Enough with the negativity - look at the polling on Roe v Wade

[realmirage]

Last edited Thu Jun 28, 2018, 04:22 PM - Edit history (1)

Ok let me edit this again since people are missing the point. The great majority of voters have assumed for years that despite all the talk, Roe v Wade is not in any real danger. Once it starts to set in that it is, there is probably going to be a very big response in the elections. That doesn't mean it will be enough to stop the overturning of Roe v Wade. When the judges are appointed, what's done is done. What I'm saying is that currently, in case you haven't noticed, the Democratic Party has ZERO power and damage is being done daily on a range of issues. This Roe issue is probably a third rail you don't ever touch. The Republican Party is touching it. The polling shows that is a very unpopular thing to do. The panic that women OF BOTH PARTIES will experience when this becomes a real possibility could pull the rug out of the GOP in the elections for years to come. You don't think women feel passionately about this on very personal level? Republican women included? I'm not pulling this out of my ass. Look at the numbers yourself.

The Supreme Court issue was decided when Trump got elected. What we have to do is start looking at what comes next. The pendulum always swings back, and this issue could make it swing back much faster and with a lot more force in favor of the Democrats, which, again, don't currently have shit. If Republicans had left this issue alone they might have ruled a lot longer. This could bring about their swift demise.

Look at the breakdown among REPUBLICAN voters in the CBS News poll. 61% support access to abortion.



http://pollingreport.com/abortion.htm

[FSogol]

1. Ever seen the polling on prohibition? Legislation can be forced on us. n/t

[realmirage]

4. That's not the point

The point is that the Democratic Party could very easily take back the government and reverse the damage on a range of issues. If, worst case scenario, Roe is overturned, it could destroy the Republican Party for a generation. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

[FSogol]

7. It would be better to protect our rights rather than to try and get them back. n/t

[Floyd R. Turbo]

2. Do you really think minority groups like racists and bigots could elect a sociopath President?

[OliverQ]

3. Since when do polls matter to these people?

A minority is currently destroying the country with no consequences. A minority can get Roe overturned too.

[realmirage]

16. The point isn't about the fate of Roe, it's about what comes next

in the elections as a result

[Bettie]

5. That assumes that there are Republicans in congress

who care what their constituents actually want.

There aren't.

[Hekate]

6. Look at their legislative victories in nearly every state. Some history here...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10799930

[sinkingfeeling]

8. Look at the polls on immigration/DACA? Polls Don't mean a damn thing.

[realmirage]

10. Immigration is not on the same level as Roe v Wade for Americans

Roe v Wade affects nearly every family in America. It affects women in a very personal way. This will get a much stronger response than immigration.

[sinkingfeeling]

32. Disagree. 80% want DACA to continue compared to 69% favoring Roe v Wade.

http://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm



http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/01/03/about-seven-in-ten-americans-oppose-overturning-roe-v-wade/

[anarch]

9. that's the thing...the fascists don't care about public opinion

beyond the point where they can rile up enough support from fanatics to force their agenda on everyone. That's why they like heavy-handed law enforcement, locking people up who disagree with them, etc.

[realmirage]

12. I'm talking about how voters will respond in the elections

[anarch]

13. sure, we can hope....GOTV! n/t

[realmirage]

25. Indeed : )

[COLGATE4]

11. If Roe v Wade falls

there are 18 states that have varying types of legislation already on their books sevet trely restricting a woman's right to choose and which will automatically become effective. The anti-choicers haven't wasted their time. They've been working like termites, undermining the legal framework which has supported the right to choose, just waiting for the one triggering event. And that event may not be far off.

[realmirage]

14. Ok, but that's not the point. The point is to ask yourself

what the repercussions will be in the elections, and how it will strengthen the Democratic Party which currently has zero power

[COLGATE4]

15. Unfortunately, I doubt that there will be the repercussions you anticipate.

Two weeks of horrible press, demonstrations here and there and, after 15 days or so, business as usual.

[realmirage]

17. I'm cynical, but not that cynical

I think when you start to see the panic set in among female voters when they start to think Roe is in real danger, you're going to see the effect of that in the elections.

[StinkyPete]

20. No way Roe v Wade is overturned. We're not fighting 60's battles again.

Although I could maybe see Trump waiting 2 years, get re-elected, and then go balls out to turn Roe/Wade.

Yikes.

[realmirage]

24. I agree. I don't think it's assured that Roe v Wade is done.

In the meantime, the fear that it might be could bring a massive blue wave.

[TNLib]

18. It doesn't matter what the polling says, 37% of Americans approval of Trump

At this point a minority of people are calling the shots and they don't give a rats ass about the rest of America.

[shanny]

19. Could be a case of the dog that caught the car. nt

[realmirage]

23. Exactly shanny. That's what Democrats should be looking at. What comes next?

[workinclasszero]

21. Percentage of americans that favor legal cannabis..61%

About six-in-ten Americans support marijuana legalization
BY ABIGAIL GEIGER JANUARY 5, 2018

About six-in-ten Americans (61%) say the use of marijuana should be legalized, reflecting a steady increase over the past decade, according to a Pew Research Center survey.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/05/americans-support-marijuana-legalization/


HITLER COMES TO POWER

In the 1932 elections, the Nazis won 33 percent of the votes, more than any other party. In January 1933 Hitler was appointed chancellor, the head of the German government, and many Germans believed that they had found a savior for their nation.

https://www.ushmm.org/outreach/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007671

[realmirage]

22. Pot legalization

is spreading rapidly. My state of NM is likely to legalize it within a year. So the polling on that is consistent with what's happening in government.

Germany had a different system, and that was a different situation. World War I had crippled their economy, they felt humiliated by the loss, they had lost large amounts of territory, and the Allied powers were crushing Germany with reparations. I don't see any parallels there to today's America. Other than there will always be stupid people. But history always rights itself, and the most horrible events are the exception, not the rule.

[workinclasszero]

26. I was just pointing out the fact that most americans want legal pot

and I can go to prison today for it, in my redstate.

Also the fact that Hitler was elected by just 33% of German votes to start his bloody holocaust and plunge the world into WW2.

[realmirage]

29. Well the red states will always be behind the times

sadly : (

It is scary that Hitler made so much out of such little support, but like I said that was a different time and place. I'm not worried about that. Yet.

[greymattermom]

27. So the big thing about Roe

will be the penalty imposed on a woman who has an abortion. Life in prison? Death penalty? Pro-life or anti-woman?

[LonePirate]

28. Polling on the issue is irrelevant. Pence & the evangelicals in charge want Roe eliminated.

They are now in a position to do just that. They do not give a damn about public opinion. Overturning Roe is the Holy Grail for those extremists. NOTHING else matters to them.

[realmirage]

30. And what do you think the response will be at the voting booth

when it starts to look like it could happen? Especially among women voters?

[LonePirate]

31. It is too late to matter. The new justice will be seated before October.

[redstatebluegirl]

33. The anti abortion nuts are bullies.

They scream so loud and condone violence it appears there are more of them.