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kentuck

(111,102 posts)
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 12:27 PM Jun 2018

How is it possible to have such a strong Constitution as America...?

...and still be unable to stop the destructive and unwise decisions of the Executive?

Donald Trump made deals with North Korea that no one else in our government knew about, There was no advise and consent. He unilaterally decided to stop military maneuvers with South Korea to appease the North Korean dictator, Kim Jong Un.

Now he is headed to Russia to talk with the dictator Putin. There are some in Washington wringing their hands and sweating about what kind of "deal" the dear Leader might make with Putin?

If our Constitution is so strong and powerful, how does one person have so much power with no oversight or control??

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How is it possible to have such a strong Constitution as America...? (Original Post) kentuck Jun 2018 OP
It's not the Constitution that keeps us marylandblue Jun 2018 #1
Checks and balances only work when one party doesn't control... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2018 #2
actually qazplm135 Jun 2018 #12
It is simply H2O Man Jun 2018 #3
I completely agree. n/t Pobeka Jun 2018 #7
exactly spanone Jun 2018 #13
BINGO n/t kacekwl Jun 2018 #22
what happened was DonCoquixote Jun 2018 #4
The framers never anticipated a narcissistic asshole like Trump. lpbk2713 Jun 2018 #5
Or a legislature composed of the worst of the worst. Dave Starsky Jun 2018 #10
So true. lpbk2713 Jun 2018 #14
Actually just the opposite. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #18
Alexander Hamilton did DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2018 #19
Yes they did, just not a totally complicit congress. Ryan & McConnell have NOT gotten the scrutiny uponit7771 Jun 2018 #24
There are just too many people who only seem to appreciate the 2nd amendment logosoco Jun 2018 #6
If the politicians don't take the Constitution seriously it has no power. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2018 #8
Not "strong and powerful" at all........ suston96 Jun 2018 #9
The US Constitution is not that strong and is in fact probably fatally flawed Spider Jerusalem Jun 2018 #11
I reject the premise. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #15
well, we now know it really isn't particularly strong...not strong enough, anyway NRaleighLiberal Jun 2018 #16
The USSR had a great constitution DavidDvorkin Jun 2018 #17
The republic created by the founders does not work..... suston96 Jun 2018 #20
The constitution never took into consideration that the congress would NOT stop a criminal president onecaliberal Jun 2018 #21
YEP . n/t kacekwl Jun 2018 #23

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
1. It's not the Constitution that keeps us
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 12:31 PM
Jun 2018

It's the democratic norms we have built over centuries. See the book "How Democracies Die."

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
2. Checks and balances only work when one party doesn't control...
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 12:32 PM
Jun 2018

Checks and balances only work when one party doesn't control all the levers of government. The Constitution was designed to protect the liberty interests of the individual. It is flailing.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
12. actually
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 12:47 PM
Jun 2018

it was designed to give the federal government more power while making sure the States had some protection.
It cared less than you think about individual rights. That's why the states could and did routinely crap on them until selective incorporation of the BOR happened.

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
3. It is simply
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 12:32 PM
Jun 2018

because the legislative branch refuses to do its constitutional duty of oversight. The current congress is controlled by republicans who have little or no respect for the Constitution.

Recommended.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
4. what happened was
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 12:32 PM
Jun 2018

AS rich as the founding fathers were, they did not foresee the rise of corporate power. The only major corporation was the Hudson's Bay company, which was very much controlled by the British Crown. The idea that some people could be so rich that they become nation states unto themselves was folly, but it is the reality now.

There are many that would gladly rip out this amendment or that, but the main reason to update the constitution is because most governments have devolved into gangsters and pirates. If we do not limit corporate power (such as trashing Citizens United) any democracy will be a pretense, here or in Beijing.

lpbk2713

(42,759 posts)
5. The framers never anticipated a narcissistic asshole like Trump.
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 12:37 PM
Jun 2018



They expected the people would nominate someone with honor and integrity to
run for the highest office in the land. They had good intentions but they never
expected what we are dealing with today.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
10. Or a legislature composed of the worst of the worst.
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 12:43 PM
Jun 2018

Honor, honesty, and integrity were valued back in the day. Now those traits are considered the weaknesses of "cucks".

Voltaire2

(13,061 posts)
18. Actually just the opposite.
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 01:02 PM
Jun 2018

Based on the history of the Roman Republic, the founders were totally against popular rule and instead expected that rich educated white men woukd choose wise rulers.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
24. Yes they did, just not a totally complicit congress. Ryan & McConnell have NOT gotten the scrutiny
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 05:39 PM
Jun 2018

... they deserve

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
6. There are just too many people who only seem to appreciate the 2nd amendment
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 12:39 PM
Jun 2018

and they don't even try to understand the rest of it. Just like many folks do with the bible.

They don't understand how important it is to have that checks and balance government.

For the past year or so (how long has it been? Feels like a decade but I know that's not so!) it has been my "faith" in the Constitution that has kept me feeling somewhat positive, but that faith is getting very, very small. The dems in Congress really need to be making a HUGE stink right now (and they can do it "civilly" if they want). It feels very much like there is nothing left to lose now, so they really need to just go all in.

The media does need to do their part, too. We need headlines that scream about the lies and the story that explains the facts in an easy to understand way, because too many voters don't seem to understand things that they THINK don't affect them.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,732 posts)
8. If the politicians don't take the Constitution seriously it has no power.
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 12:41 PM
Jun 2018

It was written with the underlying hope that at least most people in the government would abide by both its terms and its spirit. Unfortunately we not have a president that couldn't care less about what the Constitution says and a majority party who are happy to let the president ignore the Constitution as long as supporting him keeps them in control.

suston96

(4,175 posts)
9. Not "strong and powerful" at all........
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 12:42 PM
Jun 2018

It is or was only a framework expected to be fleshed out by descendants.

There were and are no remedies for the expected partisan controls that almost immediately overwhelmed the new republic.

Benjamin Franklin was asked by a lady as he exited the covention hall In 1787:

"What kind of a government have you given us, Doctor Franklin?"

"A republic, madam! If you can keep it."

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
11. The US Constitution is not that strong and is in fact probably fatally flawed
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 12:44 PM
Jun 2018

in ways that have only now become obvious (the electoral college allowing the election of a president who lost the popular vote, disproportionate representation in the Senate which means that states with 34% of the population control a majority of the votes, etc).

Voltaire2

(13,061 posts)
15. I reject the premise.
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 01:00 PM
Jun 2018

The constitution is deeply flawed.

Among its many flaws: the executive is essentially a dictator with a time limit. The constraints on the executive are indirect: the judiciary can override executive orders, the legislature can impeach.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,015 posts)
16. well, we now know it really isn't particularly strong...not strong enough, anyway
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 01:00 PM
Jun 2018

not in this particular climate

suston96

(4,175 posts)
20. The republic created by the founders does not work.....
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 01:25 PM
Jun 2018

It can too easily be conflicted by forces determined to block or dilute the people's choices.

TIme to fix or replace this form of government which has suffered a serious corruption of its electoral process, it's basic and vital foundation of power.

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