Joe needs a smackdown... Obama did not have a Democratic filibuster proof Congress for 2 years!!!

[Tennessee Gal]

Last edited Mon Aug 6, 2012, 07:21 AM - Edit history (1)

Joe says that almost every morning and the other dolts say nothing to correct him. That was only true for about 60 days because of Kennedy and Byrd being ill and because Al Franken had not yet been seated!

[rfranklin]

1. Anyone have a good link for that?

I would like to keep it handy to rebut that lie.

[Tennessee Gal]

2. Yes.

http://blog.reidreport.com/2011/07/myth-of-progressive-majority/

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/did-the-democrats-ever-really-have-60-votes-in-the-senate-and-for-how-long/

This one may be the best: http://www.thepragmaticpundit.com/2011/12/obama-did-not-control-congress-for-two.html

[hobbit709]

3. I refuse to have a good cup of coffee ruined by listening to Joe Dead Intern.

[joeybee12]

4. Yeah, he did...did you mean Joe said he didn't

have a 60 majority in the Senate? Both the House and Congress were Dem for the first 2 years.

[Tennessee Gal]

5. He did not have a filibuster proof majority for two years.

He had it for a total of about 60 days.

Joe says he could have had anything he wanted in the first two years. He could not.

[joeybee12]

9. Just clarifying...your OP said he didn't have a Dem congress...

He did...a filibuster proof majority is another thing....you're right, he didn't have that for long.

[Tennessee Gal]

11. Yes, and thank you.

I edited the title to say filibuster proof.

[banned from Kos]

6. Franken wasn't seated until mid-summer 2009 and then Kennedy and Byrd died

the window was short where 60 (D) votes were concerned.

Joe is full of shit.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

15. Tim Johnson (SD) was out of commission. Byrd hadn't yet died, but he was always sick.

[Ineeda]

19. I thought Johnson was okay during that time.

According to Wiki, he was. "On February 15, 2007 Johnson marked his return to Senate work by co-sponsoring his first piece of legislation since his illness, the Emergency Farm Relief Act of 2007.[16], Johnson returned to his full schedule in the Senate on September 5, 2007 to both tributes and standing ovations.[17] His speech, although much improved, continues to be affected by his stroke."

But still, Killer Joe is wrong.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

36. Thanks for this. I thought he was still out for a time--well, in and out...

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

17. But even with a majority, there were Blue Dog Democrats who went along with Republicans

on most anything. So, yes, there was a Democratic majority for two years, but:

1. Republicans invoked the filibuster, need 60 for cloture
2. Cowardly Democrats went along with Republicans on major legislation (for instance, demanding more tax cuts in the stimulus package).

So, either way it goes, nothing much could get done in the Senate. Most legislation came out of the House, thanks to Nancy Pelosi and the brave men and women serving in the House majority.

[AlbertCat]

25. there were Blue Dog Democrats who went along with Republicans

Not to mention 2 Independents.... who are not Dems, they are, well Independents.

[Bluenorthwest]

28. Two independents went along with the Republicans? No, one did, Lieberman

Bernie Sanders does not side with Republicans.

[AlbertCat]

30. Bernie Sanders does not side with Republicans.

Still....he's not a Democrat.... so there was not a filibuster-proof DEM majority.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

37. Yep. Forgot to mention the so-called "Independents." The "cowardly democrats" were the

Blue Dogs.

[uponit7771]

39. This statement is not true, regards

[One of the 99]

7. Joe makes a lot of false statements every morning.

How the powers that be allow him to go on the air every morning to lie is unbelievalbe.

[malaise]

10. Ding ding we have a winner

Today they disgust me - they have no time for the slaughter of the Sikhs and the domestic terrorist.

[winstars]

14. They are too busy try to push the 8.3 jobs report, which is a dead (sorry Joey) issue at this point.

Because they don't actually read or prepare for the show, many times they are still on yesterdays talking points. You can tell from the ladykiler what todays 'pug points are supposed be but in general they are ill-informed and just plain lazy and it shows big time ...

Today was a typically stupid show, they have 3 'kin HOURS to talk about what is about to be a huge huge story after the press conference later: that the shooter in WI was a ex army white power nut who maybe killed 6 people thinking they were Muslims!!! Instead, they barely mention it in between Olympic news and the VP sweepstakes bullshit.

Or maybe the got the word that the white boy shooter story is gonna get squashed, after all the victims were not "real Americans"... Today will be very telling about the current state of the MSM...

BTW, Nicky Haley and 'Lil Bobby Jindal are not going to be happy defending the NRA position on this one are they???

[Atman]

20. CNN is covering it quite extensively.

Lately CNN has been destroying Joe in terms of "news" in the morning. They go in depth, they spend time on a story, they don't just have the same four or five "guests" every day spouting the party line. You can they're trying to regain some respectability. Meanwhile, Morning Joe becomes increasingly irrelevant.

[One of the 99]

27. Joe's job is to push GOP talking points

That's all he does. When someone comes on and disputes his BS, he goes nuts. Why NBC lets him get away with it is a mystery.

[hobbit709]

8. He never had a filibuster proof Senate-too damn many blue dogs.

[NNN0LHI]

12. Sad part is I see that same lie repeated around here regularly

[Tennessee Gal]

13. When I see it, I attempt to correct it. nt

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

18. It drives me up the fucking wall, but we must correct people when they say it.

I hear the most liberal of liberals making this same mistake, and it's only because they're not corrected.

[Tarheel_Dem]

33. Exactly. I was in a discussion with one just the other day, who made the same claim as Joe. nt

[uponit7771]

40. +1

[The Wizard]

16. Lieberman, Nelson, Landreau, Lincoln,

may have caucused with the Democrats but they voted with the Republicans. Morning Jerkoff is a liar who some say killed an intern in his office.

[Firebrand Gary]

26. [phone]

[marew]

21. How anyone can listen to Joe the schmo is beyond me!

He reminds me of someone who just likes to hear the sound of his own voice! He comes across with this pseudo authoritarian air yet he is incapable of anything that is insightful. To say this dude is not a deep thinker is an understatement! How the heck did he ever get his own show?

[HughBeaumont]

22. Obama's Congress never went outside the range of Third Way Worthless to Repug Regressive.

"Democrat" does not always equal "Liberal".

[woo me with science]

24. Yes, most of the Congress is Third Way or Republican.

So is the President Third Way. Frankly, I don't get the point of these OP's, which seem to want to argue, ridiculously, that the President is some kind of thwarted liberal.

[Tarheel_Dem]

34. Well, if the OP actually said, what you say she said, you might have a point. But, as usual.....

[woo me with science]

35. Here we go again.

As usual, indeed...

[JaneQPublic]

29. We would have the Public Option now, if Joe were right.

Of course, he isn't, but if he took time to think it through, he'd realize that if we had a filibuster-proof majority, the Health Insurance bill would have included the Public Option, which is what Obama really wanted from the start, but instead he had to water it down considerably just to get Olympia Snow's vote.

And by the way, the Health Insurance package would have passed immediately, rather than dragging on for months the way it did.

I swear, the GOPers do this rewriting history stuff on a regular basis, apparently because they believe most Americans are too stupid to know the truth.

[Zoeisright]

31. Hey Morning Joke, how about that dead intern in your office?

Huh?

[LiberalAndProud]

32. Fillibuster proof. Now that's funny.

Ben Nelson will back GOP filibuster
Feb 8, 2010
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/32705.html

Ben Nelson threatens filibuster
November 19, 2009

Ben Nelson threatens filibuster
Democratic Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) said Thursday that he would prevent health reform from moving to final passage if restrictions on federal funding for abortion weren’t tightened during the amendment process. But, he added, “there are a lot of other things that could keep me from supporting it in the end as well.
http://www.politico.com/livepulse/1109/Ben_Nelson_threatens_filibuster_.html

April 26, 2010 02:50 PM
http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/breaking-ben-nelson-votes-finreg-filibuster
Breaking: Ben Nelson votes for FinReg filibuster with his Republican buddies

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/14/ben-nelson-tougher-on-oba_n_203447.html
The president's nominees, especially to the Supreme Court, deserve an up-or-down vote," he said of the nominating process, "even if the nominee isn't popular with the special-interest groups in Washington."

Indeed, Nelson voted for cloture twice on former U.N. Ambassador John Bolton and once for former EPA Administrator Stephen Johnson.

He backed the nominations of Samuel Alito and John Roberts to the Supreme Court, as well as John Ashcroft and Alberto Gonzales to the Attorney General post.

[spanone]

38. joe just needs to go home to faux.