Protesters shut down the streets surrounding Donald Trump's fundraiser this morning

[ehrnst]

Link to tweet

BREAKING: Protesters shut down the streets surrounding Donald Trump’s fundraiser in Milwaukee with Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, chanting “Hey Hey, Ho Ho, Donald Trump Has Got To Go,” demanding rights for immigrants, women and Muslims!

[Raster]

1. This needs to happen over and over again...

...fuck the civility. tRump*, his family, and sycophants need to be called out whenever and wherever.

We are at a PERILOUS POINT in our nation's history... Democracy is indeed in danger. ANYONE that finger wags us into civility is not our friend. Period.

And I might add, when you are a Democrat and uber-wealthy, you have ways to insulate yourselves from the tRump* madness. You can fly to another state or country if you need an abortion. You can always hire the best attornies to help you navigate the tRump* morass. However, things look a shit-load different when you don't have a silver spoon in your mouth.

And to all the "we're better than them, we need to be civil" crowd: BULLSHIT, our civility, and belief that the other side would be civil and play by the rules is what got us into this mess.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

18. With all due respect, this is civil.

Civil disobedience

[Raster]

19. I concur!

[sprinkleeninow]

34. Co-concur!

💙🇺🇸🌊

[TommyCelt]

21. Michael Collins quote...

"Our only weapon is our refusal." - The Big Fella, 1919

[calimary]

47. THAT kind of "civility" I can definitely get behind.

[Maraya1969]

43. Absolutely. Just because you and your daughters won't be affected by a legal

ban on abortions in this country does not mean you should accept an attack on Roe in any way. If it affects one woman if affects all women. We are either all for one and one for all or we are nothing.

[greymattermom]

2. Love that

hit him in the wallet. Fund raising for the campaign goes straight into his personal accounts, or maybe it just buys $45 hamburgers at a Trump hotel.

[lagomorph777]

30. Hit him in the wallet, and if one or two donkey shoe prints happen to miss by an inch or two,

oh well.

[sheshe2]

3. Good!

[geardaddy]

4. Excellent!

[deminks]

5. Yes!

[bucolic_frolic]

6. Americans will not allow the rich and powerful to trample the weak, the poor, the downtrodden

It is un-American.

[LiberalArkie]

16. Sure we will..

[KG]

24. since when

[klook]

38. Some will sit on the sidelines, fretting and doing nothing, or giving up and tuning out...

and others will join the fray to fight for all of us. The time has come when we decide which side of history we want to be on.

Thanks for your post!

[heaven05]

7. hopefully

RESISTANCE GROWS!!!!!!! If I have the chance my crippled ass WILL be out there. True americans want trump gone.

[onecent]

8. EXCELLENT!!!

[iluvtennis]

9. The sounds of protesting, such sweet music to my ears. Yay!

[dhill926]

10. love the hell out of this....

that orange piece of shit should be hounded everywhere he goes...

[bdamomma]

15. he will be

if/when he goes to the UK. They hate him out there. Very good judge of people those Brits.

[GetRidOfThem]

35. Brits can do bad judgement too..

Don't forget Boris and Nigel..

[smirkymonkey]

11. Good for them!

[calimary]

48. Indeed.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

92. Well said

[kimbutgar]

12. But didn't the fundraiser still happen?

[BlueJac]

13. Good news

[BlueSea]

14. This, multiplied by 1,000

This needs to happen at every GOP event, fundraiser, rally, meeting, presser, etc.

It can't happen that much because we all have lives to lead, jobs to go to, families to tend to, but we still need this to happen several times daily in D.C. and anywhere we can raise a stink, piss them off and make them uncomfortable.

If we are going to go down, let's do it fighting.

If we are going to go down, let's make every one of their lives a living hell.

[cooldude]

20. I'm tired of the excuses that

I can't get arrested or even go to the protest because "I have a life to lead, I have a job to go to, I have a family to tend to".

There is no excuse for any progressive copping out and letting other progressives have to be the ones who endure all the physical and mental pain involved with protesting, civil disobedience and getting arrested for the cause.

Any progressive who won't stop this madness now even if it means getting arrested is just a BS progressive not a real progressive.

[TommyCelt]

23. So...

...you are doing so?

[cooldude]

37. I've been doing so since

the 60s when I laid down in the road right in front of John Wayne who was leading a pro-Vietnam war march. We used to call it guerrilla warfare back then

[johnp3907]

28. I'm a bs progressive!

[ehrnst]

41. ....

[ehrnst]

40. When I did clinic defense, people were ALWAYS ASKED if they would agree to be arrested

if there was a potential for it. Those who didn't volunteer were NOT in any way shape or form demeaned or considered to be "less than progressive" or "less than dedicated, or "copping out." That's one way to lose people, and you need to learn that.

People need to decide ahead of time if they will agree to arrest. That can get you fired, as per agreements with certain employers, and for some, losing their job would be catastropic for them and their family, and then they truly can't do more in the way of activism.

If you are fortunate enough that the cost of getting arrested is tolerable, fine. Do it.

Don't trash others for not doing it. That holier than thou attitude toward people who have families and jobs that they feel a responsibility towards will get us nowhere. Those are the people that we want, those with a sense of responsibility about it. Calling us bullshit progressives reflects more on you than them.

I'm a progressive, and there is nothing "BS" about it.

[cooldude]

49. I understand all of that but

there have been times when I have organized a group of progressive men and women to do something besides protest or get arrested and a bunch of people volunteered to do it but when the time came to do the job, I was the only one who showed up.

I have a job I can't afford to lose. I have a family I need to take care of. I can't afford to get arrested but I'm willing to do it if EVERYONE is also willing to do it.

My recent post in which I quote Phil Ochs song, "That's What I Want To Hear" expresses it better than I can.
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[ehrnst]

50. Your personal experience doesn't represent everything else.

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If you are willing to be arrested, then you choose to do that.

Don't assume others have your choices in life. Especially if you are a white, straight man.

That's the trap that the Right wing falls into.

All the Bob Dylan/Phil Ochs videos in the world won't hide that.

[cooldude]

52. No one including white, straight men should expect someone else to do something

that they are not willing to do themselves especially when it benefits them more than the person who they expect to do it.

If I'm told I should protest for someone else's rights and even go to jail for doing it then I expect that person to also be out there protesting and getting arrested for their rights. It's really that simple.

Maybe I'm just jaded because I have put my ass on the line many times in the past and have been left out on a limb holding the bag so many times by my left wing friends and associates.

[ehrnst]

59. Oh, so you're angry that those non-white male people aren't protesting enough?

And they aren't grateful enough to you, a white man who is actually willing to grace them with your support?

Well, isn't that special.

Got some more white people singing folk songs to share with us as a rebuttal?

[cooldude]

64. Nope.

Race has nothing to do with it and you know it.

I just want those progressives regardless of their race who tell others to do what they won't do to stop telling me to do what they won't do.

BTW, are you now going to be my personal troll because you don't like white male people and you think I'm a white male person?

[ehrnst]

70. And we have moved the goalpost yet again...

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So, let's see- attacking a strawman, red herring, and now name calling.

Quite a collection of fallacies. It helps not to post in anger - that can be problematic. Your sentence structure starts to ramble.

I just want those progressives regardless of their race who tell others to do what they won't do to stop telling me to do what they won't do.

Who is telling you what to do? What are they telling you to do? Can you provide a link to the post where they did?

[cooldude]

74. I don't need a grammar lesson from you.

That sentence says exactly what I want it to say.

Who is telling me what to do?

Progressives who are telling other progressives which includes me to go out and peacefully protest or commit civil disobedience yet they can't afford to take the time to protest or commit civil disobedience because they have a job, a family to support, etc.

[ehrnst]

76. Let's try this again....

Who are the "Progressives who are telling other progressives which includes me to go out and peacefully protest or commit civil disobedience yet they can't afford to take the time to protest or commit civil disobedience because they have a job, a family to support, etc." you are ranting about?

You seem to be ranting at progressives here on DU. Who here has told you that, or is telling you that?

Can you provide a link?

If you can't, I suggest you take your need to rant and accuse and namecall to a professional or JPR.

[cooldude]

79. You mistake criticizing some progressives as ranting at all progressives on DU.

Some progressives here and elsewhere have been telling other progressives which includes me to protest or commit civil disobedience yet when the rubber meets the road they will have "excuses" or "reasons" why they can't protest or commit civil disobedience.

Haven't you ever met a progressive who tells other progressives that we need to go out on the streets and protest or commit acts of civil disobedience yet when it comes to actually putting their butt on the line then they are nowhere to be found?

If you say no then you are either deliberately denying the truth or haven't been a progressive for very long.

Hey, I'm not saying or even implying that progressives are the only people who do it because they aren't but it's has certainly been a problem with some of the progressives I have tried to organize in the past.

That's one of the main reasons why I stopped trying to organize progressives to do anything.

[ehrnst]

80. Again... so who are the progressives here at DU who are "telling you what to do?"

Some progressives here and elsewhere have been telling other progressives which includes me to protest or commit civil disobedience yet when the rubber meets the road they will have "excuses" or "reasons" why they can't protest or commit civil disobedience.

Please provide links to where someone here on DU "told you to protest or commit civil disobedience," but "when the rubber meets the road" they have "excuses." Where and when did the "rubber meet the road" and who here on DU was there when it did?

Otherwise, take your ranting to the progressives that have your knickers in a knot, or go to a professional who is paid to listen to your life disappointments.

DU is not a toilet for your rage at other progressives.

Is that clearer?

[cooldude]

82. I noticed you left out the word, "will" from my statement.

I said "when the rubber meets the road they will have 'excuses' or 'reasons' ..."

My use of the words "when" and "will" means they are going to do it in the future, dude.

As far as needing to see a professional, you need to see a professional about your rage against privileged white straight men and your inferiority complex.

Read the rest of my posts and you will see I am not "raging" at any progressives at DU.

In fact, I have agreed with some of them and have even thanked them for what they posted.

If you can't handle some constructive criticism then that's your problem not mine.

[ehrnst]

83. OK, so who are those here on DU who "will" be making you sad in the future?

Since you now deny ranting...

Can you provide links?

If not, again... DU is not a toilet for your ranting about other progressives. See a professional or head on over to JPR.

As far as needing to see a professional, you need to see a professional about your rage against privileged white straight men and your inferiority complex.

Somebody's privilege got an ouchy when it was called out, didn't it?



And you're not raging?

Any progressive who won't stop this madness now even if it means getting arrested is just a BS progressive not a real progressive.

[cooldude]

86. Nope I'm not raging

but apparently I hit a nerve that the King of DU didn't appreciate me hitting.

[ehrnst]

87. Oh, right

This is a happy smilie...





Do go on. It's not as if everyone can go back read what you actually posted...

[ehrnst]

91. That's what emoticons are for....

You should Google it.



I see that's all you got in the way of a response.

[BlueSea]

42. RE: excuses

I agree that we all MUST go out and do as much as we can, and that means doing things beyond our comfort zones. That means one must be prepared to be arrested for peaceful, non-violent protestations. That means one must take a day off from work if there is a huge march or protest. That means travelling some distance to attend the protests and rallies and fundraisers.

No one can afford to be a weekend liberal, not now. Still, with that being said, there are many who are unable to participate due to disabilities, age, location, etc., so let's be mindful about stack-ranking our fellow progressives just because they cannot, or do not, participate.

We need to band together now more than ever before in the history of our country so while I agree that we need to recognize our comfort zones and push hard on them, let's be aware of those who cannot be as active.

[cooldude]

46. There is a difference between BS excuses and legitimate reasons

why someone can"t or won't participate in a peaceful, non-violent protest. The examples you gave why some people can't participate are legitimate reasons so I am not talking about them.

I'm talking about progressives who make BS excuses why they can't or won't participate in a peaceful, non-violent protest or in civil disobedience.

When I was a member of SDS way back in the 60s, there were always some members who talked the talk but they wouldn't walk the walk.

As a result, it was always a small group of people who put their asses on the line for the cause and I see that still happening today.

Phil Ochs expressed what I'm trying to say better than I can in his song, "That's What I Want To Hear". [link:

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So you tell me that your last good dollar is gone
And you say that your pockets are bare
And you tell me that your clothes are tattered and torn
And nobody seems to care

Now don't tell me your troubles
No, I don't have the time to spare
But if you want to get together and fight
Good buddy that's what I want to hear

And you tell me that your job was taken away
By a big ol' greasy machine
And you tell me that you don't collect no more pay
And your belly is growing lean

Now if I had the jobs to give
You know I'd give them all away
But don't waste your breath calling out my name
If you don't have nothing to say

And you tell me that you don't have nothing to do
And you keep on wasting your time
And you say when you want to get your family some food
You gotta stand in a relief line

Now it's a sin and a bloody shame
'Bout the way they're pushing you 'round
But when you decide not to take no more
You know I'll put my money down

'Cause I've seen your kind many times before
And I'll see 'em many times again
Oh, but every bad thing that's happened to you
Has happened to better men

So don't explain that you've lost your way
That you've got no place to go
You've got a hand and a voice and you're not alone
Brother that's all you need to know

And if you're still wondering what I'm trying to say
Let me tell you what it's all about
Now nobody listens to a single man
When he's walkin' 'round down and out

So if you're looking for an answer
He's standing there by your side
And you'll never really know how far you'll go
'Til you join together and try

So you tell me that your last good dollar is gone
And you say that your pockets are bare
And you tell me that your clothes are tattered and torn
And nobody seems to care

Now don't tell me your troubles
No, I don't have the time to spare
But if you want to get together and fight
Good buddy that's what I want to hear

[ehrnst]

51. So you are the ONE to decide what are and are not "bullshit excuses."

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That's some privilege there.

You sound very much like a MAGA dude does ranting about those "takers" who can't "pull themselves up by their own bootstraps."

All the Phil Ochs videos in the world don't hide that.

Enjoy your time here.

[mr_lebowski]

53. Weak ...

Welcome to DU cooldude!

[cooldude]

55. Thanks.

I'm trying to remain a cool dude.

[cooldude]

54. When it's my butt that is being told to protest or get arrested

by committing civil disobedience then you bet your life I am the one who decides what are and what are not BS excuses for why the people telling me to protest or get arrested can't protest or get arrested.

And that has nothing to do with having some privilege. It has to do with having some common sense.

So don't act like I'm ranting like some MAGA dude about "takers" who can't "pull themselves up by their own bootstraps."

I've proven on many occasions over the years that I'm wiling to fight on the side of any progressive who is willing to stand up and fight for themselves.

In fact, I'm more than willing to compare my progressive record on fighting for civil rights, women rights, LGBT rights, etc. to yours any day of the week and I guarantee you that my record as a progressive is superior to yours.

It time for you to stop talking the talk and begin walking the walk by going out on the streets and peacefully protest non-violently or by getting arrested for committing civil disobedience.

[brer cat]

56. Wow. Nothing says "progressive"

quite like telling someone you don't know that you are superior to them. You may believe you are "cooldude" but I think sanctimonious jerk is closer to the truth.

[cooldude]

57. Sorry you feel that way about me

but if you read the post that I was responding to then you will realize the truth is it was the other dude who acted like he was superior to me when he accused me of acting like a MAGA dude.

[ehrnst]

61. If the MAGA hat fits....

I compared **your assumption that anyone who didn't have the same choices you is somehow morally flawed for not making the choices you make** to a MAGA fan's judgement of those who don't have the same privilege as they do, not your descriptions of your above and beyone gallant heroism and sacrifice on the part of those who are not adequately grateful to you for such, but if that hat fits...

[cooldude]

66. The MAGA hat fits your head because

you are the one making the assumption that others didn't have the same choices as me.

You have no idea regarding my lot in life and the choices I had or didn't have.

[ehrnst]

68. "You have no idea regarding my lot in life and the choices I had or didn't have."

Yet you sure feel qualified to 'splain me about how my progressive record isn't as big as yours...

You do know that people can read what you've posted, right?

[cooldude]

73. I have no problem with people reading what I posted because

I have a record of 50 years of progressive action that I am proud of while you probably haven't even been on this planet 50 years, right?

[ehrnst]

75. If you say it then it must be so...

Yer progressive bonafide cred must be way, way longer than mine.

You can put back now.

[cooldude]

77. Let's compare our progressive creds.

What did you do on the day MLK Jr. was assassinated?

After you tell me what you did then I'll tell you what I did.

[ehrnst]

78. I'll show you mine if you show me yours....

Priceless...



You already told me what mine are, and that yours are bigger. You even "told me" how "young" I am.

Getting the facts straight isn't your thing, is it? You decide what they are, then tell people.

Don't believe everything you think, Hon.



But do continue. You need some more rope? Or ammunition for that gun you brought in loaded for bear? Why don't you proclaim that I "hate white men" again? You haven't done that in a couple of posts.

[cooldude]

81. In other words, you didn't do anything.

I was attending a university in the South when MLK Jr. was assassinated and as soon as I heard what happened, I immediately went to where the university flew the American flag and I pulled it down to half-mast. When some students and local good ole boys saw the flag at half-mast they came over and raised it back to full mast. I grabbed the rope from them and pulled the flag back down to half mast. By that time some other students saw what was happening and they confronted the other students and good ole boys and helped me keep the flag at half-mast for the rest of the day.

Now you can tell me what you did in the 60s to help African-Americans in the South who wanted to break a local sundown law.

Do you even know what a sundown law was?

Now don't cheat and google it.

As far as you hating white men, your words spoke for themselves so there is no need for me to repeat them.

[ehrnst]

84. Again with the rants of being a victim of "racism against white men."

Somebody has some feels about their privilege being called out.

Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back, especially for standing up to some other white guys about a flag being flown at half mast, and especially here on DU, where there are many of us who walk the walk and don't feel a need for self-congratulatory posts on what we have done, let alone whine about how we're "stopping trying to organize progressives to do anything." When one keeps on obsessing about size, then that shows some insecurity about one's own.

Since you like to demand answers, then make them up for yourself, perhaps you should ask yourself what has triggered you so badly here on DU.

As far as you hating white men, your words spoke for themselves so there is no need for me to repeat them.

You've moaned about being "victim of racism against a white man" more than once in this thread. Where else do I hear that? Especially from white men of a certain age, along with complaints about not being adequately appreciated for the sacrifices they make for women and people of color.

Oh, right.

Got a red hat stashed somewhere? A JPR account?

So you have no reply to my question? That means...in other words... I have my answer.

See how that works? By all means continue to use this board as a toilet about other progressives, and see how short your welcome is.

[cooldude]

85. You were the one who moaned about me

being a privileged white male who had choices in life that non-white people didn't have.

I never mentioned being a victim of racism against a white man.

And as far as it just being white men who tried to put the flag back to full mast that I had to fight, well tell that to the families of Lemuel Penn. Andrew Goodman ,Michael Schwerner and James Chaney who got murdered in the South by white men in the 60s.

BTW, did you find out what a sundown law was yet?

[ehrnst]

88. And we have another strawman!

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That's a fallacy bingo center square! And another red herring (google that if you need to). And then we have this breathtaking example of self-congratulation....

And as far as it just being white men who tried to put the flag back to full mast that I had to fight, well tell that to the families of Lemuel Penn. Andrew Goodman ,Michael Schwerner and James Chaney who got murdered in the South by white men in the 60s.

Yes, honey you are TOTALLY in the category of Lemuel Penn. Andrew Goodman ,Michael Schwerner and James Chaney in terms of sacrifices made by white men on behalf of the movement.

Stick to posting white folk singers to try to show what a progressive you are. It's less embarrassing. Trust me.

I will say that it's fascinating that you present some of the very same fallacies and argument styles that I find with older white very conservative men. The resorting to namecalling - such claim of someone being "racist towards white men" of course. Especially after one gets angry at being questioned or laughed at. And then when one's authority on a topic is still questioned or dismissed after they 'splain, trying to derail the topic by desperately throwing out a red herring like "I guess you never heard of "Columbia v Heller " or "sundown law" as though trying to equate disagreeing with them at all with being ignorant of something very obvious. Basically using a false dilemma as a red herring.

Perhaps it's a generational thing. Most of the time I see it when a man thinks that the person they are debating younger than they are, a woman and/or a person of color. Goes to the sensitivity about challenged on their authority, I suppose, which is something that has been granted by default to older white men for generations, and if the authority of what they say is questioned, they assume it's because of a character flaw or "bigotry" on the part of other person, or people. White male fragility is another term for it.

You may want to revisit the reasons that you have run into some trouble with other progressives throughout your very long, very big activist career.

Hint: It's not them.

[ehrnst]

60. Are you seriously getting into a dick measuring contest and calling it

"who is more progressive?"

[cooldude]

62. No.

I'm just not letting anyone including you act like they are superior to me because they think they are more progressive than me.

Sorry if you can't handle that.

[ehrnst]

63. Read your posts, then tell us again about who is acting like they are morally superior to others

because they think they are more progressive, if you can handle that...

I'll save you the trouble of clicking:

There is no excuse for any progressive copping out and letting other progressives have to be the ones who endure all the physical and mental pain involved with protesting, civil disobedience and getting arrested for the cause.

Any progressive who won't stop this madness now even if it means getting arrested is just a BS progressive not a real progressive.

If I'm told I should protest for someone else's rights and even go to jail for doing it then I expect that person to also be out there protesting and getting arrested for their rights. It's really that simple.

Maybe I'm just jaded because I have put my ass on the line many times in the past and have been left out on a limb holding the bag so many times by my left wing friends and associates.

I've proven on many occasions over the years that I'm wiling to fight on the side of any progressive who is willing to stand up and fight for themselves.

In fact, I'm more than willing to compare my progressive record on fighting for civil rights, women rights, LGBT rights, etc. to yours any day of the week and I guarantee you that my record as a progressive is superior to yours.

It time for you to stop talking the talk and begin walking the walk by going out on the streets and peacefully protest non-violently or by getting arrested for committing civil disobedience.

Careful of that glass house you're launching rocks from.

[cooldude]

65. Read my posts again because

I didn't say one time that I think I am morally superior to anyone.

The only time I used the word "superior" was when I said my record as a progressive is superior to your record as a progressive.

I think you just have an inferiority complex.

[ehrnst]

69. "You have no idea regarding my lot in life and the choices I had or didn't have."

And you see no irony at all when you then post this...

The only time I used the word "superior" was when I said my record as a progressive is superior to your record as a progressive.

Somebody has some issues about the size of their "record as a progressive."

[Hekate]

67. Well aren't you the clever one to come here and make these proclamations

You can just look into people's souls and tell. That is a rare gift. SMH

[cooldude]

72. That's funny because

that's exactly what you and some other people here are doing to me.

[mountain grammy]

17. Bravo.. my heartfelt thanks to all..

[Power 2 the People]

22. Keep fighting Wisconsin!

Let your voices be heard!!

[bluedigger]

25. Make every public appearance a PR nightmare for him.

[Backwoodsrider]

26. Civil disobediance excellent

Nice to see people willing to take stand sitting down for a cause. I am curious who the meeting was with. Seems everytime Trumo meets at a funraiser with the big folks like with the Mercers or Adelson he does something over the edge and really stupid.

[SunSeeker]

27. K & R

[triron]

29. knr

[JHan]

31. yep, fuck civility.

[duforsure]

32. Good

We should show them the same respect they show for OUR Democracy, NONE.

[OhNo-Really]

33. Young Protestors, the torch is being passed as we prepare to pass away. Phew!

[YOHABLO]

36. Gotta love this !!

[NBachers]

39. Wisconsin Rising

[Duppers]

44. Bravo!

K&R

[paparush]

45. Rep John Lewis reminded us ...

"Never be afraid to make some noise and get in good trouble, necessary trouble." #goodtrouble

[Hassler]

58. One suggestion, if you're going to use the tired "hey, hey, ho, ho" chant, work in Traitor rather

Rather than Donald.

[RJinVegas]

71. It was one of my favorites, back in the day

And it did help rid us of that fucking bastard


Of course, it did lead to NiXon so the old adage "be careful what you wish for" does come into play.