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Petition to get NYU to remove Chick-Fil-A from their campus (Original Post) PBass Aug 2012 OP
Change.org link fixed.... (NT) PBass Aug 2012 #1
NYU Chick Gigabiting Aug 2012 #2
I knew about Domino’s Pizza... AsahinaKimi Aug 2012 #3
On what grounds? jp11 Aug 2012 #4
Separate grounds? earthside Aug 2012 #5
Oh my! 99Forever Aug 2012 #9
I agree but think that the most 'punishment' jp11 Aug 2012 #10
So We the People need your fucking permission to... 99Forever Aug 2012 #8
Yes, that is exactly what I was saying and asking when I inquired what the grounds of the jp11 Aug 2012 #11
You didn't provide a link... 99Forever Aug 2012 #12
Signed, kicked and rec'ed. Thanks for posting. n/t Smarmie Doofus Aug 2012 #6
just dont patonize them dembotoz Aug 2012 #7
Shameless Bump... this isn't just about disagreeing over Gay Marriage PBass Aug 2012 #13

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
3. I knew about Domino’s Pizza...
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 08:53 AM
Aug 2012

I would never, ever in a hundred million years, buy pizza from them, even if they were the last pizza place on earth.

jp11

(2,104 posts)
4. On what grounds?
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 08:53 AM
Aug 2012

Or is it enough that the parent company uses their money to fund something that isn't liked?

Is this restaurant a franchise?

Are there any allegations or documentations of anti labor behavior such as discrimination against gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender people working at this location?

Have any LGBT people been refused service or otherwise told they were not welcome in this location?

I don't approve of the parent company funding a message of hate but I don't see how punishing this business fixes that unless we are saying it is okay to persecute businesses for things that are legal but we don't like. Boycotting them is fine trying to chase them out when they've done nothing wrong/illegal is not.

There are numerous other examples of private institutions being bigoted or supporting hate messages that are not chased out of town, many religious organizations are anti- someone, plenty of business are anti- american workers, poor, middle class, etc.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
5. Separate grounds?
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 09:14 AM
Aug 2012

I am getting increasingly uncomfortable with the boycott mentality against every business and/or organization with which "we" don't like or disagree.

This is a presidential election year and passions are running higher than usual, but one would hope that would make liberals/progressives strive to be more rationale than the totally emotive crazies on the other side.

Without evidence or reports of discrimination against customers or employees, I tend to agree that boycotts or petitions to close down a business are not necessarily a helpful avenue for progressive causes. Ask -- is the company itself, in its daily activities, doing damage to people, the environment, to American jobs, to public health, etc.?

In the current political environment, what we are getting is the conservatives beginning to find their own targets for boycott.

Are we going down the road of one set of business for liberals and progressives to patronize and another set of businesses for conservatives and Tea Partiers to patronize?

How much division and separation are we willing to promote in this country?

Sad to say, I think this Chikfila thing has been largely a 'persuasion' debacle for gay rights. The idea of petitioning to have a store thrown off the campus -- without the information asked about who owns the franchise, etc. -- strikes me as a kind of knee-jerk liberalism.

jp11

(2,104 posts)
10. I agree but think that the most 'punishment'
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 10:36 AM
Aug 2012

one can do to a business one doesn't like or agree with for whatever reason is a boycott. I don't necessarily mean the kind of let's all call on eachother through shame and peer pressure to punish this corporation but simply the individual customer exercising their right to not patronize a business. It simply is really the only way short of media shame that spurs financial loss from boycotts or other businesses ending or refusing further relationships with that company.

In reality if we all boycotted everything we didn't agree with we'd have to tear apart modern civilization and all become 'mountain people' living off the land and even then we'd have to trade with people who wouldn't all agree with us or support our government through taxes which then get diverted to things we don't like or agree with.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
8. So We the People need your fucking permission to...
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 09:56 AM
Aug 2012

... work against bigotry in EVERY way we can?

Really?


That's an interesting idea. Where should we submit our views for you prior approval?



jp11

(2,104 posts)
11. Yes, that is exactly what I was saying and asking when I inquired what the grounds of the
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 10:40 AM
Aug 2012

petition were since the OP neglects to make any position about why it needs to go just links to two different petitions to do so.

Perhaps one might want to think about what it means to kick out businesses that in some way supports or works against things we don't like. Then about how that might work against you when set the standard that it is okay to boot out legitimate businesses that have committed no crimes or violated any laws.

Thank you for your typical DU 'jump to conclusions' emotional condescending response.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
12. You didn't provide a link...
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 10:48 AM
Aug 2012

.. for people to submit their ideas for your approval. How can we know what to do if you don't tell us?

PBass

(1,537 posts)
13. Shameless Bump... this isn't just about disagreeing over Gay Marriage
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 05:08 AM
Aug 2012

Chick Fil A donates millions of dollars to groups like Exodus (the gay deprogrammers/liars), Eagle Forum (Phyllis Schlafly's group, they want to criminalize homosexuality) and other similar groups who fight against Gay Marriage, Civil Unions, Hate Crime laws, employemet protection, equal rights legislation, and other fundamental rights that homosexuals are still fighting to establish in some parts of America.

This isn't two sides having an honest disagreement about values -- this is one side actively working (behind the scenes) for the criminalization or elimination of the other side.

Also, consider this. I think Ted Nugent is a big idiot, but I don't want to censor him. But on the other hand, I would object if NYU wanted to fly him into New York to put on a concert for their students. THAT'S basically what is happening with Chick Fil A though. NYU has set aside incredibly expensive, lucrative retail space where Chick-Fil-A has unfettered access to the wealthy NYU student body (the restaurant is inside a dorm building if I recall). Chick Fil-A is making a mint off of NYU students, with the approval of the NYU administration. It doesn't have to be that way, NYU could rent that space to ANYBODY. Just like if they wanted to present a music concert, they could find other people besides Ted Nugent.

I'm sure that many people might agree that a HOOTERS or HEART ATTACK GRILL should not be in that NYU retail space. A Chick-Fil-A store doesn't belong there either, IMO.

Please sign the petition!

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