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salvorhardin

(9,995 posts)
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 10:33 PM Aug 2012

It’s Time to Impeach Justice Scalia

Good article looking at the myriad ways in which Scalia not only fundamentally misinterprets the Constitution, but completely disregards it. A bit dry and non-narrative, so I'm just excerpting the four paragraphs from the end.

Scalia voted in the minority in an effort to overturn the federal Affordable Care Act and in his dissenting opinion seems to call for a return to eighteenth-century government and way of life. He criticized not only the health insurance mandates but also the Department of Education, the Department of Health and Human Services, and the Department of Housing and Urban Development as excessive overreaches of federal authority. Scalia based his textualist opinion on a close reading, not of the Constitution or of legal precedents, but on definitions of “regulate” from antiquated dictionaries: Noah Webster’s from 1828, Samuel Johnson’s from 1785, one by Ash (1775), and one by Dyche and Pardon (1777). Of course these dictionaries have no legal weight and there is no evidence the authors of the Constitution were familiar with these dictionaries or agreed with the definitions, but that does not seem to have bothered the textualist champion.

Although the word “corporation” does not appear in the Constitution of the United States (or in Samuel Johnson’s 1785 edition of his dictionary), Scalia joined a narrow majority in striking down limits on corporate spending in federal elections. He insisted that somehow these limitations violated the First Amendment right of corporations as non-humans to freedom of speech.

Perhaps the greatest example of Scalia’s ideological activism on the Court and his basic inconsistency was his decision in Bush v. Gore (2000) when the Court’s conservative majority stopped a vote recount in Florida in the name of equal protection of the law!

We can no longer afford to tolerate Scalia as a conservative curmudgeon; he is a right-wing ideologue who is in a position to threaten constitutional government in the United States. He is a smart man, but smarts without a respect for law are dangerous, especially on the United States Supreme Court. Of course, Antonin Scalia could decide to spare the nation the spectacle of an impeachment and trial. After reading this indictment, he could just resign.

Full article: http://hnn.us/articles/it%E2%80%99s-time-impeach-justice-scalia
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It’s Time to Impeach Justice Scalia (Original Post) salvorhardin Aug 2012 OP
A justice has been impeached for less uponit7771 Aug 2012 #1
Which one? onenote Aug 2012 #15
But Abe foertus was forced to resign edhopper Aug 2012 #40
I agree. PDJane Aug 2012 #2
It's past time, but it's not going to happen. nt gateley Aug 2012 #3
You're right rock Aug 2012 #32
Spam deleted by Paulie (MIR Team) horsedates_org Aug 2012 #4
Scalia = Overblown bag of dangerous hot narcissistic nasty gas ... MindMover Aug 2012 #5
Agree 110% and double down by taking Thomas too!!!! benld74 Aug 2012 #6
I'm hoping Thomas will be indicted after the election. jaysunb Aug 2012 #9
Scalia, Alito, and Thomas are all not fit to serve. Initech Aug 2012 #7
I agree with you 100% Missycim Aug 2012 #26
How? cali Aug 2012 #28
Rotsa Ruck. WillowTree Aug 2012 #8
never happen blueknight Aug 2012 #10
Perhaps some Republicans will impeach them, then. freshwest Aug 2012 #13
I Think You Forgot This... KharmaTrain Aug 2012 #31
Who was that guy who was talking about this jerk all the time and had to Autumn Aug 2012 #11
Anthony Weiner Go Vols Aug 2012 #39
Should happen.. 99Forever Aug 2012 #12
Dumb suggestion. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #14
CALL CONGRESS RIGHT FUCKING NOW!11!!1! Brother Buzz Aug 2012 #16
Scalia can't be impeached for being an right wing idealogue, but........... mrmpa Aug 2012 #17
It also takes 67 (out of 100) Senate votes Ter Aug 2012 #20
It doesn't take 67.......... mrmpa Aug 2012 #22
Yes it does Ter Aug 2012 #33
Article I Section 3 of the Constitution........... mrmpa Aug 2012 #34
It is still two thirds to convict Ter Aug 2012 #36
Yes I was around & paying close to the impeachment of Clinton....... mrmpa Aug 2012 #37
Ok, so I guess we agree now Ter Aug 2012 #38
OK...eom mrmpa Aug 2012 #41
Media attention or petition won't change this. Only hard numbers in the Congress. freshwest Aug 2012 #18
Yeah, good luck with that one Ter Aug 2012 #19
Bush vs Gore = They should have all been impeached! B Calm Aug 2012 #21
Well, time marches on Iwillnevergiveup Aug 2012 #23
Did you know that Justices Ginsburg and Scalia are good friends? cali Aug 2012 #29
Being seen as disagreeable and generally wrong is not impeachable... TreasonousBastard Aug 2012 #24
Past time, but what's this article about. Festivito Aug 2012 #25
DU pie-in-the-sky cali Aug 2012 #27
People seem to think the title is my opinion salvorhardin Aug 2012 #30
I seriously doubt he could be impeached based on his judicial decisions Kablooie Aug 2012 #35

onenote

(42,703 posts)
15. Which one?
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 11:37 PM
Aug 2012

The only SCOTUS Justice to be impeached as far as I know was Samuel Chase in early 1800s, and that impeachment was based on actions that he took while sitting as a trial judge, not in deciding cases before the SCOTUS. And he was acquitted.

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
9. I'm hoping Thomas will be indicted after the election.
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 10:53 PM
Aug 2012

There's plenty public info that says he should be.

Initech

(100,076 posts)
7. Scalia, Alito, and Thomas are all not fit to serve.
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 10:46 PM
Aug 2012

I hope Obama is reelected and then we can make that happen.

Autumn

(45,084 posts)
11. Who was that guy who was talking about this jerk all the time and had to
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 11:02 PM
Aug 2012

resign because of his phone pictures? Since he's been gone, no politician talks about these corrupt bastards.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
12. Should happen..
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 11:22 PM
Aug 2012

.. but won't. They let admitted war criminals not only get off scot-free, they let them enrichen themselves writing books about their crimes against humanity.

IOKIYAR

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
14. Dumb suggestion.
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 11:30 PM
Aug 2012

You impeach judges for things like taking bribes, not because you don't like their rulings. And for every Scalia ruling that you don't like, 4 other Justices took his side.

If a precedent was established for impeaching a reliably conservative Justice, how soon before the Republicans started impeaching reliably liberal ones?

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
17. Scalia can't be impeached for being an right wing idealogue, but...........
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 11:50 PM
Aug 2012

Clarence Thomas could be impeached for falsifying his financial disclosure forms. 2012 is not the time to pursue this, but 2013 if there is a Democratic majority in the House it could happen.

 

Ter

(4,281 posts)
20. It also takes 67 (out of 100) Senate votes
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:28 AM
Aug 2012

Where do they come from? At best we'll have 53 Democratic Senators (probably more like 47) next year. So they all vote guilty and get 15 pukes to do the same?

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
22. It doesn't take 67..........
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 01:18 AM
Aug 2012

1. a vote in favor of conviction equal to or exceeding two-thirds of the members of the U.S. Senate present, and

2.) a quorum of a simple majority of U.S. Senators.

The whole senate is not needed for the conviction (that would be 67 votes). It would just have be what is equal to a quorum of 51 senators.


 

Ter

(4,281 posts)
33. Yes it does
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 09:48 AM
Aug 2012

Impeaching a SC Justice is the exact same procedure as impeaching a president. It takes a simple majority in the House, and two thirds in the Senate to convict (remove). Here's just one link. I know it's only Wiki Answers, but I've known this for two decades, trust me. I'll find more if you want it.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_a_US_Supreme_Court_justice_be_impeached_and_removed_from_office

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
34. Article I Section 3 of the Constitution...........
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 11:36 AM
Aug 2012

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

All 100 do not have to be present, therefore it is not 67, but a 2/3 rds votes of a quorum of 51.

 

Ter

(4,281 posts)
36. It is still two thirds to convict
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 11:03 PM
Aug 2012

Sure, if only 80 show up, then the number drops to 54 to convict. But a word of advice. No way in hell all members aren't showing up for something as historic as that. At the absolute least, 98 show up. Were you even following the Clinton impeachment in 1999?

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
37. Yes I was around & paying close to the impeachment of Clinton.......
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 12:22 AM
Aug 2012

I am just stating what the absoluteness of the Constitution. I know it's 2/3rd's. However that is not an absolute 67. I'm not going to argue that "no way in hell" is a senator not going to show up for yhe hearing. I am just stating what the Constitution says. It is an absolute 2/3rd's but not an absolute 67.

 

Ter

(4,281 posts)
38. Ok, so I guess we agree now
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 04:11 PM
Aug 2012

I still think it's almost impossible to get a conviction though. If it's close, every puke will show up. Well, he's like 75. Maybe 10 more years and he's retired anyway.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
18. Media attention or petition won't change this. Only hard numbers in the Congress.
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 11:52 PM
Aug 2012


Time for Congress to Impeach Justice Antonin Scalia
Submitted by Thom Hartmann
28. June 2012

On Tuesday - in his dissenting opinion to the Arizona immigration case - Justice Scalia lashed out at President Obama - for not doing enough to enforce immigration laws. With his blatant impartiality and total disregard for the institution of the Supreme Court - isn't it time Justice Scalia was impeached?

Way back in 1803 - Supreme Court Justice Samuel Chase really stepped in it. Thomas Jefferson was the President of the United States at the time - and his supporters in Congress called themselves Democratic Republicans. Jefferson's chief political rival was John Adams - who he defeated in the election of 1800 - and Adams led the Federalists against the Democratic Republicans.

The Federalists fought hard to protect the wealthy elite - succeeding in eliminating the direct election of US Senators by the people. While you can't compare them apples to apples - the Federalists are basically today's Republican Party - at least in their belief that society is best organized when there's a wealthy ruling elite at the top. Samuel Chase - who was appointed to the High Court in 1796 - proudly called himself a Federalists.

So Thomas Jefferson was already a little uneasy with Samuel Chase as a Supreme Court justice. And after Chase joined other Federalists on the Supreme Court to create judicial review in the 1803 Marbury v. Madison case that gave the court the power to strike down laws passed by both Congress and the President - making it the most powerful, and unaccountable, of the three branches of government - Jefferson's anger with the court - and Samuel Chase - only intensified.


I don't think this is going to happen. Other sources say that this is only done by the House of Representatives. If we want to impeach these guys, we must do the hard work of dislodging the GOP in the House. They have to make up the articles of impeachment for the Senate to hold a trial on, and vote to impeach.

We are barely hanging onto the Senate, and we don't have the House. These og on a wish list with Obama as POTUS to appoint better justices to replace these goons, with a majority in the House and Senate who want them impeached. Here is the WikiAnswer on the process:

Can a US Supreme Court justice be impeached and removed from office?

Under normal circumstances, a Supreme Court justice is awarded a lifetime commission.

A Supreme Court Justice may be impeached by the House of Representatives and removed from office if convicted in a Senate trial, but only for the same types of offenses that would trigger impeachment proceedings for any other government official under Articles I and II of the Constitution.

Article III, Section 1 states that judges of Article III courts shall hold their offices "during good behavior." "The phrase "good behavior" has been interpreted by the courts to equate to the same level of seriousness 'high crimes and misdemeanors" encompasses...


More at the link, just going with the 3 paragraphs as this is copyrighted now, as Answers. com bought the search results:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_a_US_Supreme_Court_justice_be_impeached_and_removed_from_office

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
23. Well, time marches on
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 01:31 AM
Aug 2012

and next month Scalia will be 76-1/2. He's grossly overweight and probably suffers from high blood pressure. I've thought for awhile he'll be the next one to go on the Court. And hoped it, too. Meanwhile, here's to your good health, Justice Ginsberg.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
24. Being seen as disagreeable and generally wrong is not impeachable...
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 02:08 AM
Aug 2012

or the other side would have long ago impeached justices we like.

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
25. Past time, but what's this article about.
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 06:21 AM
Aug 2012

We need to concentrate on winning the House and Senate, and first and foremost, the presidency.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
27. DU pie-in-the-sky
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 06:46 AM
Aug 2012

It's not that I wouldn't like to see it. It's not that it's not a good thing to dream about, but there is no way this is going to happen even if we here at DU focused on nothing but 24/7.

We've got elections to win and we better win them or we'll see more Scalia types and probably even worse.

salvorhardin

(9,995 posts)
30. People seem to think the title is my opinion
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 09:12 AM
Aug 2012

The title is just the title -- it's what the author of the post on HNN used. The reason I posted it is for the historical perspective on Scalia's constitutional originalism.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
35. I seriously doubt he could be impeached based on his judicial decisions
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:09 PM
Aug 2012

No matter how insane or damaging they are.
Once SCOTUS decides, it is the law. Period.

He would have to be found guilty of a high crime or misdemeanor, whatever the heck that means, in order to be impeached.

I don't think bad judicial decisions can be held to that standard unless they are shown to aid and abet an enemy.

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