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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo About That Whataburger "Attack":
San Antonio police detectives nabbed Kino Jimenez, 30, without incident in nearby Universal City, Texas and booked him on a theft of person charge, according to the police department.
Bail for Jimenez was set at $5,000, police said.
The arrest came after a cell phone video surfaced on Twitter showing 16-year-old Hunter Richard being verbally abused and assaulted for wearing the bright red hat early Wednesday morning inside a San Antonio outlet of the popular Whataburger fast-food chain.
The video, which was recorded by a friend of Richard and quickly went viral in online social media, shows a bearded man throwing a drink in the teen victim's face, and then yelling "you aint supporting st" as he left the eating establishment with the hat.
The search for a suspect led San Antonio detectives from a robbery unit task force to Jimenez. If convicted, he faces a minimum sentence of 180 days in jail and a maximum sentence of two years.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/07/06/teen-maga-hat-whataburger-theft/762422002/
There's two sides to this story and do not, repeat do NOT let the right wing win when it comes to this story. So here's the flip side of this story that is going underreported and really is the far more horrifying part of this story. These fucking assholes should not be made celebrities in any way.
The witness, who asked to remain anonymous, told KENS 5 that the teens in the video joked about hanging blacks and killing off minorities before they were targeted.
They were talking about the Fourth of July hanging black people from trees that that would be the perfect party. Hopefully, with Donald Trump within the next few years, we can celebrate a white country, a real country without blacks. Maybe we can deport them to Africa, the witness told KENS 5.
They said they wanted it to be legal for white people to kill any other race for the Fourth of July, he claimed.
The witness said he led his family out of the eatery after hearing the comments, but was still surprised that the altercation ensued.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny-news-whataburger-maga-attack-20180706-story.html#
So here's what happened next:
In a sign of unrelenting fury and anger following the release of the MAGA Whataburger video, members of an internet mob seeking justice against the man seen throwing a drink at a teen at a San Antonio, Texas, fast food joint have been reportedly turning up at the wrong mans home.
Livid with the apparent transgression against the teen and the boys rights to his beliefs, members of the public had taken to releasing what they believed to be Kino Jimenezs address and phone number in the hope of inciting revenge.
Except the revenge never happened the way they had envisaged following many users on social media sharing what they believed to be Jimenezs details. Details which in the end only turned out to be the suspects brothers, who have since told KSAT that they have been unfairly targeted and that their wanted brother hasnt lived at their address in over five years.
People have been posting his old address and doxing it, but its really my address. He doesnt live here anymore, Jimenezs brother, Zeus, said. He hasnt lived here for the last five years.
https://scallywagandvagabond.com/2018/07/maga-whataburger-video-dox-wrong-address-kino-jimenez/
1. The assault wasn't cool at all and I am not OK with it. But then again, neither is discussing genocide. These fucking Nazi punks should not be made celebrities for that.
2. Doxing isn't OK either. It opens up a whole world of trouble for those that commit it and those that are victims of it.
3. The guy in question followed it up with "the libtard can have it". Fuck you.
4. Seriously though, fuck Nazis and fuck these guys.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)theft when he stole a protest sign and struck a protester who was trying to retrieve it?
Squinch
(51,018 posts)people on the Fourth of July. The REAL story here is the Nazis, wearing the MAGA hats, are terrorizing people who are minding their business and going about their days. The guy who threw the drink in their faces was entirely in the right to do so.
And how is it that the guy is being charged with FELONY theft when he only took a cheap-ass $10 hat?
Initech
(100,104 posts)The only reason it's huge news is because a MAGA hat was involved. Let's overlook the casual discussion of genocide and terrorism and blame the guy who took the MAGA hat.
Squinch
(51,018 posts)Initech
(100,104 posts)But I do have to say that if I were in this guy's position I would say something too. Fuck Nazis and fuck white supremacy.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)But the kids friend is apparently not a rump supporter. He says this guy attacked from nowhere. I think this guy acted like an asshole.
Ya know what I would do if I was a big strong guy like this man, and I heard some shit like that? Go up with my video on my phone, sit down and ask the teenagers what in hell they are thinking. Hey, just curious, you little men want to lynch my family and me?
Confront them, but ask questions. Throwing a drink and stealing their hat is wrong. It scares me that people on du think this is ok. We cannot outlaw HATS of our political opponent for gods sake. Wow, this site scares me more every day.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,621 posts)Response to Squinch (Reply #4)
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Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)In NC it wouldnt have been a felony or anything close.
Here is what I found in the TX statute:
(4)?a state jail felony if:
......
(B)?regardless of value, the property is stolen from the person of another or from a human corpse or grave, including property that is a military grave marker;
So because he grabbed the hat off his head, or from his person, its an automatic felony in Texas. Had the hat been laying on the table it would be a minor misdemeanor instead.
Interesting law. I wonder what the history on that is.
Squinch
(51,018 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)Alea
(706 posts)That this law came about as a way of being tougher on purse snatching. I can't find where I read it as I've read dozens of articles related to this event over the past few days, and I also may be completely wrong about it or read it wrong.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Trump is responsible for creating this atmosphere of hatred and racism. He has emboldened these people and made them feel like they are in the majority. They are only getting worse. I hate seeing where this country is going.
Squinch
(51,018 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)sane, competent president who was admired around the world. I just can't believe how low we have sunk in such a short period of time. What scares me is thinking about where we could be in another year in a half. I don't even want to think about it.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,199 posts)Initech
(100,104 posts)Solly Mack
(90,787 posts)He ought to count himself lucky.
Response to Solly Mack (Reply #10)
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Solly Mack
(90,787 posts)all white America, where I can legally kill people of color and loudly proclaiming all of this in a public place where people were trying to eat?
And that's all he got?
Frankly, I think people showed great restraint - those racist assholes were intentionally terrorizing people.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,621 posts)Talking about lynching people is constitutionally protected. Assault and battery is not.
Define "hate speech."
Initech
(100,104 posts)By the way, I am not in any way shape or form saying that what this guy did was OK. I can't believe that in 2018 we have people openly discussing - in public - mass murder and genocide. And then they act like it's funny, like it's some kind of joke. These things are not funny and never will be. And this never happened before Trump. Trump brought all this out in the open and he continues to do so. The holocaust didn't happen overnight, it took years and years to reach that point, and it started off the same way this is starting off.
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)Do you have proof besides a single anonymous source? Is there video or audio or even other ear-witnesses to the alleged racist comments?
Initech
(100,104 posts)If there was the stores' security cameras could confirm it if possible. But yes without concrete proof it is just a rumor.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,621 posts)I beg to differ.
For the younger DUers:
The Little Rock Nine was a group of nine African American students enrolled in Little Rock Central High School in 1957. Their enrollment was followed by the Little Rock Crisis, in which the students were initially prevented from entering the racially segregated school by Orval Faubus, the Governor of Arkansas. They then attended after the intervention of President Dwight D. Eisenhower.
tenderfoot
(8,438 posts)BeBest
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,621 posts)Just to clarify, do I get the money?
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)Who, strangely, took his story to a TV station but not the police. Also, these kids were supposedly loud enough to be heard across the dining room by this guy yet none of the crew who were mere feet away hear anything of the sort.
Calling bullshit until there's independent corroboration.
egduj
(806 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)this and a media trying to make the hateful trump snowflakes victims, we just have to keep fighting the lies and the hate of the NPA aka GOP and trump enabling. Jimenez is not the perp, he is a part of a culture victimized by these Nazi brownshirts. White people by and large don't have minorities in their face shouting about how genocide will take care of their racist hatefulness. Like these punks were doing talking of lynching POC, AA especially. So all not ok with attack, your righ to feel that way.
Sometimes punching a mofo in the face is all they understand. I did it in the army and his friends stayed away or tried to distance themselves from their nword using 'leader'. Saying I don't really feel that way, yada, yada, yada . AND YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I did feel better puttng that racist punk down.
Everyone knows the deplorabl's are a protected species soon to be endangered as a species of earthly low life animal. That's all they are, ANIMALS. Hopefully they become extinct soon. Lord know having to deal with this trash for generations gets tiring. But carry on I must.
underpants
(182,901 posts)juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)radius777
(3,635 posts)The witness statement is very detailed and believable... plus no 'normal' kids would be walking around with a MAGA hat.. clearly white nationalist punks in pre-Dylan Roof mode.
And of course a MoC who responds in a very mild fashion gets charged with a felony and has his life destroyed... the KKKops sure had time to get right on the theft of a cheap hat.