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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:40 AM Jul 2018

The Strzok hearing damaged our democracy - The Washington Post Editorial Board

By Editorial Board
July 12 at 6:48 PM

TEMPERS BOILED over on Capitol Hill Thursday as Peter Strzok, the FBI official at the center of President Trump’s attempts to discredit special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, testified before a joint meeting of two House oversight committees. With all its yelling and interruptions, the hearing was a fitting coda to the hyperpartisan farce of an investigation that House Republicans have conducted into the FBI and Mr. Mueller’s Russia probe.

Republicans spent hours parsing text messages and waving documents in the air. But all of it, just like most of the broader House investigation, was a distraction from this central point about the conspiracy narratives the president and his defenders have been cooking up about the FBI: If the agency had been trying to harm Mr. Trump’s campaign, agents could have released damaging information on pro-Trump Russian interference before Election Day — and they did not.

The investigators certainly had a lot they could have spilled. “In the summer of 2016, I was one of a handful of people who knew the details of Russian election interference and its possible connections with members of the Trump campaign,” Mr. Strzok said. “This information had the potential to derail, and quite possibly, defeat Mr. Trump. But the thought of exposing that information never crossed my mind.”

Whether you believe Mr. Strzok’s account of what he was thinking, the fact is that the FBI said little about Russian meddling before Election Day 2016. There simply was no effectuated plot to harm Mr. Trump’s electoral chances.

For his part, Mr. Strzok could not argue his way out of responsibility for his now-famous 2015 and 2016 text messages expressing strong anti-Trump views, as well as criticisms of other 2016 presidential candidates. Yet the messages are not proof of anything other than Mr. Strzok’s personal feelings — and, in committing them to writing on company equipment, his poor judgment. Republican arguments presumed that Mr. Strzok’s opinions were tantamount to corrupt behavior. As Lawfare’s Susan Hennessey, a former National Security Agency lawyer, put it, “What is actually on display here is House GOP members demonstrating that they cannot even conceive of the possibility someone could place duty and institutional integrity over base political and personal interests.”

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The Strzok hearing damaged our democracy - The Washington Post Editorial Board (Original Post) DonViejo Jul 2018 OP
K&R, so when do we start saying Congress is no longer the organization described in Article I of the ck4829 Jul 2018 #1
I disagree with the headline. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2018 #2
Beg to differ. no_hypocrisy Jul 2018 #3
And, in response NewJeffCT Jul 2018 #5
I suspect we will survive this, as we survived J. Edgar, Tail-Gunner Joe... TreasonousBastard Jul 2018 #4
That last line is the kicker. JohnnyRingo Jul 2018 #6
Actually, it is the animus behind the GOP's convening these hearings which is damaging democracy. eppur_se_muova Jul 2018 #7
it occurred to me that these dopes actually believe their demented rhetoric Pepsidog Jul 2018 #8

ck4829

(35,077 posts)
1. K&R, so when do we start saying Congress is no longer the organization described in Article I of the
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:44 AM
Jul 2018

US Constitution?

Sure aren't fitting into it very well these days.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
2. I disagree with the headline.
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:49 AM
Jul 2018

I don't think it damaged our democracy. It further revealed the damage the GOP is doing to our democracy.

no_hypocrisy

(46,112 posts)
3. Beg to differ.
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:50 AM
Jul 2018

I watched the hearings for about 3 hours. I saw a resurgence of democracy.

How: Finally an opportunity and a forum for Democrats to protest in the strongest and articulate terms, to finally redefine the true issues. To stand up to Trey Gowdy and other Republicans who have abused their positions since the Obama administration to undermine not only the democratic party, but to also undermine democracy, to shift power and money to a select few. Yesterday, the Democrats could not be denied the microphone.

I was thrilled to see a strong pushback. Whether it will make a difference from hereonin remains uncertain.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
4. I suspect we will survive this, as we survived J. Edgar, Tail-Gunner Joe...
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 09:00 AM
Jul 2018

and an entire civil war. It may not be pretty, but we should be able to survive. And much of our survival will be due to the strength of our immigrant community.

Just for shits and giggles:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_from_the_United_States_Congress

And do a search for "Charles Sumner" (We ain't even close to that)

JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
6. That last line is the kicker.
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 11:26 AM
Jul 2018

That republicans are in disbelief that anyone would put country above political loyalty sums up today's GOP nicely.

eppur_se_muova

(36,263 posts)
7. Actually, it is the animus behind the GOP's convening these hearings which is damaging democracy.
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 11:26 AM
Jul 2018

You'd think the WaPo editorial board would word its lede more thoughtfully.

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