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Music Man

(1,184 posts)
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 03:10 PM Jun 2018

What was the single most important turning point in history that led us to this moment?

I have been thinking a lot lately about the most consequential factor that led us to a Trump presidency and a significant portion of our populace that willfully accepts lies. Every time I think of something, it calls to mind something else that came before it. In reverse chronological order:

*The advent of social media and its penchant for tribalization and the potential for fake news.
*The obstructionism of Mitch McConnell that made Obama's presidency less-than-effective in voter's eyes, and lies about Obama's policies that gave rise to the phony Tea Party movement
*The nomination of Sarah Palin for Vice President, which opened the door to other less-than-serious candidacies
*The Citizens United decision that poured millions of dollars from special interests into the process
*The Bush v. Gore decision and the several years of solid rule by Republicans in state legislatures, governorships, and the courts
*The rise of talk radio and Fox News
*The Gingrich revolution of 1994 that brought a new level of nastiness to politics, demonization of liberals, and years of attention spent on Clinton scandals
*Clinton Third Way policies and a new Democratic Party that aligned itself with Wall Street bankers and big donors and sought to move away from the New Deal Democratic Party
*Ronald Reagan's election in 1980, bringing decades of Reagan worship and a new ethic of selfishness and hatred of government.
*The Southern Strategy of Nixon and Goldwater in the 1960s

I think we have to go all the way back to the Southern Strategy to find the seed of our situation. I believe even Reagan wouldn't be possible without it. It exploited racial divisions, created a new electoral map, and fostered a mistrust of federal programs designed for the poor (to the point where poor white people will vote against their interests because they think black people are abusing aid programs). If I had a time travelling DeLorean and one stop to make, the decisions made by Republicans in the mid-to-late 1960s would be my choice to stop.

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What was the single most important turning point in history that led us to this moment? (Original Post) Music Man Jun 2018 OP
Court ruling giving Bush the white house. Wellstone ruled Jun 2018 #1
That onecaliberal Jun 2018 #23
Yes. This. The forces behind selecting Bush though are the same... brush Jun 2018 #42
This was it Meowmee Jun 2018 #46
Democrats sitting out the 2014 midterms. n/t FSogol Jun 2018 #2
The birth of Fox News ego_nation Jun 2018 #3
Reagan dismantling the 'Fairness Doctrine'... SeattleVet Jun 2018 #4
Agreed- hate radio would be impossible to sustain YessirAtsaFact Jun 2018 #8
This sure added to it....... a kennedy Jun 2018 #13
The Fairness Doctrine irisblue Jun 2018 #15
I think this is where things got exponentially worse Va Lefty Jun 2018 #32
Yep. dalton99a Jun 2018 #65
The modern day Pandora's Box. The internet. MrsCoffee Jun 2018 #5
CU, without it the Russians can't fund NRA who's admitted to taking money from Russians(link) uponit7771 Jun 2018 #6
Ford Pardons Nixon BBG Jun 2018 #7
This lesson led directly into Iran Contra genxlib Jun 2018 #10
I would add the assassination of 2 Kennedys and MLK genxlib Jun 2018 #9
I think it started with the assassinations too. shraby Jun 2018 #17
The assassination explosion zipplewrath Jun 2018 #25
Kennedy assassination volstork Jun 2018 #11
Not prosecuting Bush/Cheney for war crimes n/t leftstreet Jun 2018 #12
the Lewis Powell Memo / Manifesto circa 1970 shanny Jun 2018 #14
Here ya go GusBob Jun 2018 #31
Make it a third vote for the Powell Manifesto. Efilroft Sul Jun 2018 #43
Certainly an honorable mention for them both shanny Jun 2018 #68
THIS IS IT!!! pangaia Jun 2018 #60
I used to consider "think tanks" benign. shanny Jun 2018 #69
The Fundamentalist Takeover of the Southern Baptist Convention FiveGoodMen Jun 2018 #16
Reagan/Thatcher DBoon Jun 2018 #18
9-11 superpatriotman Jun 2018 #19
I think the Southern Strategy after passing the Civil/Voting Rights Act LeftInTX Jun 2018 #20
I gotta go with the "Southern Strategy" as well. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jun 2018 #21
"nomination of Sarah Palin for Vice President" DBoon Jun 2018 #22
October 7, 1996 oberliner Jun 2018 #24
I would offer an alternate series of events as context as well genxlib Jun 2018 #26
This effectively hamstrung the Carter Presidency and led to Reagan, eventually Citizens United dameatball Jun 2018 #54
There isn't one moment mythology Jun 2018 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Anon-C Jun 2018 #28
Deregulation of cable and radio FarPoint Jun 2018 #29
Not just equal time, House of Roberts Jun 2018 #61
I'm gonna say it goes back to 1787: 3/5ths Clause; Fugitive Slave Clause; Importation Clause malchickiwick Jun 2018 #30
Seconded. Sugar Smack Jun 2018 #44
Yes..... spicysista Jun 2018 #71
Can't disagree with you there genxlib Jun 2018 #74
Telecommunications Act of 1996 Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #33
What an evil man Murdoch is . Chickensoup Jun 2018 #37
Never properly dealing with racism and other bigotry in the country JI7 Jun 2018 #34
1979... LisaM Jun 2018 #35
Gutenberg's Bible-the printing press n/t OxQQme Jun 2018 #36
The election of a black President HopeAgain Jun 2018 #38
The Pardon. snort Jun 2018 #39
Fox News calling Florida for Gore. Initech Jun 2018 #40
I don't think you can pin it on one single thing tulipsandroses Jun 2018 #41
The assassination of Abraham Lincoln. thucythucy Jun 2018 #45
I agree PJMcK Jun 2018 #57
Harry Truman, Doris Day Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2018 #47
Hate radio and Fox "News." Vinca Jun 2018 #48
I am going to have to go with the Over Sized Ego of St. Bernie bottomofthehill Jun 2018 #49
When man evolved from apes. Nt BootinUp Jun 2018 #50
The Assassination of RFK DarthDem Jun 2018 #51
In my opinion an easy answer: Reagan's removal of the so-called "Fairness Doctrine" for mass media. Still In Wisconsin Jun 2018 #52
The election of Ronald Reagan. n/t Brainstormy Jun 2018 #53
The Civil War PJMcK Jun 2018 #55
The deep state plot to not admit enough Norwegians dameatball Jun 2018 #56
Death of the Fairness Doctrine JNelson6563 Jun 2018 #58
1966, California Governor Ronald Reagan started cutting state funding for higher education. fleabiscuit Jun 2018 #59
Legal slavery in the US. aikoaiko Jun 2018 #62
I agree, Nixon-atwater 60's heaven05 Jun 2018 #63
Fox 'news' and right wing talk radio dhol82 Jun 2018 #64
The assassinations of JFK, MLK, Jr., and RFK. VOX Jun 2018 #66
Gingrich elected Speaker DrDan Jun 2018 #67
I think it was the mainstreaming of the moral majority. RGinNJ Jun 2018 #70
i vote for musette_sf Jun 2018 #72
There is never a single turning point. WWI was not caused by an assassination... Hekate Jun 2018 #73

brush

(53,876 posts)
42. Yes. This. The forces behind selecting Bush though are the same...
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 04:41 PM
Jun 2018

forces responsible for the other things on your list and are descendants of the strain is this country that were responsible for policies reaching all the way back to all the assassinations, coups, occupations and wars the country has blighted the rest of the Americas and the world.

Unfortunately IMO trump is the culmination of all that.

SeattleVet

(5,479 posts)
4. Reagan dismantling the 'Fairness Doctrine'...
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 03:14 PM
Jun 2018

thus opening the door for the FauxSnoozes and InfoWars of the world to spew total crap, unchallenged.

irisblue

(33,034 posts)
15. The Fairness Doctrine
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 03:36 PM
Jun 2018

From it's wiki article, & there is much more at the site.
" The fairness doctrine had two basic elements: It required broadcasters to devote some of their airtime to discussing controversial matters of public interest, and to air contrasting views regarding those matters. Stations were given wide latitude as to how to provide contrasting views: It could be done through news segments, public affairs shows, or editorials. The doctrine did not require equal time for opposing views but required that contrasting viewpoints be presented. The demise of this FCC rule has been considered by some to be a contributing factor for the rising level of party polarization in the United States.

The main agenda for the doctrine was to ensure that viewers were exposed to a diversity of viewpoints. In 1969 the United States Supreme Court upheld the FCC's general right to enforce the fairness doctrine where channels were limited. But the courts did not rule that the FCC was obliged to do so.[4] The courts reasoned that the scarcity of the broadcast spectrum, which limited the opportunity for access to the airwaves, created a need for the doctrine."

It existed 49-87. I remember my father watching the public affairs shows & explaining the conversations to me.
Also I believe the 'dumbing down' of the American educatipnal system started in earnest in that time span. Less American civics, history & written critical thought pieces in high school years were occurring. The rise of technology classes instead of with the social sciences were happening




genxlib

(5,542 posts)
10. This lesson led directly into Iran Contra
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 03:21 PM
Jun 2018

To this day, I believe that there was a massive failure in justice for that.

They really had very little consequences considering they violated the will of congress and sold weapons to Iran shortly after the hostage crisis.

genxlib

(5,542 posts)
9. I would add the assassination of 2 Kennedys and MLK
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 03:18 PM
Jun 2018

For hampering liberal leadership for a decade or more

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
25. The assassination explosion
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 03:45 PM
Jun 2018

There were many assassinations back then, including Medgar Evers. The right wing never paid a political price for them. It was basically all seen as "lone gunmen", not the product of a political philosophy. Conversely, the left was entirely demagogued by the violent actions of people in the '60s that opposed the war and fought the culture wars. The right has been getting away with this for 50+ years, so why would a little lying be a problem?

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
14. the Lewis Powell Memo / Manifesto circa 1970
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 03:34 PM
Jun 2018

a road map for taking over the country; written by Lewis Powell who Nixon rewarded with a SC seat

Efilroft Sul

(3,582 posts)
43. Make it a third vote for the Powell Manifesto.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 04:50 PM
Jun 2018

Runners-up:
• The Southern Strategy
• The influence of the Chicago School of Economics

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
68. Certainly an honorable mention for them both
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 07:45 PM
Jun 2018

especially the Chicago School, which miscreants used to spread the joy around the world.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
60. THIS IS IT!!!
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 06:44 PM
Jun 2018

Everything 'started' here.

Of course there was the Civil War,, etc etc... but in 'modern' American history... THIS is it.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
16. The Fundamentalist Takeover of the Southern Baptist Convention
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 03:41 PM
Jun 2018

Insuring that nearly all southerners would get horrible propaganda from the pulpits every week.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Baptist_Convention_conservative_resurgence

LeftInTX

(25,563 posts)
20. I think the Southern Strategy after passing the Civil/Voting Rights Act
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 03:44 PM
Jun 2018

It took several decades (the 80s) for the old guard to pass....many Democrats continued to be re-elected because they were incumbents...after they left office, they were replaced with Republicans.

Reagan was rabid, but had a Democratic House.

DBoon

(22,397 posts)
22. "nomination of Sarah Palin for Vice President"
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 03:44 PM
Jun 2018

The dumbing down started with Dan Quayle, if not Reagan himself

genxlib

(5,542 posts)
26. I would offer an alternate series of events as context as well
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 03:45 PM
Jun 2018

It's a little out of the box but follow my train of thought.

-The invention of the automobile

-The dependence on oil

-Meddling in the Middle East

-The rise of radicalism in Islam

-OPEC gas shocks

-Iranian Revolution and Hostages

-Afghanistan / Russians / Bin Laden

-First Gulf War

-9/11

-Irag and Afghanistan Wars

There are other key points along the way but our addiction to the car has driven our policy into some very dark places.

I am convinced that much of what we are experiencing today is a collective PTSD leftover from 9/11.



dameatball

(7,400 posts)
54. This effectively hamstrung the Carter Presidency and led to Reagan, eventually Citizens United
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 06:31 PM
Jun 2018

Carter actually had the right ideas on energy, but the country chose the less painless route. OPEC was glad to oblige.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
27. There isn't one moment
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 03:48 PM
Jun 2018

There are thousands.

Trump getting a reality show. Barack Obama being elected. Hillary Clinton using a personal email server. Republicans embracing the extreme evangelical right who seem to value banning abortion over all else. Roe vs Wade. The failing of the Civil Rights era to more fully integrate our society. Putin wanting more global power. The rise of automation harming middle class jobs. Failure to turn out in off year elections. Increased ability to effectively gerrymander. Racism. Sexism. People not coming out in 2016 in response to McConnell not allowing a vote on Garland.

There's no easy to point to thing that if you could change just that, everything would be utopian.

Response to Music Man (Original post)

malchickiwick

(1,474 posts)
30. I'm gonna say it goes back to 1787: 3/5ths Clause; Fugitive Slave Clause; Importation Clause
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 03:51 PM
Jun 2018

Let's not pretend that this disease is not rooted in our original sin.

spicysista

(1,663 posts)
71. Yes.....
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 08:01 PM
Jun 2018

This is what I too was debating. 1787 or the assassination of Lincoln and the forced end of reconstruction. I don't know....I always hoped that reconstruction, if it were allowed to continue, would have set the country on the correct path. IDK. We'll never know.

genxlib

(5,542 posts)
74. Can't disagree with you there
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 08:40 PM
Jun 2018

As long as we are talking about the original problems that still haunt us, let's not forget the imbalance of power between urban and rural by the Senate and Electoral College

If not for that, Democrats would have held the Presidency for 6 of the last 7 terms. And the only time that the GOP actually got more votes, Bush was the incumbent and likely won due to a war he started. Not to mention the number of Senators that our numbers would actually represent.

Not to mention, the Second Amendment...

LisaM

(27,839 posts)
35. 1979...
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 04:01 PM
Jun 2018

When the forces of unfettered capitalism and right wing fanaticism joined forces, and world leaders were zealots of each - Thatcher and the Ayatollah. The capitalists used the evangelicals to win elections. Our main chance is to undo that pairing.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
38. The election of a black President
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 04:14 PM
Jun 2018

America is not what I thought it was 2 years ago. Many Americans are shining lights upon a hill, but too many Americans (in the over-represented parts of America - gerrymandering, Senate and Electoral College) are all in on the Trump thinly veiled racism and the anti-immigrant xenophobia.

Hate and fear is a great mobilizer -- Look at the Nazis if you don't believe me.

Initech

(100,104 posts)
40. Fox News calling Florida for Gore.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 04:29 PM
Jun 2018

I'll always peg that as the point where our country made a turn for the worst.

tulipsandroses

(5,127 posts)
41. I don't think you can pin it on one single thing
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 04:38 PM
Jun 2018

The Southern Strategy has paid dividends though
I was going to post this in a separate thread but I think it fits in here regarding Lee Atwater

There was movie made about his life that I posted in another thread

Lee Atwater’s Legacy
https://www.thenation.com/article/lee-atwaters-legacy/
Rebel. Liar. Attack dog. Bigot. Stefan Forbes's Boogie Man assesses the enduring damage Lee Atwater did to our political process.
By Antonino D’Ambrosio


Rebel. Liar. Manipulator. Mastermind. Sprinkle in a bit of hypocrisy and a ton of opportunism, and you have Harvey Leroy “Lee” Atwater, a key player in the transformation of the Republican Party into the political force it is today. His meteoric rise to the upper echelons of political power was cut short by a fatal brain tumor at the age of 40.

As director Stefan Forbes’s smart, revealing new film Boogie Man: The Lee Atwater Story shows, Atwater threw away the old Republican playbook and wrote a new one full of dirty tricks aimed not just at winning but at annihilating his opponents. His attack dog style, which included some of the worst political smear campaigns in US history, led to the election of three Republican presidents.

Boogie Man is an important film for those who wonder how the political landscape shifted so dramatically rightward over the past three decades. Forbes gives us an engaging look into the psyche of a person driven mostly by insecurity and a manic desire to win at all costs; he also presents a compelling account of exactly how Atwater lied, cheated and stole his way to power. By choosing to straddle this tenuous narrative line, Forbes draws an absorbing portrait. In less capable hands, Atwater could have been a caricature, as he willfully and shamelessly used racial-scare campaigns to get his candidates elected, but denied being a racist because he played blues guitar and “loved blues music because it was real authentic black music.”

Boogie Man mixes commentaries from a range of political perspectives with fascinating archival footage, breathing life into a story that seems to strain credulity. With a steady hand, Forbes seeks to learn what motivated the man Republican strategist Ed Rollins describes as extremely “insecure” but possessing the “eyes of a killer.” Early on, it was Atwater who understood that “people vote their fears, not their hopes”; he did all he could to stoke those fears. The cultural backlash he created wrested power from one party and firmly entrenched it in the hands of another. Look no further than George W. Bush’s entire presidency as one shining, painful example of just how successful Atwater was at devising a whole arsenal of tactics aimed at shifting the political discourse away from substantive issues to visceral ones. These tactics now dominate American politics and have served to distort the democratic process. They include push polling (fake surveys conducted by “independent pollsters”), the use of coded language (i.e., “welfare queens”) and tapping into white Southern and blue-collar resentment. Of the latter, Atwater acolyte and former deputy director of White House communications Tucker Eskew says, “Resentment became the destiny of the Republican Party, and Lee was adept at tapping into that.”

thucythucy

(8,086 posts)
45. The assassination of Abraham Lincoln.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 05:11 PM
Jun 2018

Lincoln's version of Reconstruction included the seizure of lands owned by Confederate leaders (and hence the permanent loss of their wealth and power) and distributing it to freed slaves and poor whites. This was the "Forty Acres and a mule" option that southern apologists so like to ridicule. And while Lincoln wasn't as "radical" (meaning anti-racist progressive) as Thaddeus Stevens and other "radical Republicans" he was far more progressive than Andrew Johnson, who was forced on Lincoln as his vice presidential candidate at a low point during the election of 1864, when the support of Border State "moderates" seemed crucial.

The breakup of the old South "slave power" would have gone a long way toward empowering African Americans and preventing Jim Crow. An actual "reconstruction" in the 1860s might well have made a "Southern Strategy" in the 1960s moot.

Never forget that Lincoln was murdered by a white supremacist. John Wilkes Booth was on the White House lawn when Lincoln delivered a speech calling for enfranchising at least some Black voters. Booth turned to a co-conspirator and said, "That means n-r citizenship. That's the last speech he'll ever make." Booth shot Lincoln only a few days later.

Racism is this nation's original sin. Unless confronted and contained and ultimately expunged from our society it will inevitably lead to the death of our democracy.

bottomofthehill

(8,348 posts)
49. I am going to have to go with the Over Sized Ego of St. Bernie
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 06:05 PM
Jun 2018

He lost the primary by over 3.5 million votes and is still trying to dictate how things should be done.

DarthDem

(5,256 posts)
51. The Assassination of RFK
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 06:26 PM
Jun 2018

Not JFK, but RFK. If the second tragedy hadn't happened, the world would be quite different. It's not even a close question in my opinion.
 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
52. In my opinion an easy answer: Reagan's removal of the so-called "Fairness Doctrine" for mass media.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 06:27 PM
Jun 2018

That's what gave rise to Rush, and Hannity, and Beck, and countless other purveyors of right-wing hate radio/TV. Without this, there would be no Fox News as we know it today, nor would any of these right-wing shills have the power they do.

PJMcK

(22,050 posts)
55. The Civil War
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 06:32 PM
Jun 2018

After the Union prevailed, it was a disastrous mistake to not try the Rebellion's leaders for treason. They were let off on their best behavior and were revered by the "South" for more than nearly 150 years after their efforts to destroy the United States.

Had they been prosecuted and punished, much of the division that has cleaved our Nation ever since would have been diminished.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
63. I agree, Nixon-atwater 60's
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 07:13 PM
Jun 2018

was a modern catalyst for today's woes. Showed the fascist anew the lesson of using racist hate primarily in the south, civil war and all, in suppressing/confusing the vote.

Southern Bluedog Democrats, repthugliKKKan leaning democrats pour salt in the well by basically sitting out. No loyalty/allegiance to either party, yet commanding a huge voting block, that's poisoned that well for now. Look who we have as a potus. America could have done better than this bullshit. 30-43% of hardcore repthugliKKKan base ruling the land, the others are too cowardly, complicit to speak up against the crooks and cons like trump and mitchieboy. "what a revolting development this is". Let me see some action Democratic Party leadership!

dhol82

(9,353 posts)
64. Fox 'news' and right wing talk radio
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 07:21 PM
Jun 2018

Thirty years of hate propaganda.
No question.
Everything is ancillary.
24/7 hate x 30 years = crazy voters.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
66. The assassinations of JFK, MLK, Jr., and RFK.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 07:31 PM
Jun 2018

An entire generation of liberal and Democratic leadership was eradicated in less than 5 years.

JFK’s murder engendered a distrust in the federal government (the Warren Commision); MLK’s murder rubbed out the concept of effective non-violent resistance; and RFK’s murder gave us Richard Nixon. And Nixon and his acolytes embodied the worst kind of paranoid hatred and hubris— all of which still reverberates today.

musette_sf

(10,206 posts)
72. i vote for
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 08:05 PM
Jun 2018

*Ronald Reagan's election in 1980, bringing decades of Reagan worship and a new ethic of selfishness and hatred of government.

Hekate

(90,829 posts)
73. There is never a single turning point. WWI was not caused by an assassination...
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 08:10 PM
Jun 2018

The archduke's assassination was only the match that lit the powderkeg.

Here in the US we have experienced a virulent wing of the Right Wing that operated for at least 40 years with a long view. Look up Christian Reconstructionism. Go to Right Wing Watch. Examine the sources of the home schooling movement that has so many people convinced pblic schools are the devil's work.

This took a long long time.

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