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Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
1. Good Friend,the numbers are way north of that.
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 01:35 PM
Jun 2018

somewhere between 4k and 6k plus. This as per NBC last night.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
3. I had a feeling those numbers were higher than Trump admin and media were reporting.
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 01:53 PM
Jun 2018

They just weren’t adding up.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
5. Maddow seems to have the real raw numbers.
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 02:04 PM
Jun 2018

Last night,Wine-Banks said the same numbers were most likely real. She also said this,Trump is now scared shitless of his decision . He knows he can not control the Narrative. And it sure looks like his Fox News people have pulled out all the stops in order to try and Mitigate the damage.

Watch his poll numbers to go down mega this week.

IggleDuer

(964 posts)
6. And how many of them will remember what we did to them and react ....
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 02:44 PM
Jun 2018

... by joining MS-13, ISIS or the enemies of our future? Thanks, Trump!

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
8. There are two different sets of numbers. Both are accurate
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 03:31 PM
Jun 2018

The 10,000+ is all unaccompanied minors.

The vast majority of those are ones who crossed the border alone or requested asylum at a border checkpoint alone.

Those have all be placed in these shelters as a matter of policy well before Trump.

The 2000+ number is the number of those that were turned into unaccompanied minors when their parents were arrested instead of being released on parole to appear later at a civil immigration hearing.

So both numbers are accurate. It just depends on what you are counting.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
9. Correct but under President Obama those that arrived
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 03:39 PM
Jun 2018

Unaccompanied were quickly released if they had responsible family members here (most did) and the others were placed in foster homes.

I don't think that is happening now.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
10. Relatives yes. Foster homes not so much
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 04:12 PM
Jun 2018

The numbers of truly unaccompanied minors was about the same, overall.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
11. The numbers of truly unaccompanied were not the same overall at all, they spiked significantly
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 06:02 PM
Jun 2018

There was a huge spike in 2014 and 2015 almost all from Honduras and El Salvador to join family members who had Temporary Protection Status.

2011 16,067
2012 24,481
2013 38,333
2014 47,017
2015 50,000 est

Brookings estimates that 90% were released to family members and 10% went into licensed foster care, none were kept long term under President Obama.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2014/07/02/the-surge-in-unaccompanied-children-from-central-america-a-humanitarian-crisis-at-our-border/

They were released and given a date to return for immigration court and about 95% of them kept that date under President Obama.

Most of these children were relatives of some of the 350,000 who were living with Temporary Protection Status. Once Trump started cancelling their right to be here they stopped coming to court.


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