, 2015:
Facebook wants to crack down on the scourge of fake news stories that go viral on the social network.
https://money.cnn.com/2015/01/20/technology/facebook-fake-news/index.html
So many interesting components of that story when looked at in retrospect.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Sadly, it's been effective. Instead of focusing on Russia's immense social media campaign and the desperate need to combat it, along with the desperate need for media literacy to be taught in every school, the focus is on defending the media against Trump's attacks.
A media that chases ratings and doesn't want to upset advertisers (and, thus, is reluctant to call a lie a lie), while promoting false equivalencies out of some warped sense of what constitutes fairness. A media that couldn't go 5 minutes without talking about Clinton's emails (including MSNBC with the likes of Andrea Mitchell). A media that is owned and operated by just a handful of giant corporations.
Alas, Trump - or at least those advising him - knows what he's doing when it comes to propaganda and controlling the narrative.
volstork
(5,403 posts)This pretty much says it all.
kpete
(72,013 posts)says it all.
DFW
(54,436 posts)I Guess Thats Why He Calls It Fake News (I guess thats Why They Call It The Bluesby Elton John)
A.
Just watch what you say
Cause he carries a grudge forever
Between you and me, you know its this way
You know hell never get better
B.
It wont go away
Do-nald has still got his pride
And it wont be long before he turns to run
To the tower of gold where hell hide
Chorus:
And I guess thats why he calls it fake news
Cant understand, what he says is not true
Asking his children
Bragging bout lovers
Bashing Acosta for stories he covers
And I guess thats why he calls it fake news
A.
Hes so out of place
Waving his small little hand
At each press conference, theres no hesitation
He lies and (he) says hes the man
The story unfurls
But dont ask, it wont help
Cause more than ever, he cares not for truth,
He only cares about himself
Chorus:
And I guess thats why he calls it fake news
We understand, cause the man has no clue
Asking his children
Bragging bout lovers
Bashing Acosta for stories he covers
And I guess thats why he calls it fake news
aeromanKC
(3,326 posts)Its all they have.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,109 posts)unless you want to change "fake" to outright lies, Faux Nooze is one or they other, but they do not fit YOUR description of news.