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Voltaire2

(13,123 posts)
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 06:55 AM Jun 2018

What Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Victory Means


Democratic voters in New York’s 14th Congressional District delivered a shock to the political system Tuesday night, rejecting the fourth-ranking member of the party’s House leadership, Representative Joseph Crowley, in favor of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a 28-year-old former Bernie Sanders campaign organizer who has called for abolishing the nation’s immigration and customs enforcement agency.

In doing so, voters delivered a message to Democrats and Republicans across the country, and perhaps in Albany: The liberal base is fired up, showing up at the polls, and may be ignored only at great political risk.

Ms. Ocasio-Cortez’s victory is a vivid sign of the changing of the guard. In addition to more liberal immigration laws, she ran on a platform calling for Medicare for all and a federal jobs guarantee. She also talked about the housing crisis in New York City, an issue that resonates deeply with many voters here. Her district, which runs through Queens and the Bronx, is majority-minority, but its leadership has yet to reflect those changes. That’s something Ms. Ocasio-Cortez was able to capitalize on fluently, casting herself as part of a new generation of young, unabashedly liberal Democrats unwilling to wait their turn any longer.

Many told Ms. Ocasio-Cortez she was crazy for challenging Mr. Crowley, a 10-term incumbent who had ambitions to succeed the House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of California. As chairman of the Queens County Democratic Party, Mr. Crowley, 56, was a kingmaker in New York City politics. At his annual holiday party, city officials were expected to perform karaoke, singing and dancing on the stage to a song of Mr. Crowley’s choosing.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/27/opinion/-alexandra-ocasio-cortez-democrat-crowley.html
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What Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Victory Means (Original Post) Voltaire2 Jun 2018 OP
let us hope the dem party supports the winner of the primary dembotoz Jun 2018 #1
Huge Democratic district. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #3
She will win and it won't be close oberliner Jun 2018 #58
I was for Crowley, but Cortez is an excellent choice, I read up on her. Blue_true Jun 2018 #82
Why wouldn't they? You don't think any real Democrats would be so Squinch Jun 2018 #180
REAL Democrats will support her NastyRiffraff Jun 2018 #212
real democrats? would you have voted for sheriff david clarke in milwaukee.....on ballot as a dem dembotoz Jun 2018 #220
Yeah, Real Dems.. who don't vote for 3rd Fucking parties. Cha Jun 2018 #234
It's BLUE Democratic District.. 25% repubs. Cha Jun 2018 #232
And as long as no one brands her with Our Revolution... Orsino Jun 2018 #2
lulzd Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #5
Laughing out loud? I fail to understand the response. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #149
That would be lold Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #157
Old-timey dems? 2016 Hillary won this district. She welcomed voters old & young Wwcd Jun 2018 #12
And I hope that old-timey Dems will be pleased. Orsino Jun 2018 #13
Yes. Perhaps Cortez's endorsers & supporters should give credit, when quoting her winning platform. Wwcd Jun 2018 #17
I am proud to wear the old-timer label. Orsino Jun 2018 #19
I'm an old time human but a proud supporter of hard left, strong progressive candidates. Magoo48 Jun 2018 #33
Hillary is busy getting Dems support through her speeches & fundraising Wwcd Jun 2018 #50
Well, obviously, she's not an honest person. theaocp Jun 2018 #61
Guess no one knows then? Wwcd Jun 2018 #85
Sure. theaocp Jun 2018 #89
She and Bernie are still doing goodwork;it's time for a changing of the guard. That is no disrespect Magoo48 Jun 2018 #111
+1000 (nt) ehrnst Jun 2018 #154
The Bernie connection zipplewrath Jun 2018 #32
True. Especially in a district that soundly supported HRC. Wwcd Jun 2018 #52
No, we don't. theaocp Jun 2018 #65
Sounds like pretty poor Dems, then, heya? theaocp Jun 2018 #64
Dunno zipplewrath Jun 2018 #110
Anybody farts in the general direction of Manchin and there's a battle to be joined. theaocp Jun 2018 #114
Wounds run deep zipplewrath Jun 2018 #116
Agreed, what's with all the cult-like worship. H and B had their run. Let's turn it over. Was our Magoo48 Jun 2018 #120
So do the Russian bots who gin up divisions that don't exist. Squinch Jun 2018 #183
Sounds like you guys are making up a division that doesn't exist, heya? But keep it up. It Squinch Jun 2018 #184
Just making sure. theaocp Jun 2018 #186
Are you ginning up divisions that don't exist? Therein lies your answer. Squinch Jun 2018 #190
Some have claimed such. theaocp Jun 2018 #192
That sounds like an admission of something. Squinch Jun 2018 #194
What is this? theaocp Jun 2018 #196
Bingo SharonClark Jun 2018 #188
The Jimmy Dore connection is more of a concern. That's not the "future" of Dems. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2018 #91
If 'Hillary supporters' in her district do not turn out pangaia Jun 2018 #101
She wasn't endorsed by Bernie, which I find interesting. ehrnst Jun 2018 #118
What do you think that means? n/t theaocp Jun 2018 #133
I know that he didn't endorse his son's congressional candidacy, or Arturo Carmona's ehrnst Jun 2018 #135
You didn't answer the question. n/t theaocp Jun 2018 #137
I don't know what it means. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2018 #138
Okay. Why do you find it interesting? n/t theaocp Jun 2018 #140
For the reasons that I gave. ehrnst Jun 2018 #143
You seriously just linked to your comments in this thread? theaocp Jun 2018 #145
You seemed to not have read my posts where I answered your questions. ehrnst Jun 2018 #148
I didn't catch where you explained why you thought it was interesting. theaocp Jun 2018 #152
Again - she is a former campaign organizer for him. And he does endorse candidates for Congress. ehrnst Jun 2018 #153
Holy gawd, I get that CAN be interesting. theaocp Jun 2018 #155
The fish aren't biting. ehrnst Jun 2018 #160
Don't want to explain, then? theaocp Jun 2018 #161
Hahahahahahaha ehrnst Jun 2018 #162
hahahahahahah theaocp Jun 2018 #163
Honey, you are so out of your league. ehrnst Jun 2018 #164
Bless your heart, honey. n/t theaocp Jun 2018 #166
I found it clear mythology Jun 2018 #165
Yeah, or you could just explain why you found it interesting. theaocp Jun 2018 #168
I think you're quite willing to interpret something someone didn't say ehrnst Jun 2018 #171
Couldn't say. theaocp Jun 2018 #172
Hahahahahahaha ehrnst Jun 2018 #174
You still can't back up what you said without linking to yourself. theaocp Jun 2018 #176
Still trying to double down, I see. ehrnst Jun 2018 #177
Yes, I think you're not the only one who found it clear... ehrnst Jun 2018 #170
Just change your name to "Trying to be coy" and be done with it. n/t theaocp Jun 2018 #173
Hahahahahahaha. ehrnst Jun 2018 #175
True. This isn't even about bernie sanders. Wwcd Jun 2018 #142
That's not how real Democrats work. Hillary supporters don't Squinch Jun 2018 #182
PUMA zipplewrath Jun 2018 #187
Booing at conventions. What does that stand for? Squinch Jun 2018 #189
Roughly the same thing zipplewrath Jun 2018 #191
That slim majority is absolutely necessary to preventing the end of the Republic as we know it. Squinch Jun 2018 #193
So, alienating allies may not be expedient? theaocp Jun 2018 #195
Distinguishing between allies and bots is important. And usually pretty easy. Squinch Jun 2018 #197
Great. I'm a fucking host. theaocp Jun 2018 #198
That's lovely for you. Your mother must be proud. Squinch Jun 2018 #199
Yea, let's bring my mom into this. theaocp Jun 2018 #200
I know what ya mean zipplewrath Jun 2018 #201
And they can respond to the results of those investigations. We can't do either now. Squinch Jun 2018 #204
For various values of respond zipplewrath Jun 2018 #209
Sure, let's keep insinuating. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #45
Good grief. Ghost Dog Jun 2018 #223
I am an old timey-dem. No idea about that which you speak.....about..... pangaia Jun 2018 #96
Two words: Affordability crisis BeyondGeography Jun 2018 #4
And nothing will be done about it in Washington...it is not going to happen. So then what? Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #37
If that's your answer why even field a slate of candidates? BeyondGeography Jun 2018 #51
Property rights are property rights. Blue_true Jun 2018 #108
So maybe we shouldn't take money from REIT moguls BeyondGeography Jun 2018 #115
Look, I like where your heart is. Blue_true Jun 2018 #121
No, she found and issue and one...fine. However, this issue will not be decided in Washington. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #128
This is my take. Blue_true Jun 2018 #98
Yes tough issue, but here is what a lot of voters will do BeyondGeography Jun 2018 #105
I don't disagree with you. Blue_true Jun 2018 #119
There's three legs on this affordability crisis stool BeyondGeography Jun 2018 #122
So you keep describing problems. I am aware of the problems. Blue_true Jun 2018 #123
Medicare for all, tax reform, equal pay... BeyondGeography Jun 2018 #130
You just keep ringing out buzzwords, but no how to solutions. nt Blue_true Jun 2018 #217
Zoning changes and mass transit can help. MarvinGardens Jun 2018 #159
Good ideas. Blue_true Jun 2018 #219
She ran in a blue state. This won't play in Missouri or West Virginian folks... Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #6
It doesn't have to play in Missouri or West Virginia.. whathehell Jun 2018 #30
Right but without red states, we don't have a majority...it is a Democratic seat. I wish we could Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #39
Sure, but what is your point? whathehell Jun 2018 #43
My point is that the money spent on this primary this year could have been used to flip Republican Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #78
Yeah, well, I guess they didn't see it that way.. whathehell Jun 2018 #94
Maybe not...thanks for the snark for what was a polite, respectful post. Have a nice day. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #124
It means we have a Democrat going into the general. NCTraveler Jun 2018 #7
huh? Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #8
I'm well aware. Nt NCTraveler Jun 2018 #10
Or you could just say 'thank you'. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #11
I'm not sure why you are requesting to be thanked. NCTraveler Jun 2018 #14
lulzd Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #15
+1 NCTraveler Jun 2018 #16
Do you understand the Trump is tweeting about this. He is overjoyed...gives the rest of Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #42
Oh please. Turd shits these tweets out all night long, every night. Who gives a damn? lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #46
Ok...timing is everything. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #62
So your source as for why it's bad Crowley lost the primary is Donald Fucking Trump. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2018 #55
No one said...that. But when Trump is happy with an outcome...it makes me nervous. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #63
Well, Trump might well tweet tomorrow that he likes Crowley. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2018 #67
That will never happen. He hates Crowley. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #80
Some of us remember 1974 when a whole Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #70
I was 8, so it is a vague memory. But, yes. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2018 #76
I am to young too remember that,but I am interested in history. Six years later in 1980 Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #87
You should read up on what they did. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #158
What did they do? Reagan still won in 80 and took the Senate...setting us up for the Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #179
Wow. He must be really upset. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #71
What? It is merely and observation. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #90
He is happy about it which makes me unhappy...I despise Trump and want him as miserable as possible. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #126
What are Cortez's political accomplishments? Wwcd Jun 2018 #18
+1 NCTraveler Jun 2018 #20
#1: Not (yet) corrupted by corporate cronyism? Ghost Dog Jun 2018 #36
Well Jimmy Dore is pretty corporate. Media & money is quite embedding in choosing sides for us. Wwcd Jun 2018 #48
How did Jimmy Dore come into this? n/t theaocp Jun 2018 #72
She claimed he is a friend of hers. Wwcd Jun 2018 #84
Um, okay. theaocp Jun 2018 #86
Giving voice to the voiceless IronLionZion Jun 2018 #49
Yes thank you. That's what the Democratic Party has always done. Wwcd Jun 2018 #57
Or what? n/t theaocp Jun 2018 #77
Yes. Fuck all young people that want to run for office. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2018 #56
I hope you are not serious. Wwcd Jun 2018 #68
Of course I'm not serious. But look at the "she's young and has done nothing" posts here. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2018 #73
Cuz folks just have to refight the primaries. theaocp Jun 2018 #81
Whose refighting the primaries. You'd think she'd be honored to name the woman who she quoted. Wwcd Jun 2018 #93
You're inferring she's ignoring doing that on purpose. theaocp Jun 2018 #113
You're inferring that I inferred ...I did no such thing. Wwcd Jun 2018 #131
I need a code to decode all your coded language. theaocp Jun 2018 #134
For "inferred" read "implied" n/t Ghost Dog Jun 2018 #224
Clinton wasn't the first person ever to say that. Mariana Jun 2018 #214
Ummm.. Yes she was. Attribution for this quote goes to HRC Wwcd Jun 2018 #222
Women's rights are human rights mia Jun 2018 #228
BUZZZZ Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2018 #230
Actually, I questioned your credibility, not Clinton's. Mariana Jun 2018 #235
That is a flat out lie. Wwcd Jun 2018 #236
She just stomped a 20-year-incumbent who outspent her 18:1 BeyondGeography Jun 2018 #59
Yes she did. Her campaign platformis amazingly similar to HRC's. And it makes sense that she would Wwcd Jun 2018 #79
Can we PLEASE respect the candidate that won and not make this about HRC? Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2018 #83
Cort3z used HRC's historic quote in her Campaign Platform. Wwcd Jun 2018 #97
She used her quotation. Isn't that honoring her? Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2018 #104
It is of course and should be sufficient. N/t Ghost Dog Jun 2018 #225
Well, she only won because Crowley sucked, apparently. Mariana Jun 2018 #215
You think voters in NY 14 said, "Thank you for embracing HRC's platform?" BeyondGeography Jun 2018 #95
It's all about HRC. Don't you realize that? Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2018 #106
No its not. Its about the use of a quote. Wwcd Jun 2018 #132
Hahahahahaha theaocp Jun 2018 #136
Yes. EVERYTHING she accomplished is because of one quotation. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2018 #139
No its not. Its about one quote. Wwcd Jun 2018 #144
Exactly. You are making this big deal about one quote. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2018 #146
Really? I asked for HRC to be given credit for the quote Cortez used in her platform on women. Wwcd Jun 2018 #151
Awesome. Can you show where HRC gave Maxwell and/or Medina credit? Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2018 #229
You'll wait a long time, I think. nt. Mariana Jun 2018 #233
No one cares about the bloody quote tkmorris Jun 2018 #205
Wrong. Wwcd cares about the bloody quote Mariana Jun 2018 #218
"The same as our more popular democratic socialist" Docreed2003 Jun 2018 #99
I think it's encouraging that a young person has stepped up and been successful. Vinca Jun 2018 #9
Who wrote her resounding campaign platform? Wwcd Jun 2018 #21
I don't know . . . who wrote it? Vinca Jun 2018 #23
It should work both ways then. However, it didn't in the most critical election of our lifetime. Wwcd Jun 2018 #41
Can we please set aside the bitterness and work together, or are we waiting for a REAL crisis? lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #47
👍 Duppers Jun 2018 #22
I May be an Old Timer True Blue American Jun 2018 #24
Yeah. We want a party that relates to voters of every age. Orsino Jun 2018 #216
Crowley was Number 4-ranking Democrat in House? yallerdawg Jun 2018 #25
Yep. The media will spin anything and everything they can to try to discourage Democrats Freethinker65 Jun 2018 #29
Flying under the radar? oberliner Jun 2018 #60
Who else went to the border? yallerdawg Jun 2018 #109
Media-savvy. N/t Ghost Dog Jun 2018 #227
crowley blew off debates and paid the price. Arrogance will cost you beachbum bob Jun 2018 #26
He was down on the border fighting for the kids...in my opinion more important. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #66
Did he ask her to go down there with him? exboyfil Jun 2018 #206
Was he? exboyfil Jun 2018 #207
She's also a millennial, and we ignore them at our peril. Lonestarblue Jun 2018 #27
Yes, but we only need to appeal to conservative or moderate indpendents.... vi5 Jun 2018 #31
They do exist in red and purple states where we need to take seats and flip the house. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #75
Good. It's a blue district....no excuse for anything other than a solid progressive. vi5 Jun 2018 #28
These Tuesday morning quarter backs are just so full of it in their poitical analysis based on still_one Jun 2018 #34
Well, now I know why he lost. Baitball Blogger Jun 2018 #35
Exactly. Sounds like Crowley got too full of himself. nt Persondem Jun 2018 #40
Zeroing in on that as the reason he lost is odd. Music, singing and dancing are part of his life. George II Jun 2018 #92
I live in a small town where social networks corrupt the objectivity of public employees. Baitball Blogger Jun 2018 #107
What it... Mike Nelson Jun 2018 #38
Crowley no longer calls the tunes, but Pelosi has lost one rival. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #44
I like her ismnotwasm Jun 2018 #53
The association with Our Revolution and the Sarandon late entry did cause me pause. Blue_true Jun 2018 #112
I keep saying my Rep is Pramilla Jayapal ismnotwasm Jun 2018 #147
I believe that Ms. Ocasio-Cortez will be a great candidate. As far as I'm concerned, ladjf Jun 2018 #54
This analysis is 100 percent wrong oberliner Jun 2018 #69
Lulzd. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #74
Lulzd. ehrnst Jun 2018 #88
I don't know what that means oberliner Jun 2018 #100
She does spout off certain OR crap ismnotwasm Jun 2018 #102
I think she'll be great oberliner Jun 2018 #117
True. ismnotwasm Jun 2018 #167
It means LOL Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #150
Gotcha oberliner Jun 2018 #169
I didn't see anything funny either. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #178
i dont care who won as long as they can win in Nov.. samnsara Jun 2018 #103
K&R ck4829 Jun 2018 #125
NY-14 is a safe district and a place where the demographics have changed. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #127
Means she won more votes. Next. awesomerwb1 Jun 2018 #129
She ran a vigorous campaign that spoke to the voters MineralMan Jun 2018 #141
The sour grapes on this thread is strangely satisfying IronLionZion Jun 2018 #156
I am LOVING seeing the centrists and pundit class fumble their way through this one... welivetotreadonkings Jun 2018 #181
"Exploit identity politics?" You mean fight for civil rights, don't you? I'm LOVING seeing the Squinch Jun 2018 #185
I've got nothing but respect for people who fought for civil rights. welivetotreadonkings Jun 2018 #213
I don't get all the negativity and concern trolling and refighting 2016 in this thread SharonClark Jun 2018 #202
Various explanations zipplewrath Jun 2018 #210
It means all politics is local. muntrv Jun 2018 #203
HRC did not invent "women's rights are human rights." torius Jun 2018 #208
What it means is that more Democrats voted for her than voted for Crowley. No more, no less. George II Jun 2018 #211
kick Dawson Leery Jun 2018 #221
Never knew anything about him before Tiggeroshii Jun 2018 #226
It's big because we need young, progressive leaders in the Party mvd Jun 2018 #231

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
82. I was for Crowley, but Cortez is an excellent choice, I read up on her.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:37 AM
Jun 2018

Democrats need to support her 1000%.

Squinch

(50,993 posts)
180. Why wouldn't they? You don't think any real Democrats would be so
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 12:45 PM
Jun 2018

stupid as to boo any other Democrats at any conventions or anything, do you? That was only fake Democrats who did that in 2016, and all those rats left the ship after they chewed a hole in the side.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
212. REAL Democrats will support her
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 01:54 PM
Jun 2018

Just as we support any Democratic nominee. REAL Democrats don't withhold their votes because the candidate doesn't agree with them on every little thing. REAL Democrats don't boo at conventions to disrupt because they're unhappy with the nominee.

Why would you even ask that question?

Cha

(297,562 posts)
234. Yeah, Real Dems.. who don't vote for 3rd Fucking parties.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:12 PM
Jun 2018

They're Team Players for the Good of our Country and our Planet.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
2. And as long as no one brands her with Our Revolution...
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:06 AM
Jun 2018

...she shouldn't frighten too many old-timey Dems.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
12. Old-timey dems? 2016 Hillary won this district. She welcomed voters old & young
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:28 AM
Jun 2018

They applauded Clinton on her brilliant platform of creating a nation of solar & renewable energy for the future, as well as her advocacy for the rights of LGBTQ, & all races, creeds, color & beliefs.

Securing an easier path to citizenship, and making voting rights a simple & more efficient process as well as ending Citizens United, to name a few.
She resoundingly secured votes with her sound promise of continuing on her iconic speech in Bejing UN Conference of 1995, where she bravely stepped forward to proclaim "Women's Rights are Human Rights once & for all."


Who wrote Cortez's well received platform for her?
Just wondering.

It was stunningly similar. Should Cortez stay with the platform of her campaign she won't have to worry about the likes of Jimmy Dore hanging around as a one time friend, ...Dore hated Hillary ..and every Democrat that walked the earth.
He hated & mocked her beautiful positive campaign platform.
So I hope he's not as slanderous towards Cortez since her ideals of her campaign platform align so similar to HRC's.

"Women's Rights are Human Rights" ~ hrc 1995 UN Bejing
Thanks Hillary 🍃



Orsino

(37,428 posts)
13. And I hope that old-timey Dems will be pleased.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:29 AM
Jun 2018

If the patriarchy managed to stop Hillary, they didn't kill what she represents. We got us a great candidate.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
17. Yes. Perhaps Cortez's endorsers & supporters should give credit, when quoting her winning platform.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:36 AM
Jun 2018

'Old-timers' is an insult to the many Dems who applauded HRC's platform.
Those 'old-timey' dems obviously came out to vote for Cortez last night.
Why would you insult them today?

They liked what she said. They liked what HRC said also.
Just wondering who wrote Cortez's resounding campaign platform?

Magoo48

(4,720 posts)
33. I'm an old time human but a proud supporter of hard left, strong progressive candidates.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:23 AM
Jun 2018

It is time to let go of Hillary and Bernie; they worked hard but their time has passed. We must be a powerful alternative to each and every horror of the present madness.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
50. Hillary is busy getting Dems support through her speeches & fundraising
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:04 AM
Jun 2018

Bernie is still campaigning.

Cortez should give credit to the people she borrowed campaign winning quotes from.

Why is that so hard for some to do?
It is more evident of where the division lies.
That is unfortunate.

Btw, Cortez isn't the first to use HRC's iconic quote as tho it was their own.
Just seems odd that they cannot do the right thing as a Democrat.

Why is that?

Magoo48

(4,720 posts)
111. She and Bernie are still doing goodwork;it's time for a changing of the guard. That is no disrespect
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:05 AM
Jun 2018

to those who came before.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
32. The Bernie connection
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:18 AM
Jun 2018

The concern I would have is that her connection to Bernie will turn off the HRC supporters in her district and have them not voting in the midterms. Turnout is always a concern and anything that impacts that would be bad. One or two good endorsement appearances by HRC should fix that to the greatest extent possible.

theaocp

(4,244 posts)
64. Sounds like pretty poor Dems, then, heya?
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:25 AM
Jun 2018

You really think they'll be that petty? Doesn't speak terribly well of those voters.

theaocp

(4,244 posts)
114. Anybody farts in the general direction of Manchin and there's a battle to be joined.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:09 AM
Jun 2018

This unbelievably awesome victory for us and people can't wait to smear her with Bernie's name and demand she bow to HRC. WTF is going on?

Magoo48

(4,720 posts)
120. Agreed, what's with all the cult-like worship. H and B had their run. Let's turn it over. Was our
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:16 AM
Jun 2018

Record so good in the past that we should cling to it and our past candidates?

Squinch

(50,993 posts)
184. Sounds like you guys are making up a division that doesn't exist, heya? But keep it up. It
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 12:54 PM
Jun 2018

lets us all know where you stand.

theaocp

(4,244 posts)
192. Some have claimed such.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 01:17 PM
Jun 2018

I suppose that lies in the eye of the beholder. I would claim otherwise, but who needs allies, right, comrade?

theaocp

(4,244 posts)
196. What is this?
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 01:21 PM
Jun 2018

Everyone I respond to is writing in some fucking cryptic code or something. Just say what you have to say.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
101. If 'Hillary supporters' in her district do not turn out
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:54 AM
Jun 2018

simply because Cortez is supported by Bernie, that says something not about Cortez, but about those supporters.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
118. She wasn't endorsed by Bernie, which I find interesting.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:14 AM
Jun 2018

Especially after she was an organizer for him.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
135. I know that he didn't endorse his son's congressional candidacy, or Arturo Carmona's
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:52 AM
Jun 2018

who was a major organizer for Sanders' presidential campaign.

theaocp

(4,244 posts)
145. You seriously just linked to your comments in this thread?
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 11:08 AM
Jun 2018

If you've got nothing to say, just say so. Damn.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
148. You seemed to not have read my posts where I answered your questions.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 11:15 AM
Jun 2018

I explained why I thought it was interesting that Sanders didn't endorse a former campaign organizer of his, that I wasn't privy to Sanders' reasons for not endorsing her directly, so I don't know what it "means."

Is that clearer?

If you want to pick a fight, just go find someone else. Damn.

theaocp

(4,244 posts)
152. I didn't catch where you explained why you thought it was interesting.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 11:19 AM
Jun 2018

More detail would help. So, no. Not terribly clear. Damn.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
153. Again - she is a former campaign organizer for him. And he does endorse candidates for Congress.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 11:25 AM
Jun 2018
https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article213815864.html

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/bernie-sanders-endorses-fifth-congress-district-pennsylvania-20180511.html

He did not endorse her.

Perhaps that will help clear up your confusion as to why the fact that he didn't endorse her but others is interesting to some.

If you are looking for a fight, you are looking in the wrong place.

theaocp

(4,244 posts)
155. Holy gawd, I get that CAN be interesting.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 11:30 AM
Jun 2018

The observation you made is clear. The question you're ducking is WHY? What is the point of taking any level of interest in that observation? Why do you care enough to note it in the thread?

theaocp

(4,244 posts)
161. Don't want to explain, then?
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 11:56 AM
Jun 2018

Whatever. Growing up on the Great Lakes, I recognize fish on a hook. They tend to wriggle, too.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
165. I found it clear
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 11:59 AM
Jun 2018

Sometimes things I find interesting I may not have the ability (whether due to time or access to the required knowledge etc) to determine why something occurs.

theaocp

(4,244 posts)
168. Yeah, or you could just explain why you found it interesting.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 12:01 PM
Jun 2018

Most of us can do so or just not open our mouths. I'd hate to misinterpret something someone DIDN'T say.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
171. I think you're quite willing to interpret something someone didn't say
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 12:08 PM
Jun 2018

as sinister.

Is it frustrating not to get a response that bashes someone, no matter how hard you try?

And get called out on it?

Why do you find what I "don't say" so interesting?



 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
177. Still trying to double down, I see.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 12:12 PM
Jun 2018

Tag - Your turn!

Hahahahahahaha. (Aren't you glad you started that?)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
170. Yes, I think you're not the only one who found it clear...
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 12:04 PM
Jun 2018

Others seem to want to try to get an alertable reaction, and think they they are subtle about it.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
142. True. This isn't even about bernie sanders.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 11:04 AM
Jun 2018

Why bring him into it.
She will be heartily endorsed by every Dem come Nov.

Squinch

(50,993 posts)
182. That's not how real Democrats work. Hillary supporters don't
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 12:48 PM
Jun 2018

take their ball and vote for trump when every little thing doesn't go their way. Hillary supporters know that takes the special kind of stupid that landed us in our current dystopia.

Squinch

(50,993 posts)
189. Booing at conventions. What does that stand for?
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 01:13 PM
Jun 2018

And the stakes are different now. I think we can all at least agree on that.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
191. Roughly the same thing
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 01:16 PM
Jun 2018

Which is the point.

The stakes have been building for 30 years. At best we'll have a SLIM majority. The worst is a meaningless change in the GOP majority and 4 more years of Trump.

theaocp

(4,244 posts)
200. Yea, let's bring my mom into this.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 01:23 PM
Jun 2018

She's so proud of me from the Siberian wasteland. What is your problem?

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
201. I know what ya mean
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 01:26 PM
Jun 2018

But I do think that some folks have an unreasonable expectation what can be done with that "majority".
They can run investigations though...

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
209. For various values of respond
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 01:46 PM
Jun 2018

they can't do anything if they can't get the majority of the votes. And there's always one or two dems from a red state that is hesitant to take any serious action. We may be talking as little as a two vote majority.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
223. Good grief.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 05:29 PM
Jun 2018

The "multipolarity" == (possibly dangerous) "rivalry" framing aka narrative

should be replaced by one that helps us all to clearly and strongly grasp the idea that:

The way our rapacious laissez-faire get rich quick socio-economic systems are operating is leading us into environment-related deep shit unless we all collectively get our well-organised act together on this planet.

And dumb demonizing does not help that to happen.

Multipolarity, and truly effective multipolar institutions, are necessary and should be a common aim of all.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
96. I am an old timey-dem. No idea about that which you speak.....about.....
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:49 AM
Jun 2018

I went to JFK's funeral.
I was in Memphis when MLK was killed.

That old.


Oh, and I supported Bernard Sanders in the primary.
Then voted for Hillary Clinton in the general.

BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
4. Two words: Affordability crisis
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:07 AM
Jun 2018

She put it at the top of her agenda. People can not afford housing in urban Democratic strongholds and nothing is being done about it. It’s going to bite CA Democrats in the ass too. When you’re in charge and something that basic just keeps getting worse there's a price to pay.

BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
51. If that's your answer why even field a slate of candidates?
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:05 AM
Jun 2018

Just fold up the tent and let the corporations figure it all out.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
108. Property rights are property rights.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:59 AM
Jun 2018

REITs buy up rental property in flourishing cities, then execute a plan to annually raise rents. There is little politicians can do other than going to Court to lose, or buying the landlords out (that takes a huge amount of money). If landlords are bought out and rents are decreased, what happens to the people who were living in the places and could afford to pay the rents, do they stay at the lower rents, do they get a rent schedule that is higher than for their neighbors for the same facilities, do they get outright evicted and sent to pricier rental property? It is one thing to blow smoke in the air and talk about what should be done, it is another issue entirely to fix the problems without creating more problems.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
121. Look, I like where your heart is.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:22 AM
Jun 2018

But the problem is a lot more complex than what you make it out to be. Plus fixing it will take billions of dollars, where is that money coming from? Politicians can take property, but I promise you, they will lose in Court.

I am not trying to be an ass, like you, I want to see affordable rents in flourishing cities. But the only way I see that happening is for cities to buy up private property at market rates, but then ownership and management of the property creates it's own set of problems.

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
128. No, she found and issue and one...fine. However, this issue will not be decided in Washington.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:32 AM
Jun 2018

Unaffordable housing will be fought at the state level because it is a state issue.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
98. This is my take.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:51 AM
Jun 2018

Deep blue areas have robust economic growth, statistics back that up. Economic growth causes rents to go up, economics 101. The only choice politicians have is to buyout landlords and then reduce rents to make things affordable, but I promise you that if that happens, that housing will be taken up by well paid up and comers that call the cops on people that are barbecuing or street vending. Oakland used to be a cheap place to live until it gentrified, now it is loaded with privileged people who don't understand the communities around them.

Housing in growing areas is a tough nut, politicians must have lots of money, and a well thought out plan of getting the right people into housing. Bill DeBlassio is a dyed in the wool left wing liberal, but even he can't address the affordability issue, it is one thing to talk about something, another issue entirely when you have to turn nuts and bolts to solve it.

BTW, what are voters going to do, elect republicans who will absolutely screw them?

BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
105. Yes tough issue, but here is what a lot of voters will do
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:57 AM
Jun 2018

Punish incumbents when their lives become harder and/or unmanageable and they see an alternative. And party ID won't be high on their list of priorities. That can lead to decisions we might think are stupid, ie Obama/Trump voters, but we ignore, minimize or misrepresent human desperation at our peril as a party.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
119. I don't disagree with you.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:15 AM
Jun 2018

But solving the affordability problem is very hard. Look at what happened in Seattle with the corporations tax, if it had gotten approved, Seattle would have lost in Court big. Fortunately Bezos stepped in with a compromise, that while not great, will help the situation.

I have favored cities buying up property, the problem with that is cities don't have that type of money, which is huge. Formerly down and out cities like Oakland, or current ones like Detroit, Flint and Newsrk don't have money to deliver basic services, so buying up rental and housing property is out of the question, they need landlords to give up the property for free or low cost, which won't happen. What a recovering city like Detroit or Cleveland need is a white knight with lots of money, to buy up housing and hand it over to the cities, how many people are out there that meet that description?

BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
122. There's three legs on this affordability crisis stool
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:23 AM
Jun 2018

Housing, health care and education. Costs have been outpacing incomes and inflation for four decades. If Democrats could point to more substantive achievements on any of these fronts we’d be in much better shape than we are now. Money is winning. We can’t make peace with it.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
123. So you keep describing problems. I am aware of the problems.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:27 AM
Jun 2018

I proposed potential solutions to one of them.

Instead of describing the problems and bashing democrats for supposedly not trying to fix them, WHAT are you proposed solutions and what will they cost?

BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
130. Medicare for all, tax reform, equal pay...
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:42 AM
Jun 2018

These are supposedly our issues, so I think the Democratic Party has done the math. But do you trust our party to fight hard enough for them? Many voters don’t which is why there will be other NY 14s.

MarvinGardens

(779 posts)
159. Zoning changes and mass transit can help.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 11:44 AM
Jun 2018

In the city and close-in suburbs, change zoning policy to allow denser "infill" development, where this has not already happened. Major obstacle of course is opposition from existing residents of said suburbs. But increasing the available housing units can only help the prices.

More funding for mass transit, and roads where applicable, will give people more choices about where they can live (further out vs close in), and give workers more flexibility on price vs convenience.

The former is truly a local issue with perhaps some state level intervention in some areas. The latter is typically a mix of local, state, and federal money.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
219. Good ideas.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 02:24 PM
Jun 2018

I thought about mass transit improvements, that would help big by giving people more range to find homes. I didn't consider the zoning issue, you you touched on some good points about the benefits of taking that route and potential obstacles. I really think politicians can sell both, ring suburbs must realize that their economic vitality is tied to the housing prices in the cities that they ring and people having 2 hour commutes at rush hour won't keep working.

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
6. She ran in a blue state. This won't play in Missouri or West Virginian folks...
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:11 AM
Jun 2018

That is just wishful thinking... and I wish it was true.

whathehell

(29,090 posts)
30. It doesn't have to play in Missouri or West Virginia..
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:09 AM
Jun 2018

It's not even easy to get a blue dog democrat in those states.

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
39. Right but without red states, we don't have a majority...it is a Democratic seat. I wish we could
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:44 AM
Jun 2018

convince people in all 50 states. Nothing changes hopefully with this...a blue state still a blue state...we need to turn red states and districts blue.

whathehell

(29,090 posts)
43. Sure, but what is your point?
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:52 AM
Jun 2018

To "advise" Red State Dems not to run a Democratic Socialist?..Not gonna happen in any case.

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
78. My point is that the money spent on this primary this year could have been used to flip Republican
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:34 AM
Jun 2018

seats and to work on getting the Senate which would be huge for the court issues we face.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
7. It means we have a Democrat going into the general.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:17 AM
Jun 2018

It also means we have a new face with damn near the same political accomplishments as our more popular democratic socialist.

The rest is pathetic propoganda. Seems to be an extremely safe seat.

Good luck to Ocasio-Cortez.

Voltaire2

(13,123 posts)
11. Or you could just say 'thank you'.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:22 AM
Jun 2018

You're welcome.

Sorry you are so upset about this. She is going to be a great representative for her district and for our party.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
14. I'm not sure why you are requesting to be thanked.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:29 AM
Jun 2018

Seems to go hand in hand with the other grandios verbiage.

I’m not upset at all. Should be a very easy hold. That’s solid.

First you request thanks and follow it up with projection.

Congratulations are in order to Ocasio.

Highlighting pathetic propoganda does not equal being upset. Solid Democratic district that will be represented by a Democrat. Makes sense. Forward Together!

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
16. +1
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:34 AM
Jun 2018

Lots of hard work ahead. We have to enjoy these safe seats with some smiling and laughing.

I’m with her!


Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
42. Do you understand the Trump is tweeting about this. He is overjoyed...gives the rest of
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:51 AM
Jun 2018

us pause. I don't think Crowley losing was a good thing for our fight against Trump.


Cuthbert Allgood

(4,961 posts)
55. So your source as for why it's bad Crowley lost the primary is Donald Fucking Trump.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:13 AM
Jun 2018

I can't even. Just too many things wrong with this.

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
63. No one said...that. But when Trump is happy with an outcome...it makes me nervous.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:25 AM
Jun 2018

Crowley was apparently taking him on consistently.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,961 posts)
67. Well, Trump might well tweet tomorrow that he likes Crowley.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:27 AM
Jun 2018

The man is unhinged and changes on a whim. But, sure.

Voltaire2

(13,123 posts)
70. Some of us remember 1974 when a whole
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:29 AM
Jun 2018

Gaggle of new young Democrats entered the house and shook things up. It was seriously great.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,961 posts)
76. I was 8, so it is a vague memory. But, yes.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:33 AM
Jun 2018

All of this "she hasn't done anything" rhetoric is depressing.

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
87. I am to young too remember that,but I am interested in history. Six years later in 1980
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:44 AM
Jun 2018

Republicans won the presidency, the Senate and we lost 35 House seats. So. I fail to see how that is even relevant. The elections of 74 did not foreshadow a big progressive Democratic/progressive victory... sadly quite the opposite.

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
179. What did they do? Reagan still won in 80 and took the Senate...setting us up for the
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 12:31 PM
Jun 2018

shitshow that followed these more than 30 years. Ok I looked at both 80 and 74...don't see what you mean. I recognize a name or two, but do not see any real significance.

Voltaire2

(13,123 posts)
71. Wow. He must be really upset.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:31 AM
Jun 2018

But indeed if Trump barks, we should all run around in terror rending our hair.

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
126. He is happy about it which makes me unhappy...I despise Trump and want him as miserable as possible.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:29 AM
Jun 2018
 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
48. Well Jimmy Dore is pretty corporate. Media & money is quite embedding in choosing sides for us.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:59 AM
Jun 2018

I hope she lives up to that amazing platform of hers.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
84. She claimed he is a friend of hers.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:40 AM
Jun 2018

I read his twitter earlier when his name appeared here.
He hates & slanders every Dem from HRC, to Pres Obama, Kamala Harris, & Tammy Duckworth.

He's done everything he can to campaign against Democrats.
And he's a liar, by reading some of his tweets.

No Dem I know would call him a friend.
Anyway, that's how his name got involved.

IronLionZion

(45,516 posts)
49. Giving voice to the voiceless
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:00 AM
Jun 2018

turning out grass roots voters in a big enough way to defeat an establishment Dem who outspent her 10 to 1 as she refused to accept any corporate PAC money.

There's value in change and having new people involved in politics. Winning her primary as a 28 year old brown woman in a surprise upset is a political accomplishment. And she hasn't even taken office yet.

Even though neither she nor her parents are immigrants, she gives voice to immigrants and has obviously gotten the votes of US citizen immigrants at a time when it is a major political issue.

My sister and cousin live in that district and people were extremely excited. Lots of first time voters this year.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
57. Yes thank you. That's what the Democratic Party has always done.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:20 AM
Jun 2018

You know, like when Hillary Clinton proclaimed that " women's rights are human rights" on the world stage in 1995 ~ UN Women's Conference, Bejing.

Cortez would gather a landslide victory this fall if only she could honor the brave woman who she borrowed her campaign quote from.

Its that simple.
She, right now has the power to unite.
I hope she realizes this and stands apart from those who did all they could to undermine the bravest female politician in American history.


Cortez would be wise to give credit where it belongs.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,961 posts)
56. Yes. Fuck all young people that want to run for office.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:15 AM
Jun 2018

Only old people that have already been in office should be in office.

The voters of that district in NY spoke. She's the Dem candidate. Support her. Them's the rules on DU.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
68. I hope you are not serious.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:28 AM
Jun 2018

Who said anything about only old people running?

Seems that meme is coming from her supporters.

I simply asked that she give credit to HRC since she used her iconic womens rights quote to campaign on. She would grab a solid landslide vote should she honor HRC in the very district HRC also won.
Imagine what that would do for the Dem voters in that district. Young & old.

In fact much of her platform is quite similar to Hillary's.
How you get 'fuck the young people ..only old should run' is your words, not mine.

Don't campaign on another Dem's iconic quote without giving her credit for the movement that came from that quote.

Dems do honor Dems, afterall.
Where the bitterness comes from is beyond me.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,961 posts)
73. Of course I'm not serious. But look at the "she's young and has done nothing" posts here.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:32 AM
Jun 2018

How the everloving hell did this become about HRC? THIS woman won. Let's not make this about the Dem that didn't make it to the White House. Let's make this about the one that is going to go to the House.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
93. Whose refighting the primaries. You'd think she'd be honored to name the woman who she quoted.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:46 AM
Jun 2018

Why wouldn't she?
Its an iconic quote representing all the human rights issues Cortez ran her campaign on.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
131. You're inferring that I inferred ...I did no such thing.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:43 AM
Jun 2018

I simply asked a question & am inferring nothing what you accused me of.
Please stop.

I expect Cortez is a big enoigh person to not be weighed down by the slanderous lies inferred about HRC by certain media friends of her.
She could easily unite the good intended Dems & let the ill willed go wherever they choose.

theaocp

(4,244 posts)
134. I need a code to decode all your coded language.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:51 AM
Jun 2018

Try straightforward language. It really helps and your message wouldn't be so muddled.

Mariana

(14,860 posts)
214. Clinton wasn't the first person ever to say that.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 02:06 PM
Jun 2018

Did Clinton give credit to all the other people who used that exact phrase in speeches and in writing before she did?

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
222. Ummm.. Yes she was. Attribution for this quote goes to HRC
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 04:37 PM
Jun 2018

Last edited Wed Jun 27, 2018, 05:29 PM - Edit history (1)

Here.. Since you Asked, I am going to offer some education, just a small part as to who HRC is .

I can't do anything about those who still refuse to know the history of this woman's fight for human riights , much less her enormous contributions to her campaigns for tolerance in the fight on a global scale.
Sorry, but the lack of knowing explains why a guy who wrote a book about "Rape Fantasy" at the age of 30 is somehow idolized along with the many many media talking heads who kept HRC from speaking , choosing to degrade & illigitimatize all she has contributed, above the many brave women in the history of suffregettes, voting rights, women's rights, children's health care & their rights as minors, racial equality, as well as LGBTQ & the shunning of Gays at the height of the AIDS epidemic.

How could anyone NOT know of Sec Clinton's accomplishments as a human rights advocate & fighter for policy that corrects the abuses of these mentioned & more.
How could all her years of dedication be so missed.

I guess the millions who chose her over the others knew who she was.

This has nothing to do with the Primaries, it is here because you questioned her credibility.


Here's a start:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10794126

mia

(8,361 posts)
228. Women's rights are human rights
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:52 PM
Jun 2018
"Women's rights are human rights" is a phrase used in the feminist movement. The phrase was first used in the 1980s and early 1990s. Its most prominent usage is as the name of a speech given by Hillary Rodham Clinton, the First Lady of the United States, on 5 September 1995, at the United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing.[1] In this speech she sought to closely link the notion of women's rights with that of human rights. In the speech, Clinton used the phrase within the longer, bidirectional refrain, "human rights are women's rights and women's rights are human rights."


First uses
The notion that "women's rights are human rights" was first expressed with different phrasing by the abolitionists and proto-feminists Sarah Moore Grimké and Angelina Grimké Weld in the late 1830s. In her series of Letters on the Equality of the Sexes, Sarah Moore Grimké writes, "Consequently I know nothing of man’s rights, or woman’s rights; human rights are all that I recognize".[2] A similar expression is used by her sister, Angelina Grimké Weld, in her speeches and personal letters. In a letter to her friend Jane Smith, she writes, "whatever is morally right for a man to do is morally right for a woman to do. I recognized no rights but human rights."[3]

The phrase "Women's rights are human rights" was used intermittently during the 1980s and first half of the 1990s, before Clinton's speech. Instances include in 1984, when The New York Times quoted the head of New York City's Human Rights Commission, Marcella Maxwell, using this phrase in conversation.[4] It was again used in 1985 by Cecilia Medina, a noted Chilean jurist, in a seminal paper on feminism.[5] The title of her work was 'Women's Rights as Human Rights: Latin American Countries and the Organization of American States (OAS).' In articulating the historic idea, Medina wrote, "As a logical consequence of the fact that women's rights are human rights, feminism, in theory, is a movement to achieve a democratic society, without which human rights may not be fully enjoyed."

Canadian politician Ed Broadbent, who was the head of the International Centre for Human Rights and Democratic Development, used the phrase in an interview with the Calgary Herald in January 1993 when he stated, "If we believe as a society that women's rights are human rights, then it is time to stop discriminating against women in refugee policy."[6] The phrase was used by Laurel Fletcher during a 1993 international law symposium called Human Rights Violations Against Women, an edited version of which was published by Fletcher, Allyn Taylor and Joan Fitzpatrick in 1994.[7] Article 3 of Malaysian Charter on Human Rights, published in December 1994 by a number of non-governmental organizations, begins with the sentence "Women's Rights are Human Rights."[8]

None of these cases included the other half of Clinton's phrase.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_rights_are_human_rights

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,961 posts)
230. BUZZZZ
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:01 PM
Jun 2018

Wrong. I really don't want to hold it against you but you've been so super about it to this point. Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

Mariana

(14,860 posts)
235. Actually, I questioned your credibility, not Clinton's.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:22 PM
Jun 2018

I sincerely doubt Clinton would ever pretend that she was the first person to use that phrase. You're the one who is falsely making that claim.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
236. That is a flat out lie.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 11:25 PM
Jun 2018

Pity she cannot be credited for her lifetime of accomplishments in human rights.
Pity some are so full of hatered for the woman who bravely stood on the world stage & challenged
others to recognize that women are equal.

Its really pathetic to see those who beat tgeir chests at the violation of equal rights while condemning this woman who gave her entire career to advocating for the same on a global scale.

Shame on those who cannot bring themselves to give a fking bit of honor to this one woman who clearly stood there for us all & faced the barrage of mysogynistic lies & slander from the grown men who for the sheer sport of it paraded their patriarchy as they mocked & humiliated this one woman & in that moment berrated us all.

Its a fking shame to see a women claim the words of HRC while her own endorsers smear this brave woman's worth like feed to starving rats.

And they call themselves Democrats?
It is in name only.

It is right to honor her name & hold her work for women's rights in a place among the greats of feminism.
Anything less dishonors the legacy of all those who did their part.

Do what you like, but I'll walk with the others who know the worth of this woman's lifelong mission, who vowed to break the barriers of equality by standing on the world stage in Bejing 1995 by speaking to women's rights as a human right.

Mock her, slander her name, wipe her off the pages of your own history book.
I will proudly stand with her before I ever embrace a pussy grabber or a Rape Fantasy writer.

I'll stand with the long line of women who made a difference on behalf of women & girls around the world.



http://womenyoushouldknow.net/inspired-illustration-feminism-work-pays-tribute-pioneers-moved-womens-history-forward/

BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
59. She just stomped a 20-year-incumbent who outspent her 18:1
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:22 AM
Jun 2018

Show some respect.Or comprehension. Or both.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
79. Yes she did. Her campaign platformis amazingly similar to HRC's. And it makes sense that she would
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:34 AM
Jun 2018

win as she did in the same district.
And Crowley sucked too.
I hope she can live up to all she'd like to without getting sidetracked by the people who sidelined HRC.


Cuthbert Allgood

(4,961 posts)
83. Can we PLEASE respect the candidate that won and not make this about HRC?
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:37 AM
Jun 2018

Please? The whole world doesn't revolve around HRC.

She should probably give credit to Sojourner Truth, too, who did a shitload for women of color.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
97. Cort3z used HRC's historic quote in her Campaign Platform.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:51 AM
Jun 2018

Why, as a fellow Democrat, wouldn't she honor the woman who bravely stood before the world & claimed "women's rights are human rights".

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,961 posts)
104. She used her quotation. Isn't that honoring her?
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:56 AM
Jun 2018

How much bowing before the throne does she need to do?

Mariana

(14,860 posts)
215. Well, she only won because Crowley sucked, apparently.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 02:17 PM
Jun 2018

And because she plagiarized Clinton's platform and stole a line from her speech, a line that wasn't even original to Clinton, but had been used many times before. It's not like Ms. Ocasio-Cortez actually accomplished anything deserving of respect.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210794235#post79

BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
95. You think voters in NY 14 said, "Thank you for embracing HRC's platform?"
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:48 AM
Jun 2018


There's this thing called authenticity you might want to look into.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,961 posts)
139. Yes. EVERYTHING she accomplished is because of one quotation.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:57 AM
Jun 2018

Which everyone knows is from HRC. But, yeah, she needs to do more to credit HRC because it's all about HRC.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,961 posts)
146. Exactly. You are making this big deal about one quote.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 11:12 AM
Jun 2018

That every frickin' Dem and most of humanity realizes is from HRC. It's not like she stole it or something.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
151. Really? I asked for HRC to be given credit for the quote Cortez used in her platform on women.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 11:17 AM
Jun 2018

It holds a lot of meaning for those who walked that walk for many years.
You may not think so, but many others do.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,961 posts)
229. Awesome. Can you show where HRC gave Maxwell and/or Medina credit?
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:58 PM
Jun 2018

I mean if the point is that you need to respect those that went before you and used the line, surely Clinton gave that credit.

I'll wait.

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
205. No one cares about the bloody quote
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 01:35 PM
Jun 2018

Good luck with your crusade though. It's looking a little ragged but surely if you just keep plugging away people will eventually come round.

Mariana

(14,860 posts)
218. Wrong. Wwcd cares about the bloody quote
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 02:21 PM
Jun 2018

to the exclusion of all else. Ms. Ocasio-Cortez only won because Crowley sucked and because she quoted Clinton's line (that wasn't original to Clinton anyway).

Vinca

(50,302 posts)
9. I think it's encouraging that a young person has stepped up and been successful.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:19 AM
Jun 2018

Congratulations to her and may there be many more.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
21. Who wrote her resounding campaign platform?
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:42 AM
Jun 2018

Sounded reeeeally familiar.
Glad to see so many finally approved of it.

Vinca

(50,302 posts)
23. I don't know . . . who wrote it?
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:51 AM
Jun 2018

I am now and always have been a far left socialist Commie pinko. But I always vote for the Democrat and I expect Democrats to do the same when a "socialist" candidate is on the ballot as a Democrat.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
41. It should work both ways then. However, it didn't in the most critical election of our lifetime.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:49 AM
Jun 2018

Yes. It should work both ways.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
47. Can we please set aside the bitterness and work together, or are we waiting for a REAL crisis?
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:59 AM
Jun 2018

News flash: The REAL crisis is here now!

True Blue American

(17,988 posts)
24. I May be an Old Timer
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:55 AM
Jun 2018

But I honestly want young blood in both Leadership and in Congress.

We need fresh ideas going forward. Crowley took his voters for granted.did not show up for Debates or campaign.

The old Seniority is tired and worn out. We have lost for 8 years now. The old Leaders are not working for us. They are just occupying seats.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
216. Yeah. We want a party that relates to voters of every age.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 02:17 PM
Jun 2018

There's something wrong if we're not turning over our leaderdership positions regularly, but something else wrong if we don't keep a few icons in office well into old age.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
25. Crowley was Number 4-ranking Democrat in House?
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:55 AM
Jun 2018

Never heard of him until last night. Talk about flying under the radar.

Where Democrats hold a safe, substantial majority in a congressional district, we can expect centrist candidates, especially bad ones, to be occasionally "upset."

Unlike what the national media is peddling, 16,000 voters in NYC do NOT represent a national trend.

Freethinker65

(10,036 posts)
29. Yep. The media will spin anything and everything they can to try to discourage Democrats
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:07 AM
Jun 2018

Congratulations to all of our democratic primary winners that fought hard to represent their districts.

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
206. Did he ask her to go down there with him?
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 01:38 PM
Jun 2018

If not then he made a huge tactical error. When I first heard he skipped out on a debate, I thought he got what he deserved. This mitigates it, but on first glance an incumbent not being willing to debate is a big part of the problem we have in this country today.

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
207. Was he?
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 01:41 PM
Jun 2018

This article says he was actually doing the following:


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/opinion/joseph-crowley-alexandria-ocasio-cortez.html


Instead of attending Monday evening’s debate, which was hosted by The Parkchester Times, Mr. Crowley visited a civic association meeting in Queens. Ms. Ocasio-Cortez was left to debate Mr. Crowley’s chosen surrogate, Ms. Palma. Ms. Palma once represented the Bronx on the City Council and now serves in Mayor Bill de Blasio’s administration as a deputy commissioner at the Department of Social Services.

Lonestarblue

(10,053 posts)
27. She's also a millennial, and we ignore them at our peril.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:04 AM
Jun 2018

A recent poll showed that millennials are not necessarily swayed by the Democratic or Republican Party. I suspect that many of them who voted in 2016 voted for an independent candidate. We need to have policies that appeal to them. They are more concerned about good education at a lower cost, good jobs, affordable housing, and fair treatment of minorities (though some white millennials still reflect parental biases). This digital generation embraces technology and wants to see a government that embraces it also. The Democratic Party supports all those goals, but our messengers need to be more like people of their generation or at least closer in age to them.

I suspect Crowley lost because he took his district support for granted, but also because he did not address the specific issues of the district. Like Crowley, the national Democratic Party leadership seems a bit out of touch. The electorate has moved to the left on them, and they seem afraid to embrace the bigger solutions like Medicare for all that younger candidates are supporting.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
31. Yes, but we only need to appeal to conservative or moderate indpendents....
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:09 AM
Jun 2018

..because apparently those are the only ones that exist.

Never mind that conservative independents have actually been shown time and time again to just be unaffiliated Republicans.

Never mind that there are just as many if not more non-voters to be appealed to by supporting progressive policies.

Too many in the Dem leadership listen only to the milquetoast voices in the media that insist that all independents are conservatives or moderates who want bullshit "sensible solutions" or "reaching across the aisle for bipartisanship.

You hit the nail on the head, our leadership ignores the truth at OUR peril. Not their peril since they are all wealthy and taken care of.

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
75. They do exist in red and purple states where we need to take seats and flip the house.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:32 AM
Jun 2018

This is a Democratic seat...doesn't help us take the house. I just want Dems to win...don't care about anything else...also I don't know much about Crowley but he was in leadership and taking on Trump. I am just not concerned much with ideology this year as most seats we need in order to take the House are not in blue states or districts.

If this was flipping a GOP seat, I would be overjoyed. We must stop Trump. I want to take the money currently being used to primary sitting Democrats and use it in our fight for the senate...after yesterday's rulings and the union crushing one expected today, I am sure you understand why this is such a priority for me and others.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
28. Good. It's a blue district....no excuse for anything other than a solid progressive.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:06 AM
Jun 2018

People are tired of hearing "Well we have to support a more conservative Dem because it's a more conservative district. DON"T PRIMARY THEM!!!", but then being told they also can't primary Dems with more progressive candidates in solidly blue districts because.........reasons?

still_one

(92,372 posts)
34. These Tuesday morning quarter backs are just so full of it in their poitical analysis based on
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:28 AM
Jun 2018

New York's 14th very blue Congressional District.

It somewhat reminds me of the conclusion the NY Times came to blaming President Obama and the Democrats for their "hubris" in causing the republicans to turn away from climate change:

"The Republican Party’s fast journey from debating how to combat human-caused climate change to arguing that it does not exist is a story of big political money, Democratic hubris in the Obama years and a partisan chasm that grew over nine years like a crack in the Antarctic shelf, favoring extreme positions and uncompromising rhetoric over cooperation and conciliation."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/03/us/politics/republican-leaders-climate-change.html

Theses attempts to extrapolate sweeping conclusions from one blue district election in New York represents one thing, those New Yorkers in the 14th district.

I guess with that implied conclusion, Cynthia Nixon would be another long shot winner.

It also conveniently ignores the previous special elections that have taken place thus far, and perhaps the most striking event that every Democrat running for Senate in those critical swing states in 2016 lost to the establishment, incumbent, republican, and those Democrats were liberal by any standard.

Time of course will be the final arbitrator, but to draw a sweeping conclusion on one blue district, is such an over-simplification is laughable.

Baitball Blogger

(46,756 posts)
35. Well, now I know why he lost.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:28 AM
Jun 2018

"At his annual holiday party, city officials were expected to perform karaoke, singing and dancing on the stage to a song of Mr. Crowley’s choosing."

We don't need this kind of mentality in the Dem party.

George II

(67,782 posts)
92. Zeroing in on that as the reason he lost is odd. Music, singing and dancing are part of his life.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:46 AM
Jun 2018

Did you see how he congratulated his opponent last night?

Baitball Blogger

(46,756 posts)
107. I live in a small town where social networks corrupt the objectivity of public employees.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:57 AM
Jun 2018

Last edited Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:31 AM - Edit history (1)

From what I can tell, you need to cement your relationships around here in order to improve your chances for benefits and perks in that other world that the entitled circles claim does not exist. If you think you're about to get investigated, write a check to the Police Department. If you want immediate support, install an American flag on your car and scowl at anyone you drive by that doesn't fit in.

So, I do have a beef with elected officials who have enough clout and power to add to this environment by requiring city officials to perform for him.

Mike Nelson

(9,966 posts)
38. What it...
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:43 AM
Jun 2018

… tells me is that the people saying the Democratic Party is "old" are wrong. I've always said there are hundreds of great people! Also, the Bernie Sanders style can work without Bernie and within the Democratic Party! Big cheers to Cortez! I thought Crowley's concession was nice, too.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
44. Crowley no longer calls the tunes, but Pelosi has lost one rival.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:53 AM
Jun 2018

I do hope this is a sign that a deep blue wave is rolling in.

ismnotwasm

(41,999 posts)
53. I like her
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:10 AM
Jun 2018

I just found out she was an aide to Senator Ted Kennedy. I thought she was an product of our revolution, but she’s so much more than that. Being of color, when she says “working class” she isn’t talking about white people and she made that clear during her campaign.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
112. The association with Our Revolution and the Sarandon late entry did cause me pause.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:05 AM
Jun 2018

But I have read up on the kid after her lightning bolt last night. She has all the hallmarks of a 1960s firebrand liberal, the type that called for us to get over ourselves and reach for higher things for society. The work with Teddy is a plus for me. I really like what I see with the kid, she should be an excellent Rep.

ismnotwasm

(41,999 posts)
147. I keep saying my Rep is Pramilla Jayapal
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 11:13 AM
Jun 2018

A Bernie endorsee. She is spectacular, and I think this one is could be just as good with a little time and experience.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
54. I believe that Ms. Ocasio-Cortez will be a great candidate. As far as I'm concerned,
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:13 AM
Jun 2018

she is good news for America. nt

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
100. I don't know what that means
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:52 AM
Jun 2018

In any case, I think this piece from the NY Times is off base. I feel like her win was very much a testament to what a great candidate she was for her district (which had been significantly redistricted since Crowley won there, to the point that he lived in the previous version of the district, not the current one).

ismnotwasm

(41,999 posts)
102. She does spout off certain OR crap
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:55 AM
Jun 2018

But I’m Thinking once she gets in office, she’ll do much better as the work begins.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
117. I think she'll be great
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:12 AM
Jun 2018

I am just saying that her victory is much more about her district than anything else.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
169. Gotcha
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 12:02 PM
Jun 2018

Thanks for clarifying what that poster meant. Not sure what was funny though. The NY Times piece seems completely off base to me.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
127. NY-14 is a safe district and a place where the demographics have changed.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:32 AM
Jun 2018

But to read the NY Times piece, you would think establishment candidates are doing poorly overall. When, for the most part, they're dominating.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
141. She ran a vigorous campaign that spoke to the voters
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 11:02 AM
Jun 2018

in that district. I just looked at the overall primary results. I'm more interested in who is running in districts with an incumbent Republican in office. I don't know NY, so I'm going to need some help in seeing who might flip a seat.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/26/us/elections/results-new-york-primary-elections.html
Any insights?

Still, a great victory for this woman. Since the district is solid Blue, she'll be walking into the House chamber next year. Brava!

IronLionZion

(45,516 posts)
156. The sour grapes on this thread is strangely satisfying
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 11:35 AM
Jun 2018

The old "no experience" so new people should be discouraged from running for office is one of my favorites. "No experience" has come up many times in my career. It's another way of saying you're too uppity and need to learn your place.

This condescending attitude is exactly what inspires many new voters so seek out change. If they were happy with what they had, they would be voting to reelect the incumbent.

Maybe someone will come along and say the voters are ungrateful?

The best way to win millennial votes is to call them entitled, lazy, and worthless.

181. I am LOVING seeing the centrists and pundit class fumble their way through this one...
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 12:46 PM
Jun 2018

Particularly those who are always so eager to exploit identity politics when it suits them.

Squinch

(50,993 posts)
185. "Exploit identity politics?" You mean fight for civil rights, don't you? I'm LOVING seeing the
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 01:00 PM
Jun 2018

bots coming out of the woodwork and trying to gin up divisions over this. People seem to be DYING for Hillary supporters to be in a tizzy of upset over this and seem crushed that nothing of the sort is happening.

213. I've got nothing but respect for people who fought for civil rights.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 02:01 PM
Jun 2018

Crowley lamented that he couldn't help that he was born white. Heads would be exploding if their roles had been reversed, that's the kind of exploitation I'm referring to.

Also, I happily voted for Hillary, and I'm not a bot.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
202. I don't get all the negativity and concern trolling and refighting 2016 in this thread
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 01:26 PM
Jun 2018

A progressive Dem won a primary in a progressive district in NY.
She will almost certainly be elected in November.

How can anyone make this a bad thing?

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
210. Various explanations
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 01:49 PM
Jun 2018

1) We lost a leader in the House
2) She'll be a back bencher and inexperienced.
3) She's a Democratic Socialist
4) She's too connected to various people we don't like
5) She'll never get anything passed she ran on.
6) People will misinterpret the significance of her victory.

torius

(1,652 posts)
208. HRC did not invent "women's rights are human rights."
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 01:44 PM
Jun 2018
from Wikipedia: The phrase "Women's rights are human rights" was used intermittently during the 1980s and first half of the 1990s, before Clinton's speech. Instances include in 1984, when The New York Times quoted the head of New York City's Human Rights Commission, Marcella Maxwell, using this phrase in conversation.[4] It was again used in 1985 by Cecilia Medina, a noted Chilean jurist, in a seminal paper on feminism.[5] The title of her work was 'Women's Rights as Human Rights: Latin American Countries and the Organization of American States (OAS).' In articulating the historic idea, Medina wrote, "As a logical consequence of the fact that women's rights are human rights, feminism, in theory, is a movement to achieve a democratic society, without which human rights may not be fully enjoyed."

... The notion that "women's rights are human rights" was first expressed with different phrasing by the abolitionists and proto-feminists Sarah Moore Grimké and Angelina Grimké Weld in the late 1830s. "

[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_rights_are_human_rights|


mvd

(65,180 posts)
231. It's big because we need young, progressive leaders in the Party
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:06 PM
Jun 2018

Bernie can't do it alone or forever and doesn't have a D after his name. As much as I like him, we need people like Ocasio-Cortez.

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