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Are marriage equality and abortion rights at risk? (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Jun 2018 OP
Reproductive choice is in the crosshairs RandySF Jun 2018 #1
This is so bizarre. How can almost half a century of secondwind Jun 2018 #2
Relentless, devious hard work by the RWNJs ? Coupled with moderates and the left not being properly OnDoutside Jun 2018 #4
As I have said before, it can take centuries to build a reputation and a nest egg. Initech Jun 2018 #16
Yes to both. Behind the Aegis Jun 2018 #3
Yes and I wouldn't rule out contraception being at risk. This is code red. Vinca Jun 2018 #5
This is how it will go... Mike Nelson Jun 2018 #6
YES , not only is it at risk but it's the Goal JI7 Jun 2018 #7
Women's rights and gay rights duforsure Jun 2018 #8
Yes n/t manor321 Jun 2018 #9
All individual rights are now on the block. safeinOhio Jun 2018 #10
The individual rights won't all be necessarily taken away immediately. no_hypocrisy Jun 2018 #11
Perhaps. But that assumes the norms apply... Whiskeytide Jun 2018 #13
All healthcare Runningdawg Jun 2018 #12
Of course they will. sinkingfeeling Jun 2018 #14
Minority rights are always at risk, especially under a right wing government. Iggo Jun 2018 #15
Yes and they will...I am hoping my Gay daughter can get a job in Canada...she needs to get out of Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #17
Yes. (nt) Paladin Jun 2018 #18
Duh. MrsCoffee Jun 2018 #19
I would like to know the percentage of Republican women who are Pro Choice ? Looking at the Pew OnDoutside Jun 2018 #20
Incidentally. Orsino Jun 2018 #21
Of course. Just as we warned. NT Adrahil Jun 2018 #22

RandySF

(59,264 posts)
1. Reproductive choice is in the crosshairs
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 04:08 AM
Jun 2018

but I am not sure about marriage equality. Didn't Roberts even join the majority in a case?

OnDoutside

(19,974 posts)
4. Relentless, devious hard work by the RWNJs ? Coupled with moderates and the left not being properly
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 04:43 AM
Jun 2018

engaged with the political process. There are enough independents and Democrats to beat them back if they just GOTV.

Initech

(100,104 posts)
16. As I have said before, it can take centuries to build a reputation and a nest egg.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 09:33 AM
Jun 2018

And one jackass with a wrecking ball and a trip to Vegas to blow it all!

Behind the Aegis

(53,991 posts)
3. Yes to both.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 04:25 AM
Jun 2018

One only has to look to the various laws looking to exclude GLBT people to see that our rights are on the line. However, I don't think many will be as outraged if they start rolling them back. GLBT issues are still very much a wedge issue.

Mike Nelson

(9,968 posts)
6. This is how it will go...
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 05:23 AM
Jun 2018

… abortion rights would be ended. They have been chipping away, so the new SC will look at the totality and determine it was "bad law." On marriage equality, the chipping away stage will begin with "religious liberty" (translation: religious bigotry) being the reason. After the chipping away stage, it will going away, too - with a right-wing SC.

Even worse, voting rights will be further restricted. Not only did Hillary Clinton win the 2016 vote, adding up the non-Presidential totals for Congress show Democrats should be running Congress! Republicans will be trying to restrict more voting. they will use the courts to pick their voters.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
8. Women's rights and gay rights
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 05:47 AM
Jun 2018

Will be attacked by his pick. They'll feed him a list of people that'll accomplish that for them too. It'll be up to some in the GOP to finally say goodbye to their party, and join the Democrats against them . There's many within their party that are fed up with where he's taken them, and how he's doing, so now is the time to stand up for the America we know, not pro russian putin hugging trump and mitch mcconnell.

no_hypocrisy

(46,202 posts)
11. The individual rights won't all be necessarily taken away immediately.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 06:47 AM
Jun 2018

The USSC has to incrementally weaken them and that takes time. With exceptions where the precedent has been already weakened, then it's easier to overturn a prior standard/decision, such as abortion.

Unless Trump packs the lower federal courts with activist judges who overrule precedent in a wholesale way. But that would never happen, right . . . . ?

Whiskeytide

(4,463 posts)
13. Perhaps. But that assumes the norms apply...
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 08:28 AM
Jun 2018

... The norms don’t really apply anymore. State AGs (in the usual states) and special interests organizations will press cases to the SC as quickly as they can, seeing the opportunity. Quite a few issues are likely to make their way to a decision over the next 5 years.

The Court has traditionally been occupied by justices who felt they were “jurists first, political ideologues second”. Politics has always been a big part of it, but most “leaned” this way or that, and they had an institutional respect for precedent and impartiality. Many times justices have voted contrary to what you might expect given their political position, but did so because they felt the law required them to. I think that mindset has gone by the wayside, at least for the Republicans, and it is a “my team must win” mentality now.

We saw it here in Alabama when the state SC was taken over in the late 90s. Things cheanged pretty dramatically virtually overnight.

Runningdawg

(4,522 posts)
12. All healthcare
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 06:55 AM
Jun 2018

universal, medicare, medicaid, disability, CHIP.....ALL of it is on the target with abortion being the bullseye. I can see the "religious rights" argument becoming less about cakes and flowers and more about who deserves health insurance coverage, an ambulance, police protection or to have their home and life saved by the fire dept.

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
17. Yes and they will...I am hoping my Gay daughter can get a job in Canada...she needs to get out of
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 09:33 AM
Jun 2018

this country for her own safety.

OnDoutside

(19,974 posts)
20. I would like to know the percentage of Republican women who are Pro Choice ? Looking at the Pew
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 09:48 AM
Jun 2018

Research from this time last year http://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/

The overall is 57-43 in favour of abortion in some or all cases.

Republicans are against abortion by 65-35, or rather, 35% support it. And that's a key figure in the fight.

Women overall support Abortion Rights by 59-41.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
21. Incidentally.
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 10:41 AM
Jun 2018

Those things were just red meat for the base, but while they're looting the Treasury, Social Security, undermining wages and regulations, why not make the country look as fascist as it will be? It's not as though the Supreme Court can't pick and choose its battles.

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