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shockey80

(4,379 posts)
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 01:54 PM Jul 2018

The Republicans are committing suicide. It's fucking unbelievable.

The party that kidnapped children. The party that obstructs justice. The party that sabotaged health care. The party that is the party of useful idiots for Russian espionage.

This is fucking nuts. If the democrats are unable to win this November, there needs to be a big change of leadership in the Democratic party.

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The Republicans are committing suicide. It's fucking unbelievable. (Original Post) shockey80 Jul 2018 OP
Help get out the vote awesomerwb1 Jul 2018 #1
Agree 1,000,000 +++ % n/t RKP5637 Jul 2018 #2
They are sure Russia will help them stay in power in November kimbutgar Jul 2018 #3
Yes. Sad, but true. GoCubsGo Jul 2018 #5
That right there Glamrock Jul 2018 #7
They have the advantage of money, voter suppression and gerrymandering that is creating a Trust Buster Jul 2018 #4
And the last thing we need are OPs like this saying if we can't win we need a total... brush Jul 2018 #10
or at least a change in the following lapfog_1 Jul 2018 #6
It remains an uphill battle. mn9driver Jul 2018 #8
I wouldn't count on it Sherman A1 Jul 2018 #9
Ahhh...maybe help GOTV instead of posting these "win or else" threads. brush Jul 2018 #11
They committed suicide when they installed Trump into office Mr. Ected Jul 2018 #12
ffs! if we're unable to win in november, maybe the obstacles are bigger issues than our leadership! unblock Jul 2018 #13
The Republicans recovered from Dubya Vogon_Glory Jul 2018 #14
Democratic leadership needs to reflect on their party's part in this mess. CrispyQ Jul 2018 #15
If we don't win, something's wrong wonkwest Jul 2018 #16
if I had a nickle for every time berksdem Jul 2018 #17
have the russians told them they're safe? spanone Jul 2018 #18
To us they seem to be. To any rational person who is able to and willing to get actual news Caliman73 Jul 2018 #19
No way we lose if we put in the effort. 🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊 oasis Jul 2018 #20
Whatever the reasons, The Republicans have been kicking the Democrats ass. shockey80 Jul 2018 #21
As long as racism and sexism remains rampant, there will be a GOP. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #22

awesomerwb1

(4,268 posts)
1. Help get out the vote
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 01:56 PM
Jul 2018

Write postcards
Get active on Social Media (hold your nose if you have to)
Donate money
Volunteer for phonebanking, door knocking
Check to make sure you're registered to vote, help others do the same
Vote and bring lots of friends

You'll feel better

kimbutgar

(21,224 posts)
3. They are sure Russia will help them stay in power in November
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 01:57 PM
Jul 2018

That is why the party of Russia is so confident they will stay in power. Notice they take no actions to stop Russia. Watered down investigations, no cyber security funding. I wonder why???

We have to vote against them in massive numbers in November.

GoCubsGo

(32,097 posts)
5. Yes. Sad, but true.
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 02:00 PM
Jul 2018

They are also relying on the American people to remain apathetic and uninformed about everything that has been transpiring for the past two years.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
4. They have the advantage of money, voter suppression and gerrymandering that is creating a
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 01:58 PM
Jul 2018

Politically artificial environment.

brush

(53,925 posts)
10. And the last thing we need are OPs like this saying if we can't win we need a total...
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 02:10 PM
Jul 2018

overhaul of the party despite vote suppression, gerrymandering, Russians helping the repugs cheat and on and on.

lapfog_1

(29,228 posts)
6. or at least a change in the following
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 02:01 PM
Jul 2018

vote tabulation and vote hacking
gerrymandered districts
voter suppression by removing legal voters from registration roles
propaganda "news" channels
fake news spread by social media

efforts by foreign governments to change the outcome by using all of the above

mn9driver

(4,428 posts)
8. It remains an uphill battle.
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 02:05 PM
Jul 2018

Voter suppression and gerrymandering is a huge problem. It will only be overcome with a huge majority of the votes.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
9. I wouldn't count on it
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 02:06 PM
Jul 2018

they have been in bad shape before and somehow it seems we still have a Republican Party around.

Mr. Ected

(9,673 posts)
12. They committed suicide when they installed Trump into office
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 02:12 PM
Jul 2018

But they have Russia to bring them back to life. It's their get out of jail free card, and nothing says they won't use it to win in 2018 and 2020. I just hope we're not doing a post-mortem in 2019 to discuss that the Blue Wave wasn't enough to overcome it.

unblock

(52,387 posts)
13. ffs! if we're unable to win in november, maybe the obstacles are bigger issues than our leadership!
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 02:16 PM
Jul 2018

we really shouldn't preemptively post-mortem the elections just yet.

but we already know that retaking the senate is a huge challenge because most republican senators aren't up for re-election this cycle and most of those who are are in very red states. plus we've got a lot of seats to defend just to break even.

we also know there's more gerrymandering than there's ever been and a whole lot of voter disenfranchisement going on.

plus corporate and foreign money and other forms of corruption.


with everything that's going on, i really don't think the minority leader of the house or the senate is likely to loom large this election.

Vogon_Glory

(9,133 posts)
14. The Republicans recovered from Dubya
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 02:25 PM
Jul 2018

So I won’t count them as dead yet. I’m fact, I won’t count them dead until all the life-signs have flattened, the body stops twitching, and the corpse reaches room temperature.

Having said that, I wish you were right, but it’ll be a while before the Republicans become a fragmented, powerless minority party.

CrispyQ

(36,540 posts)
15. Democratic leadership needs to reflect on their party's part in this mess.
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 02:26 PM
Jul 2018

The GOP didn't come to this kind of power with a strong opposition party challenging them.




 

wonkwest

(463 posts)
16. If we don't win, something's wrong
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 02:28 PM
Jul 2018

In our body politic.

And there will need to be some heavy introspection. And it will be ugly.

But let’s see how November goes first. We’ll have plenty of time later. I have my serious criticisms about the party, but I’m withholding them mostly. November just needs to be our entire thing at the moment.

berksdem

(597 posts)
17. if I had a nickle for every time
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 02:34 PM
Jul 2018

I heard this... reThugs are as slippery as a wiggly fish. They always seem to manage to get away with whatever is on the conservative shit menu.

Voting is what changes it.... GOTV!

Caliman73

(11,752 posts)
19. To us they seem to be. To any rational person who is able to and willing to get actual news
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 02:42 PM
Jul 2018

You have to remember that it isn't just the Republican party though. The system is set up to protect the status quo which is wealth and White Supremacy. That is what the Republicans truly represent. There are billionaire media, fossil fuel, shipping, and other wealthy people who do not want their revenue streams and accumulation of wealth to be disrupted in any way. They are using their influence and the passions (anti-LGBT, anti-Black, and anti-Immigrant) of average people as well as their fears (crime, economic concerns, changing society) to solidify an active voting base.

To us, who are passionate about politics and policy, who get their information from different sources and try to go into depth on issues; to us, it is obvious what the Republicans are doing. To the average citizen, they are just trying to make ends meet and/or just focusing on their sports teams, who is winning on their favorite reality show, which celebrities are throwing shade or getting married to each other, etc...

46% of the eligible voting population did not bother to vote in the last presidential election. The election was decided by less than 80,000 votes across several states. There are known facts about Russian interference and strong suspicions about actual tampering of the vote. Pair that with gerrymandering and voter suppression and just the math of the situation and you are looking at an uphill climb.

The media is also stoking up the natural conflict that exists within the Democratic Party, being the big tent that it is between progressives and moderate forces.

You are right, we should, based on the issues and what is best for the country, CRUSH the Republicans. The sad truth is that the election is only partly based on those things.

We all need to work to get people out to vote. That is what will win. We cannot rely on "the leadership" to make it alright. We the people have to ensure it.

oasis

(49,429 posts)
20. No way we lose if we put in the effort. 🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 02:46 PM
Jul 2018

What a message a Blue tsunami would send.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
21. Whatever the reasons, The Republicans have been kicking the Democrats ass.
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 02:56 PM
Jul 2018

I am tired of it. The democrats take the high road, The Republicans take the low road and win. The Republicans control everything now. Why do so many democrats stay home during elections?

How could so many democrats who voted for Obama vote for Trump?

This is just my opinion , but I believe the Republicans are winning because they play low down dirty hardball and Democrats play nice softball.

The Democrats keep on hoping the Republicans will come back to moderation, The center, that is not happening. I was a big fan of Obama and he tried to take the high road. He tried to work with the Republicans. The Republicans fucked Obama. They were complete assholes. They did not care about anything except beating Obama.

The Democrats have to stop playing softball, they have to stop thinking the Republican party will come to the senses. The Democrats need to attack and destroy the Republican party. They need to play low down dirty hardball. It may take knew leadership to do that.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
22. As long as racism and sexism remains rampant, there will be a GOP.
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 02:58 PM
Jul 2018

It isn't right wing economic policy or environmental policy or health care policy or foreign policy that is keeping the Republican Party alive and kicking.

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