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kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:30 AM Jun 2018

The Democratic Party is the "big tent" Party.

Unlike the Republicans who are shackled to Donald Trump.

In the Democratic Party, there is room for liberals, moderates, conservatives, socialists, and even, former Republicans.

The Republican Party cannot say the same. If you do not support Donald Trump, there is no room in their Party for you. They are not a "big tent" Party.

They are a pup tent.

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The Democratic Party is the "big tent" Party. (Original Post) kentuck Jun 2018 OP
why we need to see the moderate republicans flock to democrats both as voters and candidates beachbum bob Jun 2018 #1
This is how WE The People win. The only way WE win. Hortensis Jun 2018 #11
+1000 Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #33
K&R nt NCTraveler Jun 2018 #2
The republicans are a tent... N_E_1 for Tennis Jun 2018 #3
Except this is the reason we're getting criticized for not coming up with a clear message. Baitball Blogger Jun 2018 #4
Life is not as simple as Republicans want it to be. kentuck Jun 2018 #5
Is it compromise? Or has the party historically thrown some of its supporters under the bus? Baitball Blogger Jun 2018 #6
Hopefully we have learned from the past... kentuck Jun 2018 #7
My vote will always be Democratic, but, we need to talk truths, since we Baitball Blogger Jun 2018 #8
I think that is the job of leadership. kentuck Jun 2018 #9
This win from Alexandria Octavia-Cortez opened my eyes. Baitball Blogger Jun 2018 #10
She will not advance her agenda in the Congress in my opinion. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #31
We have let them frame issues since I remember awesomerwb1 Jun 2018 #34
They can reach their voters with just two words. Baitball Blogger Jun 2018 #37
Not true...there is no one message but health care minimum wage...social security etc. all Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #15
As good as those objectives are, they are helping the right see us as the Baitball Blogger Jun 2018 #18
Isn't it time to say? kentuck Jun 2018 #27
If they join the Democratic Party absolutely...but if they choose the independent route than no. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #30
Healthcare is why we are winning and the tea party held signs that said 'get your Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #36
Messaging. Baitball Blogger Jun 2018 #38
The platform will not work in red states. Thus we need to tailor or message...this year, we are Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #41
+1 Baitball Blogger Jun 2018 #47
People don't know what socialism is. Public funding is not synonymous with socialism. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #43
Democrats have "A Better Deal" NewJeffCT Jun 2018 #20
You know, NJCT, I think the reason why the right is more successful with this is that Baitball Blogger Jun 2018 #22
In my opinion, they have been more successful because of the loyalty of their voters. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #29
Their party has been able to dehumanize us, so they stopped listening. Baitball Blogger Jun 2018 #35
The eminent domain issue NewJeffCT Jun 2018 #39
I doubt any of them do. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #42
Messaging has always been a problem for Democrats. octoberlib Jun 2018 #40
But I am not ONLY anti-republican... Ferrets are Cool Jun 2018 #25
We just need to shine a light on where our pro-human being platform Baitball Blogger Jun 2018 #32
And GOP holds kidnapped babies in tent cities in the desert. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #12
And that is why we will win this time world wide wally Jun 2018 #13
we babble big tent, not sure of the reality dembotoz Jun 2018 #14
Look at the Senate...tell me how you get a majority without moderates to conservatives. It is not Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #16
i continue to find folks who find no home in this party dembotoz Jun 2018 #19
What has that to do with the Senate...and the Bernie folks vs the party meme...is divisive. Either Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #23
I get it now...you feel Bernie supporters don't have a place in the big tent...I have not seen that. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #26
i sure as hell have. most recently ganging up and putting down more lefty views then theirs dembotoz Jun 2018 #45
Is this your local party? I have never seen any left views put down...and I live in Ohio...I did Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #46
next county over...was at an event and saw it with my own peepers dembotoz Jun 2018 #48
I'm not sure we're babbling about it anymore Blue_Adept Jun 2018 #24
Yep octoberlib Jun 2018 #17
Well said. PatrickforO Jun 2018 #21
I am also...and have done so for years. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #28
We need to win the independents and non-affiliateds over FakeNoose Jun 2018 #44
 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
1. why we need to see the moderate republicans flock to democrats both as voters and candidates
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:54 AM
Jun 2018

we would crush the GOP almost everywhere if that happens

Baitball Blogger

(46,757 posts)
4. Except this is the reason we're getting criticized for not coming up with a clear message.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:15 AM
Jun 2018

Because we can't. So much compromising takes place that the only thing we're good at is being the anti-Republican party.

That's not enough.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
5. Life is not as simple as Republicans want it to be.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:20 AM
Jun 2018

It is complex and requires compromise in order to make progress and to keep our nation together.

Baitball Blogger

(46,757 posts)
6. Is it compromise? Or has the party historically thrown some of its supporters under the bus?
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:25 AM
Jun 2018

I think the answer is to look at the changing demographics, since the growing brown and black numbers are the biggest threat to Republicans. That's why they are being targeted. Black Americans are getting culled by our police departments, if not by gun, then by felony charges. And Latinos are getting stopped at the border.

Liberals are also targeted because they get demonized.

And, the day Asian Americans commit to the Democratic party, they will be targeted as well. IMHO.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
7. Hopefully we have learned from the past...
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:28 AM
Jun 2018

....as we should learn from the present.

We do not need a one-trick pony like Donald Trump. Either you agree with us or go somewhere else.

Baitball Blogger

(46,757 posts)
8. My vote will always be Democratic, but, we need to talk truths, since we
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:40 AM
Jun 2018

will pay for any misinformation we might spread, albeit, unwittingly.

It's easy to see it when they do it, though we don't take advantage of the opportunities they give us. For example, why don't we have someone on Alex Jones watch to catch all of the misinformation he spreads about Democrats, so we can counter with the truth? Conservatives repeat his demonizing statements and there's no program the Dems have to counter loudly with the truth.

i.e. they say that Democrats are in favor of open borders, which helps their side dismiss us. How is it that they keep framing our platform like that, and no one steps up to correct them? We should start doing that NOW, instead of waiting.

If we keep doing this, by the time we make it to election time our platform and message will be very clear.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
9. I think that is the job of leadership.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:05 AM
Jun 2018

I would agree with those that argue that we need to change leadership more often in the Democratic Party. We become stagnant without new blood, in my opinion.

Baitball Blogger

(46,757 posts)
10. This win from Alexandria Octavia-Cortez opened my eyes.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:16 AM
Jun 2018

Though she has such hard left -open borders - beliefs that I can see how that would get in the way of making it up the leadership ranks.

Something like open borders is just not taking in the facts of where we are today. You need to add something in there to show that you realize that some monitoring is necessary.

Demsrule86

(68,644 posts)
31. She will not advance her agenda in the Congress in my opinion.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:23 AM
Jun 2018

But running for office and governing are two different things. Again Congrats on her win...may she serve well and honorably.

awesomerwb1

(4,268 posts)
34. We have let them frame issues since I remember
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:26 AM
Jun 2018

As you mentioned, "open borders". What the fuck is that? We have points of entry and every immigration bill we have supported in the last 15 years or so increases the amount of border patrol agents and technology CONSIDERABLY.

I would say to any of those stupid teatrumper TV pundits, "if you think we have open borders now, I dare you to try and sneak through the border without getting caught".

They came up with "open borders", "chain migration", etc.

There is no such thing as "open borders". There is no such thing as the Dems advocating for "open borders". It's ridiculous and we let them get away with it.





Demsrule86

(68,644 posts)
15. Not true...there is no one message but health care minimum wage...social security etc. all
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:52 AM
Jun 2018

play well most places.

Baitball Blogger

(46,757 posts)
18. As good as those objectives are, they are helping the right see us as the
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:00 AM
Jun 2018

socialist party. I don't have a problem supporting good programs which are socialist in nature, but we need to broaden that foundation. We are much more.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
27. Isn't it time to say?
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:17 AM
Jun 2018

That there is room in our Party for socialists, especially Democratic Socialists, similar to the European models?

Demsrule86

(68,644 posts)
30. If they join the Democratic Party absolutely...but if they choose the independent route than no.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:22 AM
Jun 2018

A big tent needs to reflect all points of view.

Demsrule86

(68,644 posts)
36. Healthcare is why we are winning and the tea party held signs that said 'get your
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:27 AM
Jun 2018

government hands off my Medicare'. So I don't agree...open borders yes that won't play. How exactly would you 'broaden' the foundation?

Demsrule86

(68,644 posts)
41. The platform will not work in red states. Thus we need to tailor or message...this year, we are
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:36 AM
Jun 2018

going after moderate to conservative seats so health care plays well and has been very effective in moderate to conservative areas in the specials. We are a big tent. Even our platform will not work everywhere...the last time we had a majority was when Dead ran his 50 state strategy...often using local issues. Tailoring messages for different states and districts. That is how we win.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
43. People don't know what socialism is. Public funding is not synonymous with socialism.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:40 AM
Jun 2018

A minimum wage is not socialism. Scandinavian countries are not socialist nations. There's a great deal of ignorance when it comes to socialism.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
20. Democrats have "A Better Deal"
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:08 AM
Jun 2018

but, it's way too long to summarize in a series of talking points for the Nightly News or on Twitter.

I liked this one I saw a few weeks ago:


?s=19

Baitball Blogger

(46,757 posts)
22. You know, NJCT, I think the reason why the right is more successful with this is that
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:12 AM
Jun 2018

they know how to humanize their issues - or dehumanize them.

I like all the issues that are mentioned in that tweet, but it's like reading something on the internet on a discussion board in the nineties, versus pushing your points with all the graphics available today.

Maybe we need a marketing firm to help us with this?

Demsrule86

(68,644 posts)
29. In my opinion, they have been more successful because of the loyalty of their voters.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:20 AM
Jun 2018

They will vote for almost anyone with an 'R' next to his /her name.

Baitball Blogger

(46,757 posts)
35. Their party has been able to dehumanize us, so they stopped listening.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:26 AM
Jun 2018

How many of them even know that it was conservative Supreme Court justices who supported eminent domain to benefit a private real estate firm? This is pure evil to the right-wing anti-government faction.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
39. The eminent domain issue
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:33 AM
Jun 2018

Kelo vs New London was also pushed for by then governor John Rowland, a conservative (for Connecticut) Republican

Demsrule86

(68,644 posts)
42. I doubt any of them do.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:37 AM
Jun 2018

But I see lots of issues people agree with us on ...the problem is they have to be voting issues.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
40. Messaging has always been a problem for Democrats.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:34 AM
Jun 2018

We rely on logic but GOP messaging uses emotion just like advertising agencies do to sell products. Republicans gin up outrage. Actually getting young people to the polls has always been and will always be our biggest problem during the mid-terms.

Baitball Blogger

(46,757 posts)
32. We just need to shine a light on where our pro-human being platform
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:24 AM
Jun 2018

exposes the right for the insensitive clods they are -- where even they would agree.

Demsrule86

(68,644 posts)
16. Look at the Senate...tell me how you get a majority without moderates to conservatives. It is not
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:53 AM
Jun 2018

possible at t his moment.

dembotoz

(16,826 posts)
19. i continue to find folks who find no home in this party
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:08 AM
Jun 2018

i see bernie folks actively excluded....in one local party in particular.

didn't believe it til i saw it actually happening
i was shocked

Demsrule86

(68,644 posts)
23. What has that to do with the Senate...and the Bernie folks vs the party meme...is divisive. Either
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:13 AM
Jun 2018

they are Democrats or they are not...if they are Democrats, they have a home...if you are referring to Stein supporters...they made their choice. I am seriously not interested in those who still call themselves 'Sanders supporters' this long after 16 unless they hail from Vermont.

Demsrule86

(68,644 posts)
26. I get it now...you feel Bernie supporters don't have a place in the big tent...I have not seen that.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:16 AM
Jun 2018

If you would like to explain the circumstances, I could understand better...where I volunteer...all you need is to be breathing and follow the few rules concerning voter contact.

dembotoz

(16,826 posts)
45. i sure as hell have. most recently ganging up and putting down more lefty views then theirs
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:46 AM
Jun 2018

writing clearly on the wall...you are not welcome here...take your marbles and go home

and she did

Demsrule86

(68,644 posts)
46. Is this your local party? I have never seen any left views put down...and I live in Ohio...I did
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:56 AM
Jun 2018

see a kid who came in ranting about Hillary Clinton asked to stop or leave as the 2016 election was over. Also, He wanted free tuition to be the centerpiece of our local elections...not working in this part of Ohio. So what views were so alarming to the party? I mean I want some sort of tuition fix...but know what works here.

dembotoz

(16,826 posts)
48. next county over...was at an event and saw it with my own peepers
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 12:37 PM
Jun 2018

these folks are out to be very good germans

first time i heard of this it was with a friend during the obama thing.....she told me about it and i did not believe her
she is not a raving lefty...she was the best authority on obama care i ever met....

after i saw it happen again not 2 weeks ago i wrote my friend and apology....

hell i wouldn't join that county party either.....

Blue_Adept

(6,400 posts)
24. I'm not sure we're babbling about it anymore
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:14 AM
Jun 2018

Depending on where you look to get your pulse of what makes up the Democratic party, perhaps.

Around these parts, we've veered heavily into tribalism the last couple of years after the various purges of members.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
17. Yep
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:55 AM
Jun 2018




The concern-trolling over Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s upset is really peak, as if Democrats are at all uneased by a 28-year-old Latina winning a race that portends well for November enthusiasm-wise

PatrickforO

(14,586 posts)
21. Well said.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:09 AM
Jun 2018

We've got to be careful, though, not to let the media divide us.

Lots of stories out today about progressive candidates winning and about how that implies some kind of 'civil war' within the Democratic party.

Remember, though, that:
1. The media is about ratings - if there isn't any controversy they generate some to gin up the ratings.
2. Our founders set up this government to require vigorous debate pretty much at all levels. This slows progress, but it also prevents us from going in the wrong direction really fast, like we are under this orange dictator.

I'm voting straight Dem.



FakeNoose

(32,726 posts)
44. We need to win the independents and non-affiliateds over
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:42 AM
Jun 2018

Even if people don't join the Democratic Party (for whatever reason) that's OK as long as they vote with us. In 2016 too many of them went the other way, and now we're trying to fix that disaster.

Try reaching out on social media - not DU where we're safe and polite - and post your liberal/progressive views so others can reach out to you. There is a lot of hatred out there, but there are also a few thinking people who can be convinced. It's hard work and not very rewarding, but you never know when you might actually change somebody's mind.

I was an independent non-affiliated voter for many years until 2008 when I joined the Democratic Party in order to vote for Hillary in the primary. I never regretted my decision and I know that I will never vote for a Republican. But I can understand how some people have lost their way and gotten caught up in the campaign bullshit, not really paying attention to what Trump was doing to the country. Many people are ready to leave him in droves if we can give them the right message.

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