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Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts) Sat Jun 30, 2018, 06:27 PM Jun 2018

ICE was created as part of the post-9/11 Homeland Security Act

so it surprises me that calls to ABOLISH ICE are so controversial on such a website as this.

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ICE was created as part of the post-9/11 Homeland Security Act (Original Post) Cal Carpenter Jun 2018 OP

Before ICE there was INS under DOJ. nycbos Jun 2018 #1

there's no problem with having a law enforcement organization for immigration. shanny Jun 2018 #2

Yeah it's like "We need a police force so we can't possibly abolish the Gestapo" Cal Carpenter Jun 2018 #3

Agreed 100% nycbos Jun 2018 #5

I must have missed the part where people are planning to Cal Carpenter Jun 2018 #8

Redundancy in police and military branches Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #6

Lets restrict Matthew28 Jun 2018 #4

How's about Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #7

nycbos

(6,034 posts)

1. Before ICE there was INS under DOJ.

Reply to Cal Carpenter (Original post)

Sat Jun 30, 2018, 06:34 PM

Jun 2018

There is always going to be a law enforcement organization for immigration.

shanny

(6,709 posts)

2. there's no problem with having a law enforcement organization for immigration.

Reply to nycbos (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 30, 2018, 06:42 PM

Jun 2018

the problem lies with having one predisposed ("Homeland Security" ) to view every immigrant as a possible terrorist. add in the trumpies predilection for racism and the problem gets magnified a 100-fold.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)

3. Yeah it's like "We need a police force so we can't possibly abolish the Gestapo"

Reply to shanny (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 30, 2018, 06:48 PM

Jun 2018

nycbos

(6,034 posts)

5. Agreed 100%

Reply to shanny (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 30, 2018, 06:49 PM

Jun 2018

But if we say abolish ICE every commercial between now and November will be Dems want open borders and some of the voters that we are going to need aren't smart enough to know what lies are.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)

8. I must have missed the part where people are planning to

Reply to nycbos (Reply #5)

Sat Jun 30, 2018, 07:12 PM

Jun 2018

to say "Abolish ICE" in every commercial between now and November....

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)

6. Redundancy in police and military branches

Reply to nycbos (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 30, 2018, 07:06 PM

Jun 2018

is purely political. Just a job creator for veterans etc. INS worked just fine.

Matthew28

(1,798 posts)

4. Lets restrict

Reply to Cal Carpenter (Original post)

Sat Jun 30, 2018, 06:48 PM

Jun 2018

what it can do to people...I don't think it will play well with the brainless voter if we run on abolishing border control....Trump will just say that we're for open borders and that will hurt democrats.
No, we must focus on the violation of human rights and not fall into trumps trap.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)

7. How's about

Reply to Matthew28 (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 30, 2018, 07:07 PM

Jun 2018

the ever popular....de-fund it through congress?

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