In case you were wondering, Cenk is still trash

[Blue_Tires]

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[Wwcd]

1. Anyone supporting Cenk should be banned .

His is one continuous message against Democrats.

He may as well declare his real wish for this country along with Sarandon & Stein & the 3rd Party & Tea Party-like fringe against Democrats.

Thanks for Trump's New Reich you asshole.

[Gothmog]

2. I stopped paying attention to TYT a while back

Cenk is an idiot and is now pushing russian fake news.

[KansasKali]

3. What would you expect from a Holocaust denier?

He's a lost cause.

[zipplewrath]

4. Well, yabut

It's sorta like the "just because your paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you" situation. He can be trash, but right. Had a boss one time that said, "the only worse than an asshole, is an asshole that's right". She lost. She even admits to mistakes. We (the democratic party) didn't take seriously enough the risk of nominating someone who was under and FBI investigation. That didn't mean much to us, because of course we all knew it was bogus. But to the 3 - 5 % (in about 4 states) of voters that decided this election, that meant enough. I'm not really willing to say Bernie would have won, he had problems of his own. Hillary didn't get enough of the AA vote out, he'd a done way worse. But it isn't clear that his problems would have been less than HRC's.

We'll never know and really all of this "you should apologize, no YOU should apologize" really isn't getting anyone anywhere. If we want to have a post mortem, fine, but it isn't about apologies. It is about what was "knowable" as a guide for the future. I don't think anyone knows what's gonna happen in 2020. I'd probably make a small bet the eventual nominee isn't all that well known to most of us right now. Nothing wrong with assessing what not to do next time around. But I'm actually paying much more attention right now to November 2018.

[Blue_Tires]

12. One thing is for certain

and that is any leftbro pundit who spent a large chunk of time telling Dems to stay home or vote Trump/3rd party *DO* need to fucking admit their shortsighted culpability and apologize, imo... (and yes, I can name names)

And I'm *still* waiting for anyone to explain to me how Sanders was a guaranteed win against Trump when his campaign managers/strategists handled the primaries far worse than Hillary's people handled the general...

But ultimately this goes deeper than "apology"... Folks can laugh or say I'm being extreme, but ever since Dec. 2016 I've been calling for some kind of truth-and-reconciliation moment in the leftist pundisphere for the Hillary haters, anti-anti-Trump crowd, and general purpose ratfuckers who willfully sabotaged their own candidate since so many of them are appearing regularly on Fox News or writing for far-right site now (One of the most popular ones of 2016, Cassandra Fairbanks, happily outed herself as a Kremlinist ratfucking infiltrator and she's been laughing her ass off ever since). Because the bottom line is I know many of these piece of shit traitors still have huge audiences, and if they kneecapped us in 16, they'll do it in 18 and 20... And the stakes are too high for me to allow that to happen... If the Cenks of the world still want to screech in 2018 that HRC was the the worst candidate ever and that her policies still would have been worse than Trump's? Fine... But in that case their asses need to be purged from the legitimate honest progressive movement and relegated to the LaRouche/Green Party fringe where they belong...

[zipplewrath]

15. Yerp!

And I'm *still* waiting for anyone to explain to me how Sanders was a guaranteed win against Trump when his campaign managers/strategists handled the primaries far worse than Hillary's people handled the general...

Yeah, I'm perfectly willing to accept that Hillary might have been the "wrong" candidate. That doesn't mean that Bernie was the "right" one.

[Cha]

22. Hillary was the BEST Candidate.. too bad the Fucking Russians

and their FUCKING FECKLESS enablers stole it.

[xmas74]

23. I thought she was a good candidate.

The other side offered a side show instead of an actual candidate and the media played along.

It's hard to be an adult when the other side is screaming for chocolate milk and juice boxes.

[pandr32]

28. This!

You are right on as usual.
Aloha Cha

[Cha]

31. So many freaking fires to

put out, pandr.

I'm getting exhausted.

Aloha!

[uponit7771]

65. +1

[manor321]

5. They fought AFTER the primary

That is the problem. Attacking the Democrats AFTER the primary finished.

[Wwcd]

10. They are STILL doing it. They want the Democratic Party gone.

That has been their mission from the beginning.
They go about it exactly how Trump destroys people.

[GoCubsGo]

6. Nah. I wasn't wondering. But, thanks for the reminder.

Some things never change, eh?

[niyad]

8. cenk who?

[NCTraveler]

9. Just another sick Republican like H A Goodman.

“It seems like there is a sea of tits here, and I am drinking in tiny droplets. I want to dive into the whole god damn ocean,” Cenk Uygur

"Obviously, the genes of women are flawed. They are poorly designed creatures who do not want to have sex nearly as often as needed for the human race to get along peaceably and fruitfully.” Cenk Uygur

“Women, ignore these at your peril, Rule 1: There must be some serious making out by the third date. If I haven’t felt your tits by then, things are not about to last much longer. In fact, if you don’t get back on track by the fourth date, you’re done. Rule 2: There must be orgasm by the fifth date.” Cenk Uygur

“In one small Pennsylvania town we stopped for gas, and while Cenk filled up I went to talk to these three girls who were walking down the road nearby. Turns out they were three teenage girls, whores in training, literally looking for boys to pick them up. They were around 14-16 and in a few more years will be pretty damn good looking.” David Koller VP of operations at TYT

"A man goes home and masturbates his typical fantasy. A woman on her knees, a woman tied up, a woman abused." Bernie Sanders

"A woman enjoys intercourse with her man — as she fantasizes being raped by 3 men simultaneously." Bernie Sanders

[Wwcd]

11. This is how they speak & how they smugly define their place above all others.

Thanks for reminding why we are rapidly heading towards the sick putrid odor of old geezer patriarchy.

Voters gave up the rights of women & girls to glorify these dirty old men.

[treestar]

62. lol what peril?

In what peril is a woman by not wanting sex with him soon enough? Losing him? LOL, no loss there.

[LyndaG]

13. He's wealthy

He'll land on his feet no matter who is elected. Most of the rest of us aren't so lucky.

[R B Garr]

14. He doesn't even sound sincere. You can tell he's digging into the bag of tricks

to recycle some buzz words. What an absolute phony.

[Fullduplexxx]

16. He couldnt win the primary but he would have won the general?

[Tatiana]

17. He's an a$$, but he's right about the campaign.

Specifically the campaign staff. Huma should have been sacked ahead of the scandal. They should have just begged the OFAers to move over to the Clinton campaign -- whatever the cost... there was certainly enough $$$ to pay those who had moved to the private sector. They would have gotten the necessary canvassing to pull out Michigan and Pennsylvania. Their models would have anticipated and addressed issues ahead of time. They knew how to manage the media better.

There was an arrogance to the Clinton campaign. They thought they would win too. It was only in the home stretch when they realized everything they were up against and considered the fact that they were outmatched. By the media, by Putin, by Ryan and McConnell...

Bill is a politician, but Hillary really isn't. She's a solutions-oriented policy person, which made it all the more imperative that her VP pick and her campaign personnel were top-of-their-game in fighting the political battle of our lives.

[Blue_Tires]

19. With friends like this:

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[Cha]

20. FUCKING FECKLESS LIARS.. just like stein and sarandon.

Maybe if he had gotten OFF his LYING A$$$$$$$ and worked HARD in the GE we wouldn't be in this Tragic Mess now.

But that wouldn't be on his agenda, would it?

[Cha]

21. cenk is a GasLighting asshole.

The Russians hijacking the election, jill stein LIES in the crucial swing states, the m$m, the Russian bots, Cambridge analytical, james comey.. and Hillary still got 3 million more votes than the Fascist.


Was her campaign perfect, no.. but they weren't "arrogant" as you say.

[Tatiana]

24. Agree on Cenk... he is a disgusting a$$hole.

And probably still a Republican in sheep's clothing, kinda like Ed Schultz (who I never trusted).

But I do believe there was an arrogance to Hillary's campaign. They didn't take the potential damage Sanders would cause seriously until it was too late. I have a couple of former classmates, good people, who worked on her campaign. Team Hill could have learned much from the two Obama campaigns for President, but thought they knew what they were doing.

And now we're in hell. Yes, Hillary faced unprecedented opposition. But there was a way to win this thing with a smarter campaign (similar to Obama 2008). I hope we, as a party, have learned from our mistakes and will move on to be victorious in the future.

[Cha]

25. I was following it closely and I don't believe there was "arrogance".

[lunamagica]

34. There was never a hint of arrogance, Cha

[Cha]

39. Gracias, Luna! I was hoping someone would

back me up on this who was there every step of the way!

She was so kind.

[TheRealNorth]

29. He was a Republican

I used to like TYT, but stuff like this pisses me off.

[peekaloo]

68. Well here in Central Florida

the people running her campaign made a major misstep by ignoring the base. No outreach to Democratic voters, instead they were "laser focused" on Independents. When myself and another prospective volunteer brought up our experiences on Obama's ground game we were dismissed as "not understanding the big picture". I can still feel the rock in my stomach after that exchange.

btw I'm speaking of door to door campaigning.

[Tatiana]

69. It's a shame. But hopefully we can learn and do better.

I heard similar reports from people in Michigan. People who had experience with the Obama campaigns could see these missed opportunities for canvassing. OFA knew where the votes were, knew right down to the CD where to send people. I cannot for the life of me understand why this same type of modeling and technology was not utilized for Hillary's campaign.

KellyAnne CONway is vile, but she applied those exact principles to Trump's campaign. She had the data that showed where his potential votes where and what racist messages his sycophants wanted to hear.

The important thing is that we grow. There are so many lessons to be learned from this debacle. Securing our state and municipal elections, making sure we have Democratic governors and Secretaries of State to secure the voting results, transitioning to a paper ballot or receipt-type voting system, drawing fairer Congressional maps... we have to do all these things.

But I refuse to accept that this was not a winnable race, given all the obstacles. People who refuse to acknowledge the missteps of the Hillary campaign make it more likely that we will repeat the same mistakes again. Instead of being weakened, Trump is getting stronger. He could steal a second term if we don't get our shit together.

[peekaloo]

70. Word!

[MFM008]

55. STFU susan

[Cha]

58. Here.. you can tell her here

on her very own thread that Soph posted..

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210807951

MFM

[MFM008]

71. Thank you

Will do.

[mcar]

18. They will never acknowledge their mistakes

[Demonaut]

26. he's bad for Armenians

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Young-Turks-Turkish-nationalist-movement

[sheshe2]

30. I wasn't wondering.

LOL, we all knew that...well most of us did.

[BlueTsunami2018]

32. I think Bernie would have won too.

Almost to a man, my union friends would have voted for Bernie. I can’t understand how they went from Bernie to Тяцмр, because they’re diametrically opposed, but they did. No matter how I cajoled and reasoned and pleaded, they would not move after the primary. They absolutely hate Hillary and that goes across all the blue collar areas. Almost the entire rust belt would have gone Bernie over Тяцмр. The blue wall would have held because of his pro-labor message.

But it really doesn’t matter now. She still should have won. She almost certainly did win but it was close enough to steal because her negatives were so high. And mostly due to ridiculous propaganda against her. It’s a damn shame, she would have been great at the job.

[shanny]

33. So do I.

[Cha]

42. Both of you are Wrong.

[BlueTsunami2018]

46. Too bad we'll never know for sure.

I suspect you’re wrong about my being wrong.

[Cha]

47. I know you're Wrong.

Like pnwmom posts.. Russia didn't want BS, either... they wanted trump.

[BlueTsunami2018]

48. You can't possibly know about something that was never tried.

A lot more blue collar workers would have voted Blue. We only lost by about 100k votes total. That probably would have made the difference.

But, as I said, it doesn’t matter now. We’re in Hell.

[Cha]

49. 'and, neither the hell can you.

[BlueTsunami2018]

51. Correct. I only said I thought so, not that it was definite.

Take a chill pill Cuz, you’re overwrought.

[Cha]

52. Well I think NOT.

[lunamagica]

35. Too bad your friends misogyny trumpped therir best interests

[BlueTsunami2018]

45. Agreed.

They love the shit talking and all. But they would have voted for Bernie over Тяцмр. They just hate Hillary with a passion for no good reason.

[treestar]

64. exactly why didn't they "like" Hillary?

All the excuses are not the real reason.

[JI7]

36. HAHAHAHHAHAHA, Trump is Pro labor ? HAHHAH . Black Women had no problem voting for Clinton

same goes for black men, hispanic men, hispanic women , asian men asian women etc.

those groups include working class people.

and they knew Trump did not give a shit about them.

if they voted for trump after his openly bigoted campaigning they supported that bigotry and they support what is happening to the migrant families .

[BlueTsunami2018]

44. No, Тяцмр lied about being pro-labor.

I never said he was. I said Bernie was pro-labor.

Read it again.

[Cha]

41. Well, you're dead WRONG. That's a bunch of wishful

Baloney.

[BlueTsunami2018]

50. Again, you can't definitively say that because it didn't happen.

You only think you know this. I don’t know why it bothers you so much to think it might have been different.

[uponit7771]

57. Of course if one totally ignores Comey and the Russians like Trump then all onus goes to HRC

Come on man, we've gone over this shit 1asf23r22r times before

[BlueTsunami2018]

60. I did say that I thought she did win.

But had it stolen from her.

But Comey would have been irrelevant if Bernie had the nod and many more blue collar votes would have gone to him. We didn’t “lose” by that much.

Sorry, I think he would have won.

But, for the third time, it doesn’t really matter now.

[pnwmom]

37. Anyone who is CERTAIN Bernie would have won must believe that Russia

would have allowed Bernie to win -- and not meddled.

Why do they think Russia would have been happy with a Bernie Presidency?

I don't think Russia wanted Bernie -- that it ONLY wanted Trump.

People who think otherwise should realize that it's really an insult to Bernie to suggest that he had Russian support.

[RhodeIslandOne]

38. The woulda won stuff is bullshit

The election was rigged.

[Cha]

40. Total BULLSHIT.. but TYPICAL BULLSHIT from

that one.

[uponit7771]

56. +1

[treestar]

63. Yeah where do they get that?

They never stop to even attempt to bolster that argument.

Or is hides their misogyny. They figure a man could have won.

[RhodeIslandOne]

67. It's because they can't prove it that they say it.

They refuse to believe they’ll lose at three card monte just like she did.

[JI7]

43. This disgusting fucking asshole was behaving like Trump so got kicked off a plane

[Tarheel_Dem]

53. Didn't some rich Repuklikan fund Cenk's little enterprise to the tune of million$$$?

[JCanete]

54. I agree with Cenk often, and generally appreciate that he and Anna try not to be unfair

or hypocritical in their characterization of democrats and even republicans, but I always cringe when he goes in on Clinton like this. It isn't fair and it isn't mindful of the challenges that she faced as a candidate that were entirely outside of her control, nor mindful of the political terrain she had to navigate getting into the Senate in the late 90's, followed by a post 9/11 conservative media(all of it) zealotry that had no strong social media counterbalance...and even MSNBC was an entirely different beast. I mean I could accept his assessment if he were gentler with that explanation. Maybe it was a little arrogant to run given just how much baggage she was carrying as a result of being public enemy number one for the GOP over the years, but I only see that in retrospect(since I was 100 percent convinced that she had this wrapped up myself). Besides, you have to have that kind of confidence to run regardless of who you are.

I do think many other candidates could have beaten Trump, though I'm not actually sure Sanders could have because Cenk is forgetting just how loathed left-wing progressives actually are by the media(yes I know Sanders is a bit of a ratings darling at the moment-post election), not to mention how luke-warm I feel the reception would have been by the DNC leadership given that for the most part they found Sanders to be antagonistic to what they believe is the way to govern, which would arguably make Sanders a threat, whether you wanted to characterize that as to the status quo or to our own party's political sucesss going forward.

But yes, while obviously I don't think he's trash, I don't find this kind of rhetoric or calling Clinton a horrible candidate helpful, since I find that statement equally untrue.

[Demsrule86]

59. Takes money from Republicans...so fuck him.

[treestar]

61. Geez. Why should the majority of Democrats apologize?

To the sore loser minority?

[NurseJackie]

66. Is he still being funded by Republicans? Isn't he associated with Russian media or something?

Fuck Cenk! What a boor! He's a pompous ass and so are his fans.

All I'm saying is he's no friend of Democrats or the Democratic party.

[Cha]

72. Just an important reminder..